How to "pulse" orals

^i'm testing the t-bol right now. I started yesterday 2,2,2. I'm not looking to start my epi cycle until February.

So the atd would take the place of the test booster or in addition to? I need to go research atd.

I'll let you know how the T-Bol works out.

Edit: I just did a search for atd and it came up with nothing? What key word can I use?
 
pacos said:
^i'm testing the t-bol right now. I started yesterday 2,2,2. I'm not looking to start my epi cycle until February.

So the atd would take the place of the test booster or in addition to? I need to go research atd.

I'll let you know how the T-Bol works out.

Edit: I just did a search for atd and it came up with nothing? What key word can I use?
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I did atd on off days with test booster throughout. Use the search function at the top of the page, a lot of info comes up.
Again I made a transdermal atd (I love td applications) seemed to work fantastic at a lower dose. Leans you out and doesn't seem to cause the libido problems some face.
 
^thanks for the search tip...i was using the wrong search function. researching now.


Ok...I think I understand the purpose behing taking an atd. I've come across some conflicting opinions on whether to take it in pct....but I see it in most pct's that i've come across.

I'm thinking about getting an epi stack that is sold in the store by IBE. It has the epi, cycle and post cycle support. So....

Light Pulse of:

10/10/10(all taken early morning)
20/20/20
20/20/20
30/30/30
40/40/40

On
Cycle support-Every day
Test Booster(T-Bol possibly..on off days)
ATD(on off days)

OFF
Either Post Cycle Support by IBE or stack from Primordial Perf
If i go with the later I will use the Toco-8 during and post cycle.
If I go with the former, I will still get the Sustain Alpha using it 5 days on 2 off.

Am I getting any closer?
 
pacos said:
^thanks for the search tip...i was using the wrong search function. researching now.


Ok...I think I understand the purpose behing taking an atd. I've come across some conflicting opinions on whether to take it in pct....but I see it in most pct's that i've come across.

I'm thinking about getting an epi stack that is sold in the store by IBE. It has the epi, cycle and post cycle support. So....

Light Pulse of:

10/10/10(all taken early morning)
20/20/20
20/20/20
30/30/30
40/40/40

On
Cycle support-Every day
Test Booster(T-Bol possibly..on off days)
ATD(on off days)

OFF
Either Post Cycle Support by IBE or stack from Primordial Perf
If i go with the later I will use the Toco-8 during and post cycle.
If I go with the former, I will still get the Sustain Alpha using it 5 days on 2 off.

Am I getting any closer?
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I would personally use the cycle support with either and save your sustain and toco 8 for a straight cycle or heavier pulse. I think a full pct with pcs will be plenty for this pulse.
 
Ok, so (in your opinion of course) I should be okay with the IBE stack(epi, cycle and post cycle support)and ATD and test boosters?
 
Would the same be true on someone much bigger than I am. I'm around 170...my workout partner is 215. I'm assuming he would take a higher ep dose...but would the rest of the info hold true for him?
 
pacos said:
Would the same be true on someone much bigger than I am. I'm around 170...my workout partner is 215. I'm assuming he would take a higher ep dose...but would the rest of the info hold true for him?
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Yes, i would just up the amount of EPI he would take and a slightly higher atd (25 mg) on off days. I think 15-20 would be great for a guy your size.
 
Ok so....

ON
Epi eod. Test boosters on off days. Cycle support.

OFF
Post Cycle support every day and ATD every day?
 
Hello everyone, I apologise for taking so long to reply to previous responses. just to keep an update I looked into 1-t transdermal and it is designed to be put into the body slowly and therefore I presume would be unsuitable for a pulse. However I am still intrigues as to using 1-test for a pulse and found 1-Androsterone I am going to do some research on this product to check its like and such but does anyone have any idea how harsh it is on shutdown or adrogenic sides?

edit: ive also had a look at 4-ad and that also looks promising, anyone got any recommendations for either? im guessing it would be far to harsh for a pulse to stack them?
 
bassgod272 said:
Dude, read the damn thread. First few posts will answer your questions. RESEARCH. :frustrate
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I did research before ever posting. I posted a possible cycle. runner said to use the atd on off days and Delita said to wait until my cycle was over. I was just trying to get clarification. If you can show me where I missed the answer to this question within the first few posts, I'll gladly re-read it.
 
Mr Barlow said:
Hello everyone, I apologise for taking so long to reply to previous responses. just to keep an update I looked into 1-t transdermal and it is designed to be put into the body slowly and therefore I presume would be unsuitable for a pulse. However I am still intrigues as to using 1-test for a pulse and found 1-Androsterone I am going to do some research on this product to check its like and such but does anyone have any idea how harsh it is on shutdown or adrogenic sides?

edit: ive also had a look at 4-ad and that also looks promising, anyone got any recommendations for either? im guessing it would be far to harsh for a pulse to stack them?
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It doesnt absorb as slow as you think. IMO a guy could use it for an effective pulse at eod.
 
pacos said:
I did research before ever posting. I posted a possible cycle. runner said to use the atd on off days and Delita said to wait until my cycle was over. I was just trying to get clarification. If you can show me where I missed the answer to this question withing the first few posts, I'll gladly re-read it.
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Just do a low dose atd on off days. You won't regret it.
 
pacos said:
I did research before ever posting. I posted a possible cycle. runner said to use the atd on off days and Delita said to wait until my cycle was over. I was just trying to get clarification. If you can show me where I missed the answer to this question within the first few posts, I'll gladly re-read it.
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This one comes down to personal opinion and your body. I say no though the only thing you will need on off days is a testbooster. Atd i pretty strong imo. And you need some estro. i would leave it out if it was me. The only time you might need it is in pct!
 
Thanks for the info runner and hman. Since I'm doing such a light cycle, and it's my first time out, I may leave this out or just run it as part of my pct. I appreciate everyone's input!!
 
I'm currently doing a Havoc (Epistane) pulse. All I'm using with it is Stoked (Every Day) and Super Cissus RX (For My Joints). So far, so good!
 
bassgod272 said:
Try 5mg for 2 weeks or if you really want to experiment, play it safe, and try to avoid complete shutdown, try 2.5mg for 2 weeks. Seems low, but 10mg cycled regularly for 2 days will shut you down completely.
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Agreed. I don't suspect you could successfully pulse 10mg, it would almost certainly have to be a lower dose and max of 3x/wk.
 
pacos said:
Ok, so I need SERM and something else to help reduce the estrogen levels?
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If you go with Epi, it's a SERM in and of itself, so Epi could be viewed as a smart choice for a clean, simple and relatively fool proof first pulse.
 
TOYFORDOLET said:
You guys have any input about running phera for 2 weeks? I have a bunch and want to use some, but I don't really want to run a typical cycle. It seems that some see nice gains in the 2 week timeframe and others see nothing til after 2 weeks. I know this isn't a typical pulse, but this seems like an appropriate thread.
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Yes, in general I don't think PP should really be used for longer than 3-4 wks anyway, so 2wks might be a good trial for this, straight or pulse. However, like others have noted, PP doesn't usually offer the same intrinsic advantages and results as a lot of other compounds when pulsing.
 
Mu5tang69 said:
... how did that M1T pulse work out for you? ...
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I didn't make notes of it, and I guess it's been about 4 years now since I experimented with that compound so I really can't answer your specifics. As best I recall though, I was never able to avoid suppression with 10mg doses, though I never attempted to pulse it. After 2-3 days, a punctuated shutdown would manifest, one of the worst you can get. Several times I still tortured myself by continuing the cycle but after a few weeks I'd always have to quit due to side effects. Symptoms were suggestive of possible agranulocytosis. I do see some potential in your once a week approach, but I honestly suggest that you guys stay away from this compound. Not only can it be excessively toxic, it's probably very tricky to pulse also.

Another point of consideration is that it was once legal and widely commercially available, but now classified as a controlled substance. That makes it just too much of a liability to mess with IMO. It looks like you can find lots of 'anti-aging' clinics these days with legitimate MDs who will prescribe you hormones if you qualify, plus there are still many excellent OTC supplement choices with much less likelihood of toxicity that have not been banned.

Be wise my friend! :thumbsup:
 
DR.D said:
I didn't make notes of it, and I guess it's been about 4 years now since I experimented with that compound so I really can't answer your specifics. As best I recall though, I was never able to avoid suppression with 10mg doses, though I never attempted to pulse it. After 2-3 days, a punctuated shutdown would manifest, one of the worst you can get. Several times I still tortured myself by continuing the cycle but after a few weeks I'd always have to quit due to side effects. Symptoms were suggestive of possible agranulocytosis. I do see some potential in your once a week approach, but I honestly suggest that you guys stay away from this compound. Not only can it be excessively toxic, it's probably very tricky to pulse also.

Another point of consideration is that it was once legal and widely commercially available, but now classified as a controlled substance. That makes it just too much of a liability to mess with IMO. It looks like you can find lots of 'anti-aging' clinics these days with legitimate MDs who will prescribe you hormones if you qualify, plus there are still many excellent OTC supplement choices with much less likelihood of toxicity that have not been banned.

Be wise my friend! :thumbsup:
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THANKS ALOT!!!:)
 
hman85 said:
This one comes down to personal opinion and your body. I say no though the only thing you will need on off days is a testbooster. Atd i pretty strong imo. And you need some estro. i would leave it out if it was me. The only time you might need it is in pct!
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I agree, it is a pretty strong compound.

Just to elaborate though, ATD is actually a pretty average strength AI from the studies and bloodwork I've seen, and appears to do most of it's work through a centrally mediated anti-androgenic pathway. It can boost test impressively well nonetheless, but it will certainly complement very androgenic compounds the best. It is best used strategically rather than a general purpose AI, though it certainly is an AI.
 
pacos said:
I'm going to post this...even though it has been covered by Delita on a previous post. The reason is...I don't think i will be able to get a SERM from my md. (also has been posted in the 35+ section..but replies)

I'm suffering from info overload after three days of reading review after review and opinion after opinion.

I am starting my research on a possible epistane pulse cycle. I have read the Results from Pulsing thread as well as the No excuses thread regarding SERMs.

I have found a stack by IBE..I'm sure you know the one. comes with the ep, cycle support, and post cycle support. I emailed customer service and they said that this stack is really all I need.

My question is...if I end up deciding to try my first ph cycle...would this stack cover all my bases, or would I NEED some others? SERM, I know is recommended, but I'm not sure if my doctor will rx. If one is needed, can I get some OTC suggestions?

Simple would be nice. I'm not looking for huge gains or a miracle...I would like to lean up and maybe in the process gain a few. I'm 35, 5'6, 167-170 lbs, not sure of my bf%.

Thanks for any help and/or guidance!

Jesse
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The question is: Is it worth the risk?

If it is worth the risk, then buy the stack. I'm currently running Havoc and Stoked without a SERM.
 
You have convinced me to try the pulsing technique but im not quite sure what pro hormone to use. Im looking for a clean bulk with the best strength gains possible. Im 6' 1" and weigh 215. This will be my first pro hormone as well. Plus i have a slight case of gyno that ive had since puberty. Its just small bumps with slight puffiness. I work out M-F so ill pulse on MWF. Also what natural test booster, AI should i take with it? I have read many pages of this thread and can not find the same situation as mine (i kinda figured it would be different)
 
DEnd55 said:
You have convinced me to try the pulsing technique but im not quite sure what pro hormone to use. Im looking for a clean bulk with the best strength gains possible. Im 6' 1" and weigh 215. This will be my first pro hormone as well. Plus i have a slight case of gyno that ive had since puberty. Its just small bumps with slight puffiness. I work out M-F so ill pulse on MWF. Also what natural test booster, AI should i take with it? I have read many pages of this thread and can not find the same situation as mine (i kinda figured it would be different)
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Pulse Epi...clean bulk and good strength.
I would run 40mg at your size.

Test Boosters...MassFX, Activate Extreme, Diesel Test Hardcore, etc
AI...I like 6-oxo, Formestane, and 6-Bromo.
 
Unmethylated pulse

DR.D said:
Yes Sir, it's my pleasure to help if I can. I love to see my brothers in iron making gains and staying healthy!
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Dr D

After my earlier sucess im looking at a pulse in Feb 09

I'm thinking of a (liver friendly if there is such a thing) un-methylated pulse i.e T-Roid (Finigex)
Chemical: 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione 30 mg

What do you personally think of the compound? Are there any better unmethylated compounds you can think of? Any particular additions to the normal ancillaries?

Further what do you think of mixing the pulse up: say alternate one compound with another say Epi/SD/PP Which of these three compounds would you recommend?

Mon Fin 30mg
Weds Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)
Friday Fin 30mg

Mon Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)
Weds Fin 30mg
Friday Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)

Thanks for your time in this...
 
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Savantee said:
Dr D

After my earlier sucess im looking at a pulse in Feb 09

I'm thinking of a (liver friendly if there is such a thing) un-methylated pulse i.e T-Roid (Finigex)
Chemical: 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene 3,17 dione 30 mg

What do you personally think of the compound? Are there any better unmethylated compounds you can think of? Any particular additions to the normal ancillaries?

Further what do you think of mixing the pulse up: say alternate one compound with another say Epi/SD/PP Which of these three compounds would you recommend?

Mon Fin 30mg
Weds Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)
Friday Fin 30mg

Mon Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)
Weds Fin 30mg
Friday Epi/SD/PP (one compound at 20)

Thanks for your time in this...
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Tren isn't good for pulsing imo. superdrol is the best. imo Epi is good to but you have to dose higher and it ends up being more expensive. Superdrol was made for pulsing and it works great!
 
hman85 said:
Tren isn't good for pulsing imo. superdrol is the best. imo Epi is good to but you have to dose higher and it ends up being more expensive. Superdrol was made for pulsing and it works great!
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hman85 Ive been there done that 8 weeks great pulse cycle. I was just looking for Ds thoughts on unmethylated option...
 
hman85 said:
I know what he is going to say but let him chime in
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Hman I have read quite a lot and although not an expert have worked out who you can take seriously. This guy xtraflossy sounds proficient.

I should say that I'm over 200 pounds and not looking to blow up I would like to strengthen harden and lose a little fat.

xtraflossy quoted in Get It While You Still Can

"Pulsing this with Epi is a GREAT idea. I dosed 60mg pre-workout and after the first week, I started getting nice strength gains (and cutting up a little).
I added 40mg Epi on leg and back day for the extra recovery".

"I got sick (working in a hospital) and had to stop 2 weeks ago, but am getting back into it 60mg, ed (not quite a pulse, but I didnt notice any signs of shut down in a week n a half. Its non methyl so shorter half life..

Then I added the epi 2 times a week.

The t-roid, I took 3 days on (pre workout), one day off.
I'm finding a new appreciation for the compound.. I knew anabolicly, it wasn't the best, but the strength gains have their own value, and for me, thats what I needed to put on weight".
 
Savantee said:
Hman I have read quite a lot and although not an expert have worked out who you can take seriously. This guy xtraflossy sounds proficient.

I should say that I'm over 200 pounds and not looking to blow up I would like to strengthen harden and lose a little fat.

xtraflossy quoted in Get It While You Still Can

"Pulsing this with Epi is a GREAT idea. I dosed 60mg pre-workout and after the first week, I started getting nice strength gains (and cutting up a little).
I added 40mg Epi on leg and back day for the extra recovery".

"I got sick (working in a hospital) and had to stop 2 weeks ago, but am getting back into it 60mg, ed (not quite a pulse, but I didnt notice any signs of shut down in a week n a half. Its non methyl so shorter half life..

Then I added the epi 2 times a week.

The t-roid, I took 3 days on (pre workout), one day off.
I'm finding a new appreciation for the compound.. I knew anabolicly, it wasn't the best, but the strength gains have their own value, and for me, thats what I needed to put on weight".
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Chill out man just trying to help out. I have used trenadrol in a pulse and it isn't worth it. imo In a regular cycle it is great though. you will get some gains with it pulsing, but the strength you get from running it straight is amazing. Sometimes you just have to experiment yourself and find what works well for you. I think it would be better to run the nonmethyl(tren) straight through and pulse the epi if thats what you want to do. The tren doesn't shut you down much and you can get the added anabolic effect of the epi. But if all you are trying to do is get strength and harden up a little then using multiple compounds probably isn't the best idea. just a thought
 
hman85 said:
Chill out man just trying to help out. I have used trenadrol in a pulse and it isn't worth it. imo In a regular cycle it is great though. you will get some gains with it pulsing, but the strength you get from running it straight is amazing. Sometimes you just have to experiment yourself and find what works well for you. I think it would be better to run the nonmethyl(tren) straight through and pulse the epi if thats what you want to do. The tren doesn't shut you down much and you can get the added anabolic effect of the epi. But if all you are trying to do is get strength and harden up a little then using multiple compounds probably isn't the best idea. just a thought
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Hey, sorry if I came over hot......rushing that's all.:thumbsup: Thanks for the advice. I think I will run the nonmethyl as a pulse in the hope that the extra strength leads to a more mature muscle rather than a pumped up look that subsides as soon as cycle stops.

I may as I mused alternate the pulse with Epi and see how that goes...mot rushing and will go with this in feb 09. I will of course give you all some feedback.

Lastly seasons greeting my good man and thanks again for the advice..
 
Savantee said:
Dr D

After my earlier sucess im looking at a pulse in Feb 09...
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30mg of Fini always seemed like a very unrealistically low dose to me for a non-methyl, 17-keto nor derivative. 19-Nordione for example never did a thing for me even at ~800mg doses. However, I will say that I've heard a ton of positive feedback from other guys. This is one of the few compounds I never tried, so I have no first hand experience with it.

As for non-methyls in general, they need to be taken a bit differently to have high efficiency. Instead of taking the bigger dose pre-w/o, take it post-w/o. That's the simply answer to that question (hman could have told you, lol) :)

If you're trying to use up left overs, you can mix and match and still make it work. If you find Fini to be androgenic, SD might be best, but if it hurts libido like nors can, I'd go with Epi or PP instead. I'm not crazy about PP though, too many sides and not that great on a pulse.
 
T H E O R E M said:
So for a SD pulse using M-drol what protocol would be the optimal?

SD for 6-8 weeks at: 20-30mg
hyperdrol everyday: 1-2 caps? or EOD at 2 caps?
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If you have no prior experience with a supplement, start with the lower dose that you're considering. You can always work your way up if you find it to be insufficient.

1 HD every night (or morning) would be a good start. You can modify from there, maybe 2 on off nights, or whatever. You should experiment conservatively to see what works for YOU. 9 times out of 10, you'll finish with a different system from how you started (if you're a little OCD like some accuse me), but you gotta start somewhere.
 
DR.D said:
If you have no prior experience with a supplement, start with the lower dose that you're considering. You can always work your way up if you find it to be insufficient.

1 HD every night (or morning) would be a good start. You can modify from there, maybe 2 on off nights, or whatever. You should experiment conservatively to see what works for YOU. 9 times out of 10, you'll finish with a different system from how you started (if you're a little OCD like some accuse me), but you gotta start somewhere.
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ive got about 5 cycles under my belt including 2 pulses with epi, oddly enough i was getting some ODD sides with it, muscle spasms daily, unsure why...electrolyte imbalance? then it takes weeks after discontinuing to go away... so anyway i am hoping a different compound will serve me better. otherwise i love epi

ill start off dosing the Hyperdrol 2 on off nights for now.
THANKS brother!
 
Yeah, many time if I increase potassium slightly weird muscle stuff goes away. Need more in the summer it seems. And most of all, stay hydrated!
 
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