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Emerge said:
Volc, what's your opinion on this:

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Subjective to knee function and leg extremities. I like beyond parallel, but I'm not a purest on @$$ to grass. Some people have such long legs that an @$$ to grass position places their torso too far tilted forward, and they have to overcome a good-mornings exercises while attempting to squat. If you have shorter legs and can maintain a straight torso, then @$$ to grass; greater range of motion, activates other muscles such as glutes and hips in a deeper fashion, the further down you travel, the greater force is required to reverse that negative momentum, which has enormous implications on muscle force, requires greater core contraction the further down you go, as it requires greater stability and balance....etc., I could go on. However, as mentioned before, I'm no purest. I think there are plenty of situations where parallel will suffice, much has to do with knee conditions, lumbar conditions and again, leg and torso extremities. When an @$$ to grass turns into a good-mornings/squat, then I'm for parallel. If you can go @$$ to grass without a diminished performance due to awkward body positioning, then @$$ to grass holds many more benefits then parallel.
 
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VolcomX311 said:
Subjective to knee function and leg extremities. I like beyond parallel, but I'm not a purest on @$$ to grass. Some people have such long legs that an @$$ to grass position places their torso too far tiled forward, and they have to overcome a good-mornings exercises while attempting to squat. If you have shorter legs and can maintain a straight torso, then @$$ to grass; greater range of motion, activates other muscles such as glutes and hips in a deeper fashion, the further down you travel, the greater force is required to reverse that negative momentum, which has enormous implications on muscle force, requires greater core contraction the further down you go, as it requires greater stability and balance....etc., I could go on. However, as mentioned before, I'm no purest. I think there are plenty of situations where parallel will suffice, much has to do with knee conditions, lumbar conditions and again, leg and torso extremities. When an @$$ to grass turns into a good-mornings/squat, then I'm for parallel. If you can go @$$ to grass without a diminished performance due to awkward body positioning, then @$$ to grass holds many more benefits then parallel.
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I personaly find atg squats very difficult as my legs are long in proportion to my body, so i fully agree with you.

Here is a link by the way to my new log, hope to see you there soon bro.

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VolcomX311 said:
Subjective to knee function and leg extremities. I like beyond parallel, but I'm not a purest on @$$ to grass. Some people have such long legs that an @$$ to grass position places their torso too far tilted forward, and they have to overcome a good-mornings exercises while attempting to squat. If you have shorter legs and can maintain a straight torso, then @$$ to grass; greater range of motion, activates other muscles such as glutes and hips in a deeper fashion, the further down you travel, the greater force is required to reverse that negative momentum, which has enormous implications on muscle force, requires greater core contraction the further down you go, as it requires greater stability and balance....etc., I could go on. However, as mentioned before, I'm no purest. I think there are plenty of situations where parallel will suffice, much has to do with knee conditions, lumbar conditions and again, leg and torso extremities. When an @$$ to grass turns into a good-mornings/squat, then I'm for parallel. If you can go @$$ to grass without a diminished performance due to awkward body positioning, then @$$ to grass holds many more benefits then parallel.
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Amen to that, brother !

.. I do rock-bottom squats, always beyond parallel, and with my long, skinny legs, I find that on the bottom of the movement, regardless, I'm overly arched as if I'm doing a static hold with a good morning @ about 45-70 degrees, depending on the weight on the bar. But still, i could never allow myself NOT to go beyond parallel. Anything less, and you're missing out on a vital portion of the lift, imho.
 
vikinginc said:
Amen to that, brother !

.. I do rock-bottom squats, always beyond parallel, and with my long, skinny legs, I find that on the bottom of the movement, regardless, I'm overly arched as if I'm doing a static hold with a good morning @ about 45-70 degrees, depending on the weight on the bar. But still, i could never allow myself NOT to go beyond parallel. Anything less, and you're missing out on a vital portion of the lift, imho.
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I've moved away from going too far past parallel. I'd hear older guys telling me how it was bad for the tendons and all that, and I shrugged it off, but as I started to lift heavier weight, I really noticed my legs kinda getting messed up. I tend to get JUST below parallel, hold it there for a second, and then squeeze myself out of the bucket with controlled force.

I really, really don't want any knee issues. Me ma has them pretty bad, as does her mother.
 
Emerge said:
Make em take osteo sport!
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.. or just straight up cissus that everyone is thoroughly aware of.



Selling much AN lately ?! .. asking as you're under the impression that 'Osteo-Sport will sell itself' even without saying what it's done for you . .
 
VolcomX311 said:
I've never tried anything bone wise apart from Glucosamine Chondroitin.
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I did the Gluco/MSM combo . . but not much to notice. It's so gradual that the pain fades over weeks and weeks. .

Cissus, on the other hand, or more specifially, PALs Incarnate, healed aches and pain in elbows and shoulder joint within a weeks time (10 days +/-, as I don't want to come across as a PAL rep and start some USPlabs-Prime-drama]. I felt safe on it, knowing my joints and tendons were safe.

I'm currently on Blue Gene, and I must admit I'm disappointed in the joint-health department of the product. I've got a right shoulder joint that's killing me (on and off, but every day for sure), and barely allowing me to throw a football without heightening some nagging pains. I feel it's about time I money up and get me some Cissus, I'm just drained at the moment.
 
I'm right there with ya bro - except the only cissus I've ever used is SuperCissusRX. Love it. Experienced a WIDE range of benefits from it, beyond healing aches & pains. Fat loss, strength gain @ incresed dosages are for real!
 
VolcomX311 said:
I've never tried anything bone wise apart from Glucosamine Chondroitin.
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I experimented with Genera's 24% cissus last November. I can honestly say my neck/joints got "less creaky", I wasn't exactly sore before per se, but afterwards I couldn't crack my neck joint the way I usually do and everything sort of felt "smoother". That being said, we ran OOS at NP and I didn't feel the need to buy any other cissus. I did buy some bulk Supercissus RX to help my dad and his knees, however it didn't work for him and this was only an 8-week experiement. He was damn non-compliant at the start, would only take 2 caps in the morning, until I found out 3 weeks in lol. :frustrate

Also in hopes of reinforcing the right vocabulary, I believe Volcom meant purist and not purest in post #1051, don't mind my nitpicking.
 
vikinginc said:
.. or just straight up cissus that everyone is thoroughly aware of.



Selling much AN lately ?! .. asking as you're under the impression that 'Osteo-Sport will sell itself' even without saying what it's done for you . .
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I just got it today and hope it works well. I have used glucosamine/chondroitin and it also worked through some time.

It should be noted that the post was intended for Irish, and that it was joke not intended to be taken seriously.
 
Day 33; Legitimate, yet Gimpy Back Workout

Lat Pull Downs - Close, neutral grip
200lbs x 10 reps
210lbs x 8 reps
220lbs x 7 reps

Lat Pull Downs - Moderately wide (bar), neutral grip
180lbs x 10 reps
190lbs x 8 reps
200lbs x 7 reps

Lat Pull Downs - Wide, Behind the Neck
150lbs x 10 reps
160lbs x 8 reps
170lbs x 7 reps

Hammer Pull Downs
180lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 8 reps
220lbs x 7 reps

Hammer Pull Downs - Behind the Neck
140lbs x 15 reps
160lbs x 12 reps
180lbs x 10 reps

I was still plenty fresh, but I'd run out of vertical movements and I had to stop before I wandered toward some of the more horizontal movements. One of the primary reasons I re-injure myself, is that when my pain/injury is no longer palpable and apparent, I forget that I'm injured and start to stubbornly perform lifts I shouldn't be and bam, the flood gates.

The neutral grip on the lat pulls were performed with my chest exaggerated toward the ceiling, this helps me pinch my scapular muscles/traps and my help with the lack of thickness focused lifts that I currently am trying to avoid for lumbar recovery reasons.
 
Steveoph said:
I experimented with Genera's 24% cissus last November. I can honestly say my neck/joints got "less creaky", I wasn't exactly sore before per se, but afterwards I couldn't crack my neck joint the way I usually do and everything sort of felt "smoother". That being said, we ran OOS at NP and I didn't feel the need to buy any other cissus. I did buy some bulk Supercissus RX to help my dad and his knees, however it didn't work for him and this was only an 8-week experiement. He was damn non-compliant at the start, would only take 2 caps in the morning, until I found out 3 weeks in lol. :frustrate

Also in hopes of reinforcing the right vocabulary, I believe Volcom meant purist and not purest in post #1051, don't mind my nitpicking.
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VolcomX311 said:
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Hahaha, in these days of computer-lingo, who wouldn't be walking the plank for spelling-errors ?!

Nice back workout, Big V ! Way to lat-out wide !
 
vikinginc said:
Hahaha, in these days of computer-lingo, who wouldn't be walking the plank for spelling-errors ?!

Nice back workout, Big V ! Way to lat-out wide !
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Thanks, when I was doing the 220 (and they felt heavy today) on the pull downs, I thought, 315 x15, shiiiiiiiiiit. That damn Nordic Yetti. Invalid Link Removed
 
VolcomX311 said:
Thanks, when I was doing the 220 (and they felt heavy today) on the pull downs, I thought, 315 x15, shiiiiiiiiiit. That damn Nordic Yetti. Invalid Link Removed
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Back in March/April when I began doing deadlifts, I always envisioned '405 * 10' . . . your, then, personal best with 405 on the bar according to your log of massive proportions (and amounts of supplements! LOL). Bro, that kept me pushing harder and harder every workout !
 
yo sam youve got an honorable mention in my neovar/osteo sport log. peep dat shiiiihhh

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also. im on my third bottle of osteo sport, as i have probably posted in like 23874324876 different threads now. honestly, love it to death. only thing that compares, would be animal flex + cissus.
 
Hey Volcom a lot of people don't use behind the neck anything anymore much less lat pull downs. What are your reasons for still using them disregarding all the warnings and blahblahblah?
 
Emerge said:
Hey Volcom a lot of people don't use behind the neck anything anymore much less lat pull downs. What are your reasons for still using them disregarding all the warnings and blahblahblah?
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The warnings are bull$hit. All of those shoulder do's and don'ts have a caveat. Personal shoulder ROM. For exmaple, people who only do 90 degree shoulder presses, if it's a shoulder ROM limitation issue, then that's alright, but it gets abused when perfectly well abled people faggo rep because they read some article somewhere and think they are in the know for faggo repping. Same with bench, people who 90 degree bench, if its a shoulder issue, then you do what you can, but too many people abused it by faggo repping to put up more weight.

Behind the neck military and lat pulls have the reputation of shoulder pinging, it's not true if it doesn't pinge YOUR shoulder. If you want to get into exercises that ought to raise concern, it's the barbell snatch. You throw hundreds of pounds on the bar in full speed into a shoulder hyperextension. Why do some people handle it so well? Shoulder ROM.

Bodybuilding isn't black & white. The behind the neck, don't go pass parallel BS is only applicable to physical limitations. If you are not limited by the ROM or the mechanics of the movement, then you're fine.

Hell, I screwed my elbows for life performing over head skull crushers. Perfectly safe exercise, but over years my elbow got worn, so I can't perform skull crushers, which is why I do the laying Db extensions, not because I like them better, but I'm physically relegated to them. The barbell biceps curl is proned to give carpal tunnel, perfectly safe exercise. Our bodies perform different and can handle different mechanics more or less efficiently.

No faggo reps allowed in this log.
 
Lmfao, alright I get what you are saying. In terms of behind the neck and to the chest lat pull down do you notice a complete different stimulation?
 
VolcomX311 said:
The warnings are bull$hit. All of those shoulder do's and don'ts have a caveat. Personal shoulder ROM. For exmaple, people who only do 90 degree shoulder presses, if it's a shoulder ROM limitation issue, then that's alright, but it gets abused when perfectly well abled people faggo rep because they read some article somewhere and think they are in the know for faggo repping. Same with bench, people who 90 degree bench, if its a shoulder issue, then you do what you can, but too many people abused it by faggo repping to put up more weight.

Behind the neck military and lat pulls have the reputation of shoulder pinging, it's not true if it doesn't pinge YOUR shoulder. If you want to get into exercises that ought to raise concern, it's the barbell snatch. You throw hundreds of pounds on the bar in full speed into a shoulder hyperextension. Why do some people handle it so well? Shoulder ROM.

Bodybuilding isn't black & white. The behind the neck, don't go pass parallel BS is only applicable to physical limitations. If you are not limited by the ROM or the mechanics of the movement, then you're fine.

Hell, I screwed my elbows for life performing over head skull crushers. Perfectly safe exercise, but over years my elbow got worn, so I can't perform skull crushers, which is why I do the laying Db extensions, not because I like them better, but I'm physically relegated to them. The barbell biceps curl is proned to give carpal tunnel, perfectly safe exercise. Our bodies perform different and can handle different mechanics more or less efficiently.

No faggo reps allowed in this log.
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i agree, but cant shoulder ROM be increased by improving flexibility and mobility?
 
rolandajoint said:
i agree, but cant shoulder ROM be increased by improving flexibility and mobility?
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Apart from severe frozen shoulder syndrome, hells to tha yes. People who perform Olympic snatches don't start off as flexible as they need to be in order to reach that level of shoulder hyperextension.
 
Emerge said:
Lmfao, alright I get what you are saying. In terms of behind the neck and to the chest lat pull down do you notice a complete different stimulation?
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Different, but not completely different, however, different enough to perform behind the neck along with the front, as oppose to one or the other.

Front lat pulls, I feel my lats pulling down and I also feel all my thoracic muscles, rhomboids, teres major/minor, spino traps, pulling back in conjunction. Behind the neck, all I feel are the lats pulling down.
 
snagency said:
Love me some behind-the-neck military's! Key to my shoulder development for sure..
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Me too, although the front military and behind the neck military stimulate the same anterior head, medial head, and to a lesser extent, the posterior head, I feel the behind the neck highlights the medial head, while the front military emphasizes the anterior head.
 
Day 34; Big Bad Quasi-Gimpy Chest, but still Big & Bad

First off, I didn't have to be up before the roosters this morning, and on top of that, I fell asleep at 9:15'ish last night and wake up at 8:15'ish this morning. That's like two full nights of sleep for me.

CHEST

Flat Bench
225lbs x 10 reps
275lbs x 10 reps
285lbs x 8 reps
290lbs x 7 reps

Decline Bench (because I can't perform incline bench, atm)
185lbs x 10 reps
205lbs x 10 reps
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Heavy Db Flies
50lbs Db's x 10 reps
60lbs Db's x 8 reps
70lbs Db's x 7 reps

Hammer Wide Press
180lbs x 10 reps
230lbs x 10 reps
280lbs x 8 reps

Free Weight Loaded Dips Machine
190lbs x 10 reps
200lbs x 10 reps
210lbs x 8 reps

It was a socially acceptable workout. I can still feel my upper, left pec strain a little bit, which is why I avoid any incline exercises at the moment (and that KILLS me).

White Flood CAPS: The nootropics are the only catalyst of perceived energy left. I have 6 days left and my White Flood experience will be up. I can't believe 40 days will have already gone by! Sheeeesh! 40 consecutive days is a long time to be taking any kind of stimulant. While I was still sensitive to it, the WF CAPS served me incredibly well, but at this point, I'm a stimulant Black Hole. I consume and any traces of it disappears. This is indicative of my own biology, not the supplement.

DTHC/Sunami: I began this log taking 6 DTHC/3 Sunamis and when I restarted this combo, I dropped it down to 4 DTHC/2 Sunamis to see if there would be a difference. Yes. My libido is definitely lower on the 4/2 combo, compared to the 6/3 and the most significant difference are my dreams. The 6/3 gave me funky dreams, some x-rated, some Stanly Kubrick/Andy Warhol weird. My current 4/2 combo has not effected my dream states.

Strength wise, I'm not sure I can say yet, because I'm still trying to get back in the swing of things, but nothing has been significant enough to grab my attention.
 
That Anonymous Forum is ridiculous. Half of it are other company reps undermining USPLabs, a quarter of it are cowards "calling out" other members and the other quarter are haters hating on whatever they can hate on. Yet it's hard to look away. I get partly disgusted and partly entertained and partly angry whenever I visit that forum.
 
VolcomX311 said:
That Anonymous Forum is ridiculous. Half of it are other company reps undermining USPLabs, a quarter of it are cowards "calling out" other members and the other quarter are haters hating on whatever they can hate on. Yet it's hard to look away. I get partly disgusted and partly entertained and partly angry whenever I visit that forum.
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always seems to be a lot of haters for USP. ive never understood it.

theyre probably just compensating for being a weak minded individual in real life.
 
Logs lookn great Volcom! Keep up the hard work! You have always been a great inspiration to me man! Invalid Link Removed
 
When Threads take an odd turn.....

Read from page 3 through 4. It starts off like any other thread, with disagreements and minor heated statements, but then it gets awfully weird.

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My money is on Timberlaker sharing a few words by the time he gets to page 4. Unless they're homies. Page 3 was regular drama, page 4 was..... you have to see and if you skip page 3 you'll miss how things turned and lose out on the experience.

I was challenged to a yahoo camera pose down via PM as a result of page 3, but its page 4 that has me feeling dirty.

The guy in question isn't a bad dude, I did find him on my own buddy list, so we must have been cool at one point, but.... you just have to see. Page 3 is regular, minor drama involving myself, page 4 is a different beast. I'm sort of at a loss for words.

Again, a pretty cool dude, but... I wished I could have just PM'd everybody to not make it so public, but that's too much trouble.
 
Breaking News!

BB.com has shut down as a result of an incident regarding a BB.com forum member suicide. I'm sure BB.com has "temporarily" shut down for legal liability reasons, but for the moment, there is no BB.com.

This is a sad tragedy for anyone to have gone to that extent. Here is an AM link that discusses the contents surrounding the situation. Apparently, the suicide was on a video stream at BB.com., clearly, that has been removed, along with the temporary shut down of the site in its entirety.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/anabolicminds-anonymous/109458-very-sick-twisted.html#post1662366url]

CLIFFS:

1. CJ made several past threads that he was about to commit suicide. ( not sure how far he got )

2. Made another another suicide thread with live stream of him poppin lots of pills claimed to be xanax, roxies and something else

3. Many replies were insulting him, calling him a faker and attention whore, pussy etc

4. CJ lays on bed, is in the EXACT same position for several hours. Most think he is faking or it's a still picture inserted on the vid screen etc.

5. After several hours someone notices it does not look like he is breathing and the sunlight is seen in the video. Many attempts to ID him but nobody knew him personally. PM sent to a mod with link to thread and live feed and stating " he has not moved an inch in hours I think this is real" Mod replies "he is an attention whore"

6. Admin and others find info. Cops and paramedics kick in door while still live on cam. Cops cover up camera.

7. Forum goes crazy, e-detective work on possible chemical coma etc, talk of pressing charges on mod who ignored PM

8. Nothing officially confirmed on news or anything but FWIW I messaged his #1 buddy on myspace and the buddy said he did not make it. Several of his friends posted RIP on his page today.

9. Coincidentally the whole site is down right now.
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I was talking about the guy who was talking about giving head. Btw, I feel sorry for the dude who committed suicide. I wonder if he reached out to real friends also or just the e-friends.

Either way, BB is in for a major investigation. I used to run a hiphop forum, and therefore frequented a lot of web sites where webmasters talked about such issues.

This isn't the first time a forum had a person commit suicide, but the forum is held responsible for content posted. So... yeah.
 
But someone making up a story of molestation to subdue an argument or get attention (to me) is. That's why I said I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him. Because I don't know for sure if it is true.
 
BB.com is up thankfully, but the forums are still down understandably. I stumbled upon this today somehow (I rarely go to those forums because the people there are unbelievably insensitive, ignorant, and very difficult to get along with for the most part). The entire situation is disgusting.
 
jesus christ what the **** happened in that thread?

genetics, size, blowing some old dood, girlfriend drinking steroid semen, blah blah

what the ****?!

its like not even funny, its just weird as hell.
 
Emerge said:
But someone making up a story of molestation to subdue an argument or get attention (to me) is. That's why I said I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for him. Because I don't know for sure if it is true.
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Oh I gotcha. Well, hopefully smeton wouldn't lie about that, but then again, considering the circumstance, I actually hope he is.
 
Emerge said:
I wonder if those people egging him on feel the least bit of remorse for their actions.
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Berating someone over the internet is just stupid, Those people are obviously immature and have some sort of issues themselves, stemming from what I would imagine was/is poor parenting.

I felt really bad for that chick that was getting knocked on from those pictures of the red Integra. Ya, I laughed a little, but that's just messed up. From what I'm told she is handling it well, but it's still horrible. How can you not feel bad for someone in that situation?

Some people are just messed up, big time. Fortunately I don't see a TON of it on AM. It seems like if someone says something out of line, they are usually called out on it, at least within our group/clique. We've got a pretty good set of guys/gals here, and I'm happy about that.
 
I wholeheartedly agree. I thought the chick's pictures should not have been posted. They are her pictures and her property to do what she wants to with. That guy is a jerk. Those people in general are jerks.
 
Irish Cannon said:
Berating someone over the internet is just stupid, Those people are obviously immature and have some sort of issues themselves, stemming from what I would imagine was/is poor parenting.

I felt really bad for that chick that was getting knocked on from those pictures of the red Integra. Ya, I laughed a little, but that's just messed up. From what I'm told she is handling it well, but it's still horrible. How can you not feel bad for someone in that situation?

Some people are just messed up, big time. Fortunately I don't see a TON of it on AM. It seems like if someone says something out of line, they are usually called out on it, at least within our group/clique. We've got a pretty good set of guys/gals here, and I'm happy about that.
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amen to that dood. i was first attracted to signing up here after seeing so many threads where people were selfless in helping others out, whatever they might ahve needed. from something as simple as starting a diet, or advanced as techniques used in westside, they were HELPED, not called an idiot and left to fend for themselves.

cant say that about a lot of forums.
 
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