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THUNDERGOD ROLLS OUT A RECOMP..........REALLY!! (sponsored)

TimberLakers said:
Yeah, mentally... There's no way fatiguing your muscles helps you complete more reps. A warmup set is one thing...
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Yea, mentally. Whatever. 90% of lifting is mental. If you say you can do it, you'll probably do it. If you say you can't do something, you never will.

My 6th grade teacher had a rule that I follow to this day. It has stuck with me in my head my entire life. She made a rule that we were not allowed to say "I can't". We had to say "I can't yet".

You will never catch me saying I can't do something, because I can do anything. I might just not have figured out how to pull it off yet... but I will. :D

Hatebreed (I know I talk about these guys a lot... but they are like the soundtrack to my life right now) has a lyric that sticks with me as well.

"I must achieve Supremacy of Mind, Supremacy of Body, Supremacy of Spirit... Supremacy of Self."
 
I've utilized DC-Hybrids in the past, with great success in terms of strength but less than proportionate gains in mass, hardness and definition.

What people have to keep in mind about DC is this: It is onlya guideline, to be followed only insofar as it delivers results; the original creator has stated this many times, and variation-as-necessity is common knowledge to any trainer and/or advanced trainee. Often times people become fervent about strict-DC routines, while the creator himself would applaud people who modified it for their purposes!

Any and all successful routines must be pliable.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I've utilized DC-Hybrids in the past, with great success in terms of strength but less than proportionate gains in mass, hardness and definition.

What people have to keep in mind about DC is this: It is onlya guideline, to be followed only insofar as it delivers results; the original creator has stated this many times, and variation-as-necessity is common knowledge to any trainer and/or advanced trainee. Often times people become fervent about strict-DC routines, while the creator himself would applaud people who modified it for their purposes!

Any and all successful routines must be pliable.
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Good point. I have read a lot of interviews with Dante Trudel, and he seems to state what you are saying. Everybody's body is different, everyone needs their own routine. DC is a great way to shock your muscles and gain some strength, but it isn't the ONLY WAY like some DC followers make it out as. I mean, how many of the BIG 20 train DC? David Henry and who else?

*I'm not being sarcastic... I really can't think of any others... please feel free to fill me in.

Arnold never trained DC, and he was the best ever.
 
GMG760 said:
Yea, mentally. Whatever. 90% of lifting is mental. If you say you can do it, you'll probably do it. If you say you can't do something, you never will.

My 6th grade teacher had a rule that I follow to this day. It has stuck with me in my head my entire life. She made a rule that we were not allowed to say "I can't". We had to say "I can't yet".

You will never catch me saying I can't do something, because I can do anything. I might just not have figured out how to pull it off yet... but I will. :D

Hatebreed (I know I talk about these guys a lot... but they are like the soundtrack to my life right now) has a lyric that sticks with me as well.

"I must achieve Supremacy of Mind, Supremacy of Body, Supremacy of Spirit... Supremacy of Self."
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I will have to use the "I can't yet" speach on my kids. I want to choke them every time they say I can't to get out of work.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I've utilized DC-Hybrids in the past, with great success in terms of strength but less than proportionate gains in mass, hardness and definition.

What people have to keep in mind about DC is this: It is onlya guideline, to be followed only insofar as it delivers results; the original creator has stated this many times, and variation-as-necessity is common knowledge to any trainer and/or advanced trainee. Often times people become fervent about strict-DC routines, while the creator himself would applaud people who modified it for their purposes!

Any and all successful routines must be pliable.
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I feel if you do it correctly the way it is explained is the best method. imo You will put on mass and add strength faster!imo
 
hman85 said:
I feel if you do it correctly the way it is explained is the best method. imo You will put on mass and add strength faster!imo
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Let's also emphasize the importance of diet .. DC-style training [Dante-style or more of a hybrid like Thundas] can add strength, mass and definition; regardless, results are diet dependent.

.. and Texas, I'm surprised you'd believe it when someone said that DC-style training was for people on AAS primarily .. AAS doesn't ask for a certain written-in-stone training method; it'll work with anything. And DC-style training can work for anyone who's aware of its theories, training style, and who's got the guts to give it a go ..
 
vikinginc said:
Let's also emphasize the importance of diet .. DC-style training [Dante-style or more of a hybrid like Thundas] can add strength, mass and definition; regardless, results are diet dependent.

.. and Texas, I'm surprised you'd believe it when someone said that DC-style training was for people on AAS primarily .. AAS doesn't ask for a certain written-in-stone training method; it'll work with anything. And DC-style training can work for anyone who's aware of its theories, training style, and who's got the guts to give it a go ..
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Well I have used modified brief methods of it before. I have just read that it is among the top quality workouts to assist AAS in their job. I plan to start it back up this summer with possibly incorporating static holds as well. I have to read about it more...Im honestly not that familiar with it.
 
vikinginc said:
Let's also emphasize the importance of diet .. DC-style training [Dante-style or more of a hybrid like Thundas] can add strength, mass and definition; regardless, results are diet dependent.

.. and Texas, I'm surprised you'd believe it when someone said that DC-style training was for people on AAS primarily .. AAS doesn't ask for a certain written-in-stone training method; it'll work with anything. And DC-style training can work for anyone who's aware of its theories, training style, and who's got the guts to give it a go ..
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Just saying you have that down already then you will grow more. imo
 
Your 1st widowmaker set is greater than my 1RM. Wow.
 
thundergod said:
And I like the way you post, dragonfly!! Very entertaining and informative at the same time!
Please keep coming back here (and to all of my future threads) to share your input and encouragement. Please.
I need them both.
I know from reading your posts, that you are a true warrior. I sincerely hope that all true warriors will find something useful from my threads. Whether it be encouragemnt, support, help, or just raw motivation and inspiration. :thumbsup:

Thanks, my sister in steel!! :head:
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Rest assured I'll keep comin' TG, I felt like the laziest slob this morning, I hardly convinced myself to get out of bed ! Invalid Link Removed Distgusting !!!! Invalid Link Removed

Then I thought to myself, well, LAZYNESS, like anything else is JUST A STATE OF MIND. CHANGE IT !!!! :twisted:

So I did ;) ... And I gave it HELL !!! :clean:

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TimberLakers said:
Yeah, mentally... There's no way fatiguing your muscles helps you complete more reps. A warmup set is one thing...
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I really like this post Timber. You are a thinking man. You don't just blindly follow advice without analyzing the information.

What's even more noteworthy is you are a MMA fighter that decided to supplement his training with weights. And yet you are already smarter than about 80% of the bodybuilders I have met or known of.

There's no scientific way that doing a heavy ass set of 6 reps will cause you to lift more weight on a follow-up widowmaker type set after you have already taxed your muscles so severely.

The "logic" behind that heavy set before the widowmakers is that DC focuses mainly on strength gains. The heavy 6 rep set addresses that goal. The high rep widowmaker set is goaled towards hypertrophy. And they really do accomplish this goal.

Since my routine is admittedly only slightly DC influenced, I perform many more exercises, sets, and reps than advocated by the fanatical DC loyalists that abound on all boards.

They even get pissed if you're not following DC to a "T" like they do. Ridiculous!!
 
I've Lost My Fukking Mind!! And I Love It!!

I've got some kind of stomach virus or something. I just tossed up my breakfast of oatmeal and an orange. Once again, this mortal construct named Jeff, almost decided to cancel the workout even though I haven't missed a workout in over 16 months! But "the Real Me", the Thundergod made the decision to go into battle!!

I posted this video just weeks ago. WASP's version of the old Who song, "The Real Me". When I saw the deranged look in Blackie Lawless's eyes as he was singing, it spoke to me. I started growlin and screaming. And I sang along with crazy ass Blackie. The Real Me is dying to break out and show my power!!

Let's Do This!! :head:

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Hope you get well soon bro, I dont wanna see this virus hinder your progress in anyway, but something tells me death can be walking over you and you'd still kick his ass! lol
 
I see ya TG.. can't keep a good God down eh, ahahaa..

I know it's a different genre of music than you listen too, but your post reminded me of 'The Real Slim Shady' a little bit.. there's only one TG!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to thundergod again.
 
Sometimes a little edge going into your workout can go a long way...it does for me!! Now clean your sh*t up and get some!!
 
hman85 said:
I feel if you do it correctly the way it is explained is the best method. imo You will put on mass and add strength faster!imo
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I could see that. However, Dante has been on this very site explaining that the original way is nothing more than a simple guideline; he also explained that he altered that program for all of his trainees, as all programs must be personalized to be successful.

I am not saying this to you specifically, but I don't know how and/or why the myth became perpetuated that the routine need be followed to a 'T'.
 
I agree Mullet. It is just a template to build from.
 
thundergod said:
I really like this post Timber. You are a thinking man. You don't just blindly follow advice without analyzing the information.

What's even more noteworthy is you are a MMA fighter that decided to supplement his training with weights. And yet you are already smarter than about 80% of the bodybuilders I have met or known of.

There's no scientific way that doing a heavy ass set of 6 reps will cause you to lift more weight on a follow-up widowmaker type set after you have already taxed your muscles so severely.

The "logic" behind that heavy set before the widowmakers is that DC focuses mainly on strength gains. The heavy 6 rep set addresses that goal. The high rep widowmaker set is goaled towards hypertrophy. And they really do accomplish this goal.

Since my routine is admittedly only slightly DC influenced, I perform many more exercises, sets, and reps than advocated by the fantical DC loyalists that abound on all boards.

They even get pissed if you're not following DC to a "T" like they do. Ridiculous!!
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Respect TG. :thumbsup:

I'd rep you if I could, but I'm just going to eat a few candy corn in your honor and go destroy my back.
 
Wow brother, you still trained and your not feeling great, if thats not dedication then the word has lost its meaning, great to see.
Keep it up bruddy, and thanmks for your advice, im going to put it into action, and try to work on strength first, but not on my bench press, im going to give my joints some rest time, after my recent press.
Take care and look after your other half and daughter as always you do, best regards Russian
 
thundergod said:
I really like this post Timber. You are a thinking man. You don't just blindly follow advice without analyzing the information.

What's even more noteworthy is you are a MMA fighter that decided to supplement his training with weights. And yet you are already smarter than about 80% of the bodybuilders I have met or known of.

There's no scientific way that doing a heavy ass set of 6 reps will cause you to lift more weight on a follow-up widowmaker type set after you have already taxed your muscles so severely.

The "logic" behind that heavy set before the widowmakers is that DC focuses mainly on strength gains. The heavy 6 rep set addresses that goal. The high rep widowmaker set is goaled towards hypertrophy. And they really do accomplish this goal.

Since my routine is admittedly only slightly DC influenced, I perform many more exercises, sets, and reps than advocated by the fantical DC loyalists that abound on all boards.

They even get pissed if you're not following DC to a "T" like they do. Ridiculous!!
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couldnt agree more!
 
.. OK, this might have been mentioned, so forgive me if so ..

Whenever I do widowmakers, I perform 4 sets of squats to failure prior to them .. 4-8 reps [failure] with 365 lbs on squats .. Then complete my barbell squats with a final widowmaker @ 225 for 20 reps. Is this the correct way to perform a widowmaker ? The sets leading up to it are literally to failure ..

.. $hit, ALL working sets I do are to failure; I'm starting to wonder whether that is the way to train or not !
 
vikinginc said:
.. OK, this might have been mentioned, so forgive me if so ..

Whenever I do widowmakers, I perform 4 sets of squats to failure prior to them .. 4-8 reps [failure] with 365 lbs on squats .. Then complete my barbell squats with a final widowmaker @ 225 for 20 reps. Is this the correct way to perform a widowmaker ? The sets leading up to it are literally to failure ..

.. $hit, ALL working sets I do are to failure; I'm starting to wonder whether that is the way to train or not !
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Depends.. I take every set to failure currently. In the DC methodology, sets are reduced and you do want to take every working set to failure.

But there are strength/hypertrophy routines where you most definitely do not want to take every set to failure, as this can be counterproductive.

Your current routine is working for you bro. I would not lose sleep trying to question your own methods..
 
That's pretty extreme Viking!! Usually you warm up to one all out heavy set of 6 - 8, rest 2- 3 minutes and then pound out the widow. From what I've heard on here about you being a mass monster though....it is obviously doin' it big for you. :~)
 
snagency said:
Depends.. I take every set to failure currently. In the DC methodology, sets are reduced and you do want to take every working set to failure.

But there are strength/hypertrophy routines where you most definitely do not want to take every set to failure, as this can be counterproductive.

Your current routine is working for you bro. I would not lose sleep trying to question your own methods..
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good advice! :bb3:
 
snagency said:
Depends.. I take every set to failure currently. In the DC methodology, sets are reduced and you do want to take every working set to failure.

But there are strength/hypertrophy routines where you most definitely do not want to take every set to failure, as this can be counterproductive.

Your current routine is working for you bro. I would not lose sleep trying to question your own methods..
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To be honest, I think my going to total failure all the time is what has set me back a little .. not literally a 'set-back,' but I stalled at a bodyweight of 230 lbs for a year. That doesn't sound right to me; I believe I have (over all) used too much volume and going to failure a little too much the past year; every workout I try to exceed my previous bests ..

.. As for NOW, I feel like I've got a good routine going, but if you checked out my logs and numbers, I used a helluva lot of volume, sets and went to failure on each and every set. As in 2-3 out of 6 exercises, I had my brother help me push up under my elbox, fx, do get that final failure repetition .. Hmm .. :think:
 
That does sound like you might need to do a kind of cruise period and then come back in rested and strong.
 
vikinginc said:
To be honest, I think my going to total failure all the time is what has set me back a little .. not literally a 'set-back,' but I stalled at a bodyweight of 230 lbs for a year. That doesn't sound right to me; I believe I have (over all) used too much volume and going to failure a little too much the past year; every workout I try to exceed my previous bests ..

.. As for NOW, I feel like I've got a good routine going, but if you checked out my logs and numbers, I used a helluva lot of volume, sets and went to failure on each and every set. As in 2-3 out of 6 exercises, I had my brother help me push up under my elbox, fx, do get that final failure repetition .. Hmm .. :think:
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Well, at that point then I would agree that you done overdid it dude. You can't continually make gains on any program repetitvely like that. I think your current style of training suits you best in the cut/hypertrophy mode, which is currently your goal right? Maybe plan down the road for a serious change in philosohy to refreshen the body & soul, and concentrate on power for awhile..
 
AZMIDLYF said:
That does sound like you might need to do a kind of cruise period and then come back in rested and strong.
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I'm kind of thinking the same thing; keep one or two core exercises each workout to working failure; and for the additional exercises, merely pick a rep range, and stick to it without hitting failure.
 
snagency said:
Well, at that point then I would agree that you done overdid it dude. You can't continually make gains on any program repetitvely like that. I think your current style of training suits you best in the cut/hypertrophy mode, which is currently your goal right? Maybe plan down the road for a serious change in philosohy to refreshen the body & soul, and concentrate on power for awhile..
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Exactly right; I've misunderstood .. or rather, not respected the body's inability to respond to that kind of continuous torment.

.. change is inevitable, and I will begin one step at a time starting tonight.
 
Isn't the 5x5 method something like this? I have not really researched that one much.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Isn't the 5x5 method something like this? I have not really researched that one much.
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The 5X5 programs I've seen are performed, I believe, three times a week, and you choose three major CORE exercises on each of these days; f.x, 5X5 sets of Bench Press, Deadlifts, Squats on the same day. And repeat workouts on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

.. does this sound familiar to what you thought of ?
 
vikinginc said:
The 5X5 programs I've seen are performed, I believe, three times a week, and you choose three major CORE exercises on each of these days; f.x, 5X5 sets of Bench Press, Deadlifts, Squats on the same day. And repeat workouts on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

.. does this sound familiar to what you thought of ?
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thats how I ran my version on it. and on day a week you drop down to sets of 3 & 8 reps if i remember right.
 
Yes but, do you do 5 sets of 5 reps for each and not to failure?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Yes but, do you do 5 sets of 5 reps for each and not to failure?
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That is correct. You choose a weight that's challenging, that makes it difficult to get that last rep on the last set. The big parameter here is you complete a block, then move the weights up next time..
 
snagency said:
That is correct. You choose a weight that's challenging, that makes it difficult to get that last rep on the last set. The big parameter here is you complete a block, then move the weights up next time..
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Thanks for confirming/verifying !

.. so with your current training style, Snag, do you work to failure each set, due to it being a Hybrid-DC style training ?! .. your bench press session the other day looked to be failure each set around.
 
vikinginc said:
Thanks for confirming/verifying !

.. so with your current training style, Snag, do you work to failure each set, due to it being a Hybrid-DC style training ?! .. your bench press session the other day looked to be failure each set around.
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Yes, all the main lifts (bench, squat, rows) get repped to failure each set in this portion of the week. The following 3 days in the routine it's more of the 5x5 mentality (i.e. straight-sets where the importance is completing all prescribed reps in every set, rather than going all out to failure every set).
 
Thanks Snag. I think I will be looking into the 5x5 and going to it soon after this last DC blast. I need some thing new as well. Like the Viking I have been stuck at 215 for awhile.
 
No prob bro. There are so many different ways to train, things can start getting blurred..
I know EDT (escalating density) is becoming more & more popular, and Charles Staley certainly has a following. I read his book on EDT, the methodology doesn't quite grab me, but maybe you guys would like to check it out, here's an overview..

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Good to see this dialogue here... TG has the most informative thread yet again - and not only because he is a maniac - but because this is where all the talent mingles... :lol: I love it.

Anyway, I've never even thought about NOT going to failure on particular heavy sets... I usually restrict my lighter sets from failure to save some juice for the heavy sets, but I almost always have a failure portion at the end (for major lifts anyway)... I guess my "cruise" periods are built into vacations for the most part when I go somewhere without a gym. Usually take 3 whole days off in a row to relax and rejuvenate - but those are probably too few and far between these days.
 
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