Virile Mane - Hair anyone?
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dsade
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Yeah...thanks for posting that...thank you very much.
cld517
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dsade i believe i could do that photo edit for you..shouldnt be a problem..i'd just email them back to you for your approval and posting..i still ahve to have my girlfriend take the pics of me applying..just so busy..anyhow i'm gonna send you my private email so that you could send me your pics..HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
1HP
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LMFAO no offence dsade :toofunny:
But anyways the new groth is quite obvious to me. My new groth seemed to have halted for the last week/2 weeks or so but since a few days I've been applying a thicker layer of VM and seeing new growth again now. No clue ofcourse if it's phase dependant or because of applying thicker..
BuffaloBilly
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That is very strange, as I have seen the exact opposite. I have been on VM for 10 days and my scalp has never felt better and zero pimples on my scalp, which I would sometimes get when applying hairloss medications. Overall, like I said, much improved scalp health. My hair also looks more healthy.
Dsade, on a side note, I am applying VM all over my scalp including non-thinning areas. I would assume I would be ok with this? I'm shooting for thicker hair all over.
strategicmove
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dsade; said:
This is an important point that helps explain why different users starting Virile Mane at the same time and at the same daily application(s) will see results at different points in time.
Mr.50
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I was sitting there thinking about what differences there were in general between users besides just specific individual genetic differences.......so it made some sense but I needed DSADE to varify that this was a factor to be considered.
Mr.50
frangipani68
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Dsade,
Were those areas with the new growth slick bald before? It's hard to tell from your very first photo posted much earlier in the thread, because of the heavy flash and the distance. Also, I don't mean to be paranoid, but I just read one of the side effects of L-Dopa is hair loss. Is this an actual ingredient in VM because my bottle doesn't have it listed.
Thanks
Were those areas with the new growth slick bald before? It's hard to tell from your very first photo posted much earlier in the thread, because of the heavy flash and the distance. Also, I don't mean to be paranoid, but I just read one of the side effects of L-Dopa is hair loss. Is this an actual ingredient in VM because my bottle doesn't have it listed.
Thanks
dsade
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They were extremely patchy - with maybe 5-10 hairs in a square inch. It was also beginning to loop around to meet in the center, which would have left me with that ridiculous looking "horse tail" patch sticking right out the center.
the reactions seen for hair loss are for very high doses (usually parkinson's related treatments) combined with other more potent dopamine agonists (pergolide, etc.) The amount used in VM is very small, and is there as substrate for melanin formation as well as possibly offering slight amplification of the IGF-1 increase.
The initial labeled batch did not include the ingredient - and this was an oversight on my part which was remedied for subsequent labels as well as the finals.
dsade
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Should be fine, and I am actually very interested in your results in what you would consider non-balding areas.
One of the things we are shooting for with this product is a Maintenance type product, to optimize hair condition and thickness BEFORE any problems are apparent.
Utopian
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dsade, I like VM's concept in using ingredients which have been shown to work on humans rather that just in test tubes, rodents and monkeys. Was there a specific reason you didn't want to include Ketokonazole in VM? As far as I know it has shown regrowth properties in humans via anti-inflammatory and anti-androgenic activity.
Thanks,
Thanks,
BuffaloBilly
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My major problem is not slick bald areas or an area being thinner than other areas of my scalp. I have diffuse loss, more like hairloss that a woman would experience, throughout my entire scalp. My hair is very blonde, which also gives it a thinner look. That is why I am spreading it all over the scalp, as opposed to singling it out in just a few areas.
I am starting to enjoy the Java Lustre alot more too. I'm not sure if it is due to the fact that my hair is starting to look better overall. When I first started the Java Lustre shampoo it left my hair looking quite thin. However, it does not seem to be doing this anymore.
BuffaloBilly
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I think it would be best to use Keto in shampoo form, as opposed to leaving it on the scalp for an extended period of time imo. This is due to the """"potential"""" systematic impact it could have.
hadrion
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dsade --
I've actually noticed increased pimples along the hairline. Nowhere else on the scalp -- strictly hairline. I don't know if it's the VM alone though since I'm training a lot and I sweat a ton so it could simply be that.
The only reason why I thought the VM might have contributed to it was I use retin-a on my face and hadn't dealt with any pimples for quite some time so I thought it might have been an interaction of the VM with the retin-a.
dsade
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This.
As well, Keto is a gray area ingredient - which means that at any time a letter from the FDA will force immediate discontinuation of sales. We are not going to invest into a formula which can be forced off the market at any time due to prescription issues.
dsade
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It's possible that you aren't rubbing it in well enough.
I have checked with myself on several occasions and, unless I have been sweating profusely, there is no residue coming off of my scalp.
max silver
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I noticed something very similar when I started using VM. I keep my hair very short, and when I started I was using about 5 pea sized drops of virile mane to cover my scalp region. I too noticed that several hours later I could rub virile mane off of my scalp, whether it be the product rubbing off on my hands/fiancees hands, or onto a piece of toilet paper as you've noticed. I was rubbing the product in as thoroughly as I could, but I believe I was simply applying more virile mane than my scalp could absorb. I cut the amount down to more like 1 or 2 pea sized drops on the top of my head, and found that was enough to still cover my entire scalp, while finally allowing for the full amount of product to absorb.
vishnu10003
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I am also rubbing it in pretty vigorously and still end up with some oily residue later in the day..
Also been about 3 weeks and I can't notice any difference at all.... Hopefully there will be some progress before I finish this bottle..
Also been about 3 weeks and I can't notice any difference at all.... Hopefully there will be some progress before I finish this bottle..
rosariorose9
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^^^
I'm fairly new to this board (although 'well traveled' on other hairloss boards) and I I hope you give this product more than a month or two before evaluating its effectiveness (or lack thereof!). I know of no hairloss product which produces results in less than 3 months, and 6 months is a better barometer.
I'm fairly new to this board (although 'well traveled' on other hairloss boards) and I I hope you give this product more than a month or two before evaluating its effectiveness (or lack thereof!). I know of no hairloss product which produces results in less than 3 months, and 6 months is a better barometer.
JGank
Member
I feel the same way. I have been using VM for about a month. I don't plan on giving a review until the whole bottle is finished.
BuffaloBilly
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I agree. I think 6-12 months is an even better barometer.
kingin23
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im also getting a few pimples on around my hairline guess its normal? my skin is very sensative and oily so im guessing its the oil in the product cloging up my pores..thats my guess
strategicmove
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rammerman; said:
There is no single answer, in my opinion. A lot of it depends on state of scalp health and hair-follicle integrity (current phase of hair growth/loss), supplementation regime, genetics, and so on. See posts #995, #996, and #1007. Re-reading the product write-up may also be useful.
pimpjoe
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question
I guess this product hasnt been released yet... but lucky me got a bottle for xmass... i have been using as the bottle directs after a shower and before bed... because it Dosnt say to use it in the morning .. i dont...instead... in the morning i have bean using the mens rogain foam. should i continue doing this?
I guess this product hasnt been released yet... but lucky me got a bottle for xmass... i have been using as the bottle directs after a shower and before bed... because it Dosnt say to use it in the morning .. i dont...instead... in the morning i have bean using the mens rogain foam. should i continue doing this?
grove12345
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i dont recommend the foam. I heard alot of bad things about it. Like no regrowth just shedding. I know the foam makes your hair look good as opposed to the oily liquid. But the liquid is what seems to work. And use it 2x a day not once. i think only once wont get you anywhere.
i apply to stuff to my hairline. i notice thick hairs falling out. i guess im going to aim for the bald patchs. see the results with that. then if hair grows from a bald patch, apply it to all my hairline.
BIGJOHN812
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Ive been using VM for about 3 or 4 weeks now. I am applying only in the high temple area - I have the start of a receding hairline.
Both my wife and I have definitely noticed small, fine hairs growing in along those areas of the hairline. Some are blondish but some are the same color as my hair - brown.
Very excited about this so far!!
Two things:
- Ive noticed my regrowth on one side as opposed to the other. I apply the same on both sides - should I increase amount on the lagging side? or will it just take a while for everything to catch up?
- I have read good things about Primordial Performance Toco 8 - especially in regards to hairloss. Can I take this while using VM?
Thanks
Both my wife and I have definitely noticed small, fine hairs growing in along those areas of the hairline. Some are blondish but some are the same color as my hair - brown.
Very excited about this so far!!
Two things:
- Ive noticed my regrowth on one side as opposed to the other. I apply the same on both sides - should I increase amount on the lagging side? or will it just take a while for everything to catch up?
- I have read good things about Primordial Performance Toco 8 - especially in regards to hairloss. Can I take this while using VM?
Thanks
Mr.50
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Taking Toco 8 and Antioxidents with the VM is a great idea.
Incidentially I have noticed better regrowth on the right side of my head then the left so far......of course any regrowth is a good thing. I am going to go six months before really making any difinitive determination how well VM works for me.
Mr.50
scottyc33
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Hey dsade -
I ordered VM from NP when it first came out. Then I ordered a few more bottles from a different site when they had a huge sale on VM a couple of weeks ago.
In the first bottle, the VM was darkish brown and very, very thick.
The other day, I cracked open one of the newer bottles and the consistency and color was much different. It's more of a light brown / beige color and is much less thick than the first. I've been using this the past couple of days and like it much better.
Do you know what might've caused this and should I just scrap the first bottle?
I ordered VM from NP when it first came out. Then I ordered a few more bottles from a different site when they had a huge sale on VM a couple of weeks ago.
In the first bottle, the VM was darkish brown and very, very thick.
The other day, I cracked open one of the newer bottles and the consistency and color was much different. It's more of a light brown / beige color and is much less thick than the first. I've been using this the past couple of days and like it much better.
Do you know what might've caused this and should I just scrap the first bottle?
grove12345
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i would like to see some positive feedback on toco 8 users.
ihavent seen much though
it increase T. but lowers DHT? Does it increase possibilities of gyno, or baldness?
ihavent seen much though
it increase T. but lowers DHT? Does it increase possibilities of gyno, or baldness?
scottyc33
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i would like to see some positive feedback on toco 8 users.
ihavent seen much though
it increase T. but lowers DHT? Does it increase possibilities of gyno, or baldness?
Yeah, that whole claim that Toco 8 helps regrow hair is kind of weak. The study that the claim is based on had some weaknesses ie sample size was low. Also, they don't really give much of an explanantion of HOW it actually might help regrow hair.
I still take it though, because it is good for you in a myriad of ways and it isn't too cost prohibitive.
But, I've been taking it for about 3 months and haven't noticed anything with (positive or negative) with regard to my hair.
dsade
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I'll have an update soon ( I have another batch of around 12 hairs on each side coming in).
Nutra's sale has us running crazy trying to keep everything flowing and get the DCP restocked ASAP.
grove12345
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thanks for the post.
ya the sample size was like only 20 people? i
keep me updated. what about your skin or muscles
dsade
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Looks like 5000-6000iu is not out of the realm of ideal.
I have been timing my dosage to best correspond with when "natural man" would have had the most exposure to sun - between 10am and 2pm.
WittyName
Registered User
Brilliant. I must say RPN is an exceptionally innovative company. With ideas like this it is no wonder. BTW I bought 3 bottles of VM and have been using it for over three weeks. I enjoy it greatly. I am taking pics but will post them once I finish everything off.
P.S. Looking foward to Ecstacy Shots
P.S. Looking foward to Ecstacy Shots
scottyc33
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Yup.
I've read a lot about how the 400 IU 'daily recommended' allowance is grossly inadequate (particularly in the winter).
dsade
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Grossly is the exact word for it.
Think about how Man exists in nature - partially unclothed, or even completely unclothed, getting several hours of direct sun exposure per day.
There is a formula posted on another thread somewhere that estimates amount of Vit. D produced per square inch or exposed skin, but it comes out to WAY WAY more than the puny RDA.
I am also still mulling over actual signals that might be involved in hair growth. Much like a winter coat in animals, something in summertime triggers the start of rapid acceleration of hair growth rate. By the time Winter comes around, then, the head of hair will be long and thick - to prevent heat loss. I believe Vitamin D synthesis to be inextricably tied in to this signalling process - as well as heat/temperature sensing nerves increasing IGF-1 synthesis.
Effect of increasing temperature on TRPV1-mediated responses in isolated rat pulmonary sensory neurons
Dan Ni and Lu-Yuan Lee
Department of Physiology, University of Kentucky Medical Center, Lexington, Kentucky
Submitted 20 August 2007 ; accepted in final form 1 January 2008
Hyperthermia has been shown to sensitize vagal pulmonary C-fibers in anesthetized rats. However, it was not clear whether the effect was due to a direct action of hyperthermia on these sensory neurons. To answer this question, we carried out this study to determine the effect of increasing temperature on the responses to various chemical stimuli in isolated nodose and jugular ganglion neurons innervating the rat lungs. In the whole cell perforated patch-clamp study, when the temperature was increased from normal (~36°C) to hyperthermic (~40.6°C) level of the rat body temperature, the inward currents evoked by capsaicin, a selective activator of the transient receptor potential vanilloid type 1 (TRPV1), and 2-aminoethoxydiphenyl borate (2-APB), a nonselective activator of TRPV1–3 receptors, were both significantly increased. This potentiating effect was clearly present even at a moderate level of hyperthermia (~39°C). However, only the slow, sustained component of acid-evoked current mediated through the TRPV1 receptor was potentiated by hyperthermia, whereas the rapid, transient component was inhibited. In contrast, the currents evoked by adenosine 5'-triphosphate and acetylcholine, neither of which is known to activate the TRPV1 channel, did not increase when the same temperature elevation was applied. Furthermore, the hyperthermia-induced potentiation of the cell response to 2-APB was significantly attenuated by either capsazepine or AMG 9810, selective TRPV1 antagonists. In conclusion, increasing temperature within the physiological range exerts a potentiating effect on the response to TRPV1 activators in these neurons, which is probably mediated through a positive interaction between hyperthermia and these chemical activators at the TRPV1 channel.
crader
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Gasp is the vit D responsible for that fur pelt growing all over your body!! Hmmmm off to throw out the Vit D bottle!:lol:
dsade
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You can have my vitamin D when you pry it from my cold, dead, hairy hands.
Besides, didn't you say that the Atomic Meltdown is SLOWING your hair growth on your legs, etc.?
crader
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I got that from ONE session, to early to tell if it was the cause.