Are your balls Diesel? Diesel Test Hardcore/Sunami libido/strength Log.

DaveGabe24 said:
I guess "mega-dosing" is a subjective term, but in my book 10-12 scoops is within the realm.

So, 1hp here, that you so avidly agree with Ari, mega-doses in my book. I'm simply trying to explain that he can save his bcaa/eaa products for around workouts, increase protein intake slightly, and have the same results.
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Yeah it's in the megadosing realm.

And I still dont agree because in my diet I have actually replaced whey shakes with Xtend servings and the difference is huge.

BUT, some things may make it different for me. I try to be on a calorie deficit (hard to keep up on DTH, so fking hungry lol), I squat heavy 3 times a week. Before Xtend I did not recover within 48 hours so I could not increase weights every workout. On Xtend I was completely recovered so could increase weights every workout. So for me I guess it's the quicker recovery that increases my rate of strength gains. It might be completely different for somebody on a 5-day traditional split.

I've put it to a thorough test, and you cannot argue with the results below...

1HP said:
I'm going to wrap this up.

Final review/summary:

Strength gains in 5 weeks with no supplements at all:
Squat from 180 to 225 (10 rep max) +45
Deadlift from 310 to 330 (1 rep max) +20

Strength gains in 4 weeks (megadosing) Xtend:
Squat from 225 to 300 (10 rep max) +75
Deadlift from 330 to 375 (1 rep max) +45

I'm 99% sure the acceleration in strength gains is because of the fast recovery on Xtend. I'm squatting 3 times a week, deadlifting 2 times a week, and every training I'm fully recovered and able to add 5 lbs and make my reps.

Awesome, Xtend is a staple for me now.

Remember, below maintenance calory intake all 9 weeks. Lost 7 lbs BW, waist is down 1.4", arms are up 0.3".
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Day 26:
Dose: 2/2/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

Day 27:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

Day 28:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

JP8/NOS ETHER:

Training days (mo/we/fr):

Pre workout:
2 scoops JP8
1 scoop NOS ETHER

Post workout:
1 scoop NOS ETHER

Off days:
1 scoop NOS ETHER

Notes on 4 DTH vs 5 DTH:

4DTH Strengths:
-Way higher libido then on 5 (on the verge of too high)
-Less acne then on 5
-Less agression then on 5 (is this a strength or a weakness lol)
-No lethargy at all

5DTH Strengths:
-Increased muscle hardness compared to 4
-Increased vascularity compared to 4
-Increased energy over 4 during the day (but lethargy late afternoon/early evening)
-Notably more alpha male mentality then on 4

Additional Libido note: On 5 DTH/day libido starts to drop after 2-3 days to a point where it's kind of low. When I switch back to 4 DTH/day libido starts to rise and after 2 days it's really high, way above normal and it seems to increase even more after that to the point where it's simply too high for me. I'm going to experminent some more, maybe cycling 4DTH and 5DTH, or adjust Sunami dosages to find my optimal dose. At this point my optimal dose is probably 4.5 DTH/day ;)
 
Hey bud, just curious. What dose makes you the most lethargic, if at all? Nice comparison between 4 and 5 DTH, I like it!!
 
1HP said:
Yeah it's in the megadosing realm.

And I still dont agree because in my diet I have actually replaced whey shakes with Xtend servings and the difference is huge.

BUT, some things may make it different for me. I try to be on a calorie deficit (hard to keep up on DTH, so fking hungry lol), I squat heavy 3 times a week. Before Xtend I did not recover within 48 hours so I could not increase weights every workout. On Xtend I was completely recovered so could increase weights every workout. So for me I guess it's the quicker recovery that increases my rate of strength gains. It might be completely different for somebody on a 5-day traditional split.

I've put it to a thorough test, and you cannot argue with the results below...
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I have already explained previously that when in a caloric deficit the circumstances are much different and the use of free form amino acids is much more suggested to prevent catabolism. However, replacing meals with Xtend is ridiculous as you are losing out on the rest of the blend of amino acids, and other possible nutrients/benefits of whole food. Any knowledgeable person on nutrition will explain that to you. Even Layne Norton, when describing the possibilities for using amino acids on a cut recommended them to be dosed in BETWEEN meals, never as a substitute.
 
DaveGabe24 said:
I have already explained previously that when in a caloric deficit the circumstances are much different and the use of free form amino acids is much more suggested to prevent catabolism. However, replacing meals with Xtend is ridiculous as you are losing out on the rest of the blend of amino acids, and other possible nutrients/benefits of whole food. Any knowledgeable person on nutrition will explain that to you. Even Layne Norton, when describing the possibilities for using amino acids on a cut recommended them to be dosed in BETWEEN meals, never as a substitute.
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Haha ok, this is kind of a pointless discussion so I'll just show you an example of what I do:

Non workout days:

7:30 2 scoops Xtend
8:00 meal 1
10:00 2 scoops Xtend
12:00 meal 2
14:00 2 scoops Xtend
16:00 meal 3
18:30 meal 4
20:30 2 scoops Xtend
22:00 meal 5
23:30 2 scoops Xtend
Sleep

Workout days:
7:30 2 scoops Xtend
meals
17:30 pre workout 2 scoops Xtend + JP8 + NOS ETHER
18:00 workout 2 scoops Xtend during
19:00 post workout 2 scoops Xtend + NOS ETHER
meals
23:30 2 scoops Xtend

We probably agree on this being the right way to take Xtend.

And yes I do lose fat and gain strength simultaniously this way. Without Xtend and more protein it's sort of an either bulk or cut deal for me, gain size/strength and some fat, lose fat and some size/strength. I prefer ths first way year round and it works for me.

P.S. I dont care for size, only strength
 
1HP said:
Haha ok, this is kind of a pointless discussion so I'll just show you an example of what I do:

Non workout days:

7:30 2 scoops Xtend
8:00 meal 1
10:00 2 scoops Xtend
12:00 meal 2
14:00 2 scoops Xtend
16:00 meal 3
18:30 meal 4
20:30 2 scoops Xtend
22:00 meal 5
23:30 2 scoops Xtend
Sleep

Workout days:
7:30 2 scoops Xtend
meals
17:30 pre workout 2 scoops Xtend + JP8 + NOS ETHER
18:00 workout 2 scoops Xtend during
19:00 post workout 2 scoops Xtend + NOS ETHER
meals
23:30 2 scoops Xtend

We probably agree on this being the right way to take Xtend.

And yes I do lose fat and gain strength simultaniously this way. Without Xtend and more protein it's sort of an either bulk or cut deal for me, gain size/strength and some fat, lose fat and some size/strength. I prefer ths first way year round and it works for me.

P.S. I dont care for size, only strength
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First off...you're on a caloric deficit. So you're Xtend throughout the day makes much more sense than if you were to bulk.

Personally, I don't know any bodybuilders that try to recomp all year. It's bulk/cut/prep, repeat. So that's why I was confused. The 2 scoops of Xtend an hour and a half later should be a full whole food meal instead imo, but a lot of you guys seem so set in your ways I will save my breath in here.
 
Personally, I prefer to lean bulk.:lol: Seems pointlesss to me to build yourself up, then tear it down, why not just bulk as lean as you can instead of being on a "see food" diet, eating everything you see. I understand for some, this is a way of life,but I prefer to save myself the agony of see-sawing the scales. Then again, I'm not a pro bodybuilder, so to each their own. Eventually, like everything else, you'll brickwall, and no matter how much of any one thing you take in, it's not gonna do anything, regardless. It's all synergistic after and even up to that point some can argue/debate.
 
1HP said:
Haha ok, this is kind of a pointless discussion so I'll just show you an example of what I do:

Non workout days:

7:30 2 scoops Xtend
8:00 meal 1
10:00 2 scoops Xtend
12:00 meal 2
14:00 2 scoops Xtend
16:00 meal 3
18:30 meal 4
20:30 2 scoops Xtend
22:00 meal 5
23:30 2 scoops Xtend
Sleep

Workout days:
7:30 2 scoops Xtend
meals
17:30 pre workout 2 scoops Xtend + JP8 + NOS ETHER
18:00 workout 2 scoops Xtend during
19:00 post workout 2 scoops Xtend + NOS ETHER
meals
23:30 2 scoops Xtend

We probably agree on this being the right way to take Xtend.

And yes I do lose fat and gain strength simultaniously this way. Without Xtend and more protein it's sort of an either bulk or cut deal for me, gain size/strength and some fat, lose fat and some size/strength. I prefer ths first way year round and it works for me.

P.S. I dont care for size, only strength
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i personally think thats a solid xtend plan, in between meals

But 10 scoops a day of xtend would set u back 2.50 a day, not so much is guesss, 60 dollars a month, but worth it. I mainly use xtend for intra workout 6 scoops mixed with some glycerol mono and a lil bit of wazy maize.
 
hp, youve officially been entered into the top tier logs, when people started talking about nothing to do with :dance:the log.
 
ari4216 said:
i personally think thats a solid xtend plan, in between meals

But 10 scoops a day of xtend would set u back 2.50 a day, not so much is guesss, 60 dollars a month, but worth it. I mainly use xtend for intra workout 6 scoops mixed with some glycerol mono and a lil bit of wazy maize.
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If I take over 3 scoops of xtend/day I get huge headaches. I think its the heavy artificial sweetners. I know some guys down in Florida that drink about 4 scoops at a time!
 
Chuck Diesel said:
If I take over 3 scoops of xtend/day I get huge headaches. I think its the heavy artificial sweetners. I know some guys down in Florida that drink about 4 scoops at a time!
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???

i guess me and you and have very different taste preferences.

i drink 6 scoops over the course of my workout.
 
I've done 4 scoops at once multiple times already. Apart from training I found 4 scoops just before bed after a night out and some drinking (bad I know but I like to party) greatly reduces my hangover.
 
1HP said:
Haha ok, this is kind of a pointless discussion so I'll just show you an example of what I do:

Non workout days:

7:30 2 scoops Xtend
8:00 meal 1
10:00 2 scoops Xtend
12:00 meal 2
14:00 2 scoops Xtend
16:00 meal 3
18:30 meal 4
20:30 2 scoops Xtend
22:00 meal 5
23:30 2 scoops Xtend
Sleep

Workout days:
7:30 2 scoops Xtend
meals
17:30 pre workout 2 scoops Xtend + JP8 + NOS ETHER
18:00 workout 2 scoops Xtend during
19:00 post workout 2 scoops Xtend + NOS ETHER
meals
23:30 2 scoops Xtend

We probably agree on this being the right way to take Xtend.

And yes I do lose fat and gain strength simultaniously this way. Without Xtend and more protein it's sort of an either bulk or cut deal for me, gain size/strength and some fat, lose fat and some size/strength. I prefer ths first way year round and it works for me.

P.S. I dont care for size, only strength
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P.S. I dont care for size, only strength
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Try Anavar. :D

I like your log bro!
 
1HP said:
I've done 4 scoops at once multiple times already. Apart from training I found 4 scoops just before bed after a night out and some drinking (bad I know but I like to party) greatly reduces my hangover.
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I may have to give that a try!
 
I've used Amino Vital before, they make one with no artificial sweetners in it it, you lose the citrulline malate but gain arginine in it's place. I try to stay away from artificial sweetners as much as possible. COme to think about it, quite a few of my friends where getting headaches from the artificial sweetner in coke zero, there was even something posted about it by others.
 
I've always had a big pre-WO meal and a big post-WO meal, and always survived on 2 scoops of Xtend. I've stretched my containers for so long doing it this way lol. There's some interesting research on intermittent fasting. I'm a bigger fan of strategically dosed Leucine.

1-HP the log is looking great, I like the comparison between 4 and 5 tabs, and keep on working hard!
 
subweevil said:
Hey bud, just curious. What dose makes you the most lethargic, if at all? Nice comparison between 4 and 5 DTH, I like it!!
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Yea I liked that also. Keep it up 1Hp!
 
Bravoboy said:
I may have to give that a try!
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Try it it works, just did that protocol again last night, after some heavy drinking, home @5AM, 4 scoops Xtend, sleep till 9AM, take a piss (always need to after drinking ;) ), 2 more scoops Xtend (keep a bottle ready next to bed) sleep till 1 PM, fresh as a bird!! :bruce3:
 
Day 29:
Dose: 2/1/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1/1 Sunami.

Day 30:
Dose: 0 / 0

Some strength increases again:
Squat: 10x350
Deadlift: 5x350
Clean&Press: 5x145

Libido: On 4 DTH my libido is sky rocketing. Last night I popped 1 additional Sunami before going out and DAMN, I was horny as hell in town lol, checking up every decent looking piece of ass, talked to half of em, no score, I couldnt make a choice and by then it was too late, but thats allright had great fun!
BTW, I'm normally not like this, Get Diesel made me do it, turns you into some kind of casanova..
 
BTW, I'm normally not like this, Get Diesel made me do it, turns you into some kind of casanova..[/QUOTE]
That's your story and you are sticking to it? :icon_lol:
But I can endorse that as well. found myself checking out this older lady, normally I would not have done that.......that damn diesel. Chuck find me a good sexual harrassment lawyer..lol.
 
dude I love that. that is some funny ****!

1HP said:
Try it it works, just did that protocol again last night, after some heavy drinking, home @5AM, 4 scoops Xtend, sleep till 9AM, take a piss (always need to after drinking ;) ), 2 more scoops Xtend (keep a bottle ready next to bed) sleep till 1 PM, fresh as a bird!! :bruce3:
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1HP said:
Day 29:
Dose: 2/1/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1/1 Sunami.

but thats allright had great fun!
BTW, I'm normally not like this, Get Diesel made me do it, turns you into some kind of casanova..
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hahahaha had to be the 4 Sunami's.

ABNRanger said:
BTW, I'm normally not like this, Get Diesel made me do it, turns you into some kind of casanova..[/QUOTE]
That's your story and you are sticking to it? :icon_lol:
But I can endorse that as well. found myself checking out this older lady, normally I would not have done that.......that damn diesel. Chuck find me a good sexual harrassment lawyer..lol.
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haha
 
Day 31:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

Weight today was 196 lbs

Thats up 7 lbs since starting the NOS ETHER, thats like what I gain in weight on Creatine Monohydrate but then I'm bloated like hell.. I can maybe see a hint of bloat around my midsection now, but I might be imagining that. Will do some measurements again soon.
 
hey diesel or trip.

Can i take products like DTH, 2010 or sunami with EFA's. I know to take them 15 minutes before food, or 30 minutes after a meal.

Thought i better ask about the fish oil,dont want to disturb the absorption process.

thanks.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
hey diesel or trip.

Can i take products like DTH, 2010 or sunami with EFA's. I know to take them 15 minutes before food, or 30 minutes after a meal.

Thought i better ask about the fish oil,dont want to disturb the absorption process.

thanks.
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To be honest I like to take fish oil with most of my supplements.
 
Steveoph said:
A cap of fish oil only gives 1g of fat, so a few isn't that big of a deal digestion wise.

Looking forward to seeing how much of that weight is muscle 1HP :thumbsup:
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Well you would think all of it lol, waist circumference is unchanged, well 0.1" less even. But it's creatine so must be water weight mostly..
 
Day 32:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

Day 33:
Dose: 2/1/2 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

I'm gonna try 5 DTH on workout days (3 days a week) and 4DTH on off days.

Libido is too high on 4 DTH / 3 Sunami daily, it makes me do things I shouldnt be doing, like dating girls I shouldnt be dating.
 
1HP said:
Day 32:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

Day 33:
Dose: 2/1/2 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami.

I'm gonna try 5 DTH on workout days (3 days a week) and 4DTH on off days.

Libido is too high on 4 DTH / 3 Sunami daily, it makes me do things I shouldnt be doing, like dating girls I shouldnt be dating.
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I get like that on DTH after about 30 straight days, I probably would be that way after about 3 days on 4 DTH/3 Sunami-day.

You be walking around wondering "why must I be like that, why must I chase the cat."

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Chuck Diesel said:
I get like that on DTH after about 30 straight days, I probably would be that way after about 3 days on 4 DTH/3 Sunami-day.

You be walking around wondering "why must I be like that, why must I chase the cat."
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Lol indeed :think:
 
Day 33 measurements:

Left ball: 35x54 mm
Right ball: 34x51 mm
Upper leg: 25.4"
Waist: 34.1"
Arm: 14.9"
Chest 48.3"
Weight: 195.8 lbs


1HP said:
Day 25:
Day 25 Measurements:
Left ball: 34x54 mm
Right ball: 35x52 mm
Upper leg: 25.2"
Waist: 34.2"
Arm: 14.9"
Chest 48.3"
Weight: 193.5 lbs
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Day 34:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami

Notes: I definately like 4DTH more then 5DTH.

Day 35:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami, 1/1/0 DT2010

Yeah baby DT2010 is here
 
Damn, I think my libido is up already lol, i've been walking around with a semi hard-on all day..
 
Bah!! Work is for people that don't know how to have fun!! LOL:toofunny: My advice, do what I did when the random wood fairy visited: Stay seated and remain calm!!:D
 
Day 36:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami, 1/1/1 DT2010

I think I'm already noticing the effects of the added DT2010.

An even more increased feeling of well being and I also feel more relaxed during the day. Also sleep seems to be deeper. Libido seems even higher, but in a more relaxed way, more in a random boner way then the irrisistable urge to bone something/anything fast!
 
1HP said:
Day 36:
Dose: 2/1/1 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami, 1/1/1 DT2010

I think I'm already noticing the effects of the added DT2010.

An even more increased feeling of well being and I also feel more relaxed during the day. Also sleep seems to be deeper. Libido seems even higher, but in a more relaxed way, more in a random boner way then the irrisistable urge to bone something/anything fast!
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A random boner way! I like it, I like it! huh, how much better can you feel. seems like it's goin great!
 
Bravoboy said:
A random boner way! I like it, I like it! huh, how much better can you feel. seems like it's goin great!
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Yeah funny there are even higher levels of feeling great ;)

I'm considering taking 1 week off DTH to see how the DT2010 treats me stand-alone, but.. well you know hard to go off when you're on top ;)
 
1HP said:
Libido is too high on 4 DTH / 3 Sunami daily, it makes me do things I shouldnt be doing, like dating girls I shouldnt be dating.
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AHAHahahahahahaha!!!!!
 
1HP said:
I'm at work dude :rofl:
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Hope you work with a lot of fat girls that think they are tunring you on...:lol:
 
Day 37:
Dose: 1/1/0 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami, 1/1/1 DT2010

Day 38:
Dose: 0/0/0 DTH, 0/0/0 Sunami, 1/1/1 DT2010

Day 39:
Dose: 0/0/0 DTH, 1/1/1 Sunami, 1/1/1 DT2010

Finished my first bottle of DTH, think I'm gonna do 1 or 2 weeks of DT2010/Sunami solo to see how it treats me.

Libido: So far more random boners with DT2010 in the mix allover the day. The urge to bone something is quite managable, way better under control then on 4 DTH/3 Sunami, funny since I'm now having all these random erections.. I feel more in control of my raging libido.
 
Having random boners and the words "staying in control" confuses the hell outa me. Anytime I get a woodrow their's not much control comin from me. haha. That's when trouble occurs.
 
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