Anavar?

papapumpsd said:
Santa, from my research, not much is needed for PCT. Nolva 20/20/20/20 is enough and maybe toss in a test booster. I have Torem. so I'd prob. run an easy 3 week PCT after a 6-week (40/50/60/60/50/40) run of Var. V. mild stuff man.

-Papa!-
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why the taper on the var cycle? i've heard this was unnecessary and a waste... could be wrong...
 
hey papa, thanks for the advice. the guy im getting the var from recommended clomid, however, not nolvadex for my pct. he says i should do clomid 100mg/day week one, and 50mg/day week 2, and then ill be set. does that sound ok also?
 
panther77 said:
why the taper on the var cycle? i've heard this was unnecessary and a waste... could be wrong...
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Well, that's just one version of Var one could do.....tapering, IMO, sets the body up and "cools" it off from a cycle. But yes, Var is very mild as it is. I was thinking of running it for longer than 6 weeks, so I started toying w/tapering doses......was thinking of running w/peptides, but decided not to. So I guess you could forget the taper.

Regarding Nolva, that's just a PCT I've read...Clomid may work fine too, I just haven't come across any specifics for it regarding PCT for Var. :)
 
k thanks again. ive got another question im hoping you guys could help me with. i know that your obviously supposed to eat a lot more calories when on steroids b/c your body has an increased ability for protein synthesis etc, but var is a cutting drug...therefore, should i eat less calories when on it? im not trying to get a lot bigger, just want more definition and vascularity.

im natural at the moment and my diet is around 1900 calories, 40% protein, 30% carbs, 30% healthy fats, no cheat meals

increase calories, decrease? stay the same? change the ratios? any advice would be great
 
badsanta444 said:
k thanks again. ive got another question im hoping you guys could help me with. i know that your obviously supposed to eat a lot more calories when on steroids b/c your body has an increased ability for protein synthesis etc, but var is a cutting drug...therefore, should i eat less calories when on it? im not trying to get a lot bigger, just want more definition and vascularity.

im natural at the moment and my diet is around 1900 calories, 40% protein, 30% carbs, 30% healthy fats, no cheat meals

increase calories, decrease? stay the same? change the ratios? any advice would be great
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IMO do what you would normally do and adjut accordingly. No need to get thid really dirty otherwise you'll have a hard time going back to your little 1900 calories.

Damn, 1900 cals? lol. But if this is what works for you, then this is it. I am cutting at 2700 cals. and always hungry, so we're all different.
 
also heard that var is better when stacked with creatine, but since that causes water retention wouldnt that be counterproductive to the var?
 
also... jjohn, you said your friend took anavar, would you mind asking him what he took for post cycle therapy and if it worked? im kinda stuck right now between whether i should go with nolvadex or clomid, i might just be overthinking it but id rather be safe than sorry lol
 
badsanta444 said:
also... jjohn, you said your friend took anavar, would you mind asking him what he took for post cycle therapy and if it worked? im kinda stuck right now between whether i should go with nolvadex or clomid, i might just be overthinking it but id rather be safe than sorry lol
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Both will do the job IMO.
 
I want some OT and Var but the sources I had were all BD which has gone under apparently. Now I dont know what good sources are. And I'm especially concerned after reading here about these studies and stuff that say huge portion of what out there these days is fake. I've heard there are forums for "reviews" of sources and products but I don't know how to find. Can anyone give advice on how to find this kind of information?
 
Anavar, like all androgens, will increase blood pressure. Anavar alone is good for increasing strength and lean, dry mass (meaning you won't see much scale gains). Also makes it good for using while dieting since it does seem to negatively affect appetite. All androgens decrease HDL. People recommend creatine while on var because it has been suggested that var increases creatine synthase activity -- so people have somehow connected that to taking creatine exogenously. Why you would need to take more when you are producing more is my question. All androgens can cause hair loss if you take a high enough dose.
 
sethroberts said:
Anavar, like all androgens, will increase blood pressure. Anavar alone is good for increasing strength and lean, dry mass (meaning you won't see much scale gains). Also makes it good for using while dieting since it does seem to negatively affect appetite. All androgens decrease HDL. People recommend creatine while on var because it has been suggested that var increases creatine synthase activity -- so people have somehow connected that to taking creatine exogenously. Why you would need to take more when you are producing more is my question. All androgens can cause hair loss if you take a high enough dose.
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Nearly all AAS have been shown to enhance creatine synthesis to some extent. I prefer AAS alone to know exactly what effects I'm getting from the anabolic, plus I like to add creatine to pct to keep gains up and possibly add more. Also this helps me a lot mentally when I retain my gains.

Besides with the kidney stress from AAS you really don't want to add more with creatine IMO.
 
Does anyone have any advice on how to go about trying to find good quality anavar these days? Are there any forums anywhere that discuss the quality of various brands and sources or anything like that?

Last I was looking for some there was a simple way of being confident you were getting the real thing -- British Dragon had a page on their site that showed you how to tell whether or not what you had was theirs or a counterfeit, and then there were lots of sources with good reputations you could rely on to get their real product. However, I don't know anything about what brands and sources are good these days.
 
vkg1 said:
Does anyone have any advice on how to go about trying to find good quality anavar these days? Are there any forums anywhere that discuss the quality of various brands and sources or anything like that?

Last I was looking for some there was a simple way of being confident you were getting the real thing -- British Dragon had a page on their site that showed you how to tell whether or not what you had was theirs or a counterfeit, and then there were lots of sources with good reputations you could rely on to get their real product. However, I don't know anything about what brands and sources are good these days.
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Well, this still exists. Assuming you're not asking for sources, just search for pharmaceutical companies and make sure it's legit.. Quite simple..
 
jjohn said:
Well, this still exists. Assuming you're not asking for sources, just search for pharmaceutical companies and make sure it's legit.. Quite simple..
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Exactly. You might wanna check out Anabolics 200X by William Lewellyn as he typically releases many legit sources via brand name & country.
 
In terms of anabolic/androgenic ratios.. Var and Winstrol are appealing when wanting the boost or using AAS and limiting negatives. I dont get this whole var is for chicks thing, real men like side effects!?! Ive never used var or winstrol (the A and W cycle) but seen friends gain 10-12 pounds on the scale an leaning out significantly. If i was to use steroids i would go for the low androgenic. I read that inj winstrol caused new cell growth and oral did not (not %100) but for athletes this seems like a good stack also considering the increases of explosive speed and relatively infrequent or non existent noticable side effects. my 2 cents.
 
MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.


LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.

#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle
The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil
Consuming lots of ***** fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.



I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision.
 
Umm yeah..... i dunno karl, well put together, thought out, intelligent posts aside....... I heard var was for chicks and rich douche bags... I think im gonna stick with that. Sarcastic pun intended giggity giggity. :fool2:;)
 
somewhatgifted said:
In terms of anabolic/androgenic ratios.. Var and Winstrol are appealing when wanting the boost or using AAS and limiting negatives. I dont get this whole var is for chicks thing, real men like side effects!?! Ive never used var or winstrol (the A and W cycle) but seen friends gain 10-12 pounds on the scale an leaning out significantly. If i was to use steroids i would go for the low androgenic. I read that inj winstrol caused new cell growth and oral did not (not %100) but for athletes this seems like a good stack also considering the increases of explosive speed and relatively infrequent or non existent noticable side effects. my 2 cents.
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Doesn't cause cell growth where you inject.. This is a myth.

But true. Don't we all want a side free muscle builder? :p I think that I can simplify it like that: The more sides, the more results you'll see. Not always true, but if you want big results fast, nothing is side free..
 
There aren't any PHs which act like var are there?
 
jjohn said:
Doesn't cause cell growth where you inject.. This is a myth.

But true. Don't we all want a side free muscle builder? :p I think that I can simplify it like that: The more sides, the more results you'll see. Not always true, but if you want big results fast, nothing is side free..
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Do you have any studies, the ones i found said it did, could be biased obviously.
 
somewhatgifted said:
Do you have any studies, the ones i found said it did, could be biased obviously.
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I will try to find where I saw that. It mentionned something about when you inject, you break a layer where it inflates to heal and causinga temporary size gain or something..
 
pistonpump said:
jjohn when did you begin to get into AAS?

crowler we talked about that earlier in the thread. check page 2.
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Hey PP. Thanks I saw that but those posts were in May so I was hoping there was something new :)
 
pistonpump said:
really :think: if i go back a page i see all posts from september.... crowler are you getting that old already?:lol:
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dab nab it ok I was thinking about the other thread about anavar.

And NO I am NOT getting that old I already am that old :bruce3:
 
dg806 said:
M4OHN was close. But it's gone via the PH ban of 04.
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x2 it definitely had similar results. The closest current PH out purely in terms of 'similar results' would be H-Drol / Halo clones IMO. They seem to reduce trunk fat and overall BF while building lean mass very well.
 
This is the end of my first cycle, today took my last dose of Anavar. Feeling kind of sad and happy at the same time. Sad because the journey has ended and happy that body can go to recovery mode and also have broken all personal records I had before. Today worked at the gym so hard that it was quite hard to get dressed after shower. Also made new flat bench personal record, so nice ending to nice cycle. Felt good almost through the cycle, felt loss of libido, but I have no permanent girlfriend so that was not a problem really, had more time to work out:D Have been thinking doing something more in the future, but this is just a thought at the moment. Will have to start researching again, to find suitable product. Was thinking of clenbuterol of orals otherwise really don't want to do any oral (17alpha-alkylated)cycle anymore.
Tomorrow starting PCT Nolvadex 20/20/10/10, also planning to go and get bloodwork done during this week, to see how my body reacted.
 
adampl2t said:
This is the end of my first cycle, today took my last dose of Anavar. Feeling kind of sad and happy at the same time. Sad because the journey has ended and happy that body can go to recovery mode and also have broken all personal records I had before. Today worked at the gym so hard that it was quite hard to get dressed after shower. Also made new flat bench personal record, so nice ending to nice cycle. Felt good almost through the cycle, felt loss of libido, but I have no permanent girlfriend so that was not a problem really, had more time to work out:D Have been thinking doing something more in the future, but this is just a thought at the moment. Will have to start researching again, to find suitable product. Was thinking of clenbuterol of orals otherwise really don't want to do any oral (17alpha-alkylated)cycle anymore.
Tomorrow starting PCT Nolvadex 20/20/10/10, also planning to go and get bloodwork done during this week, to see how my body reacted.
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please post bloodwork if and when you get the results.
 
Im thinking about running a Anavar only cycle, what would be a good way to run it? I was thinking 40mg a day for 8 weeks. Sound good? Would I need to start at a lower dose a build up or no need to, I'll have Nolva for PCT at 40/40/20/20 and of course support supps. thanks for any advice.
 
adampl2t said:
calling tomorrow my doctor, so on Monday or Tuesday should get the results
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Okay! Got the bloodwork so here are the results:

Before cycle:

HDL: 48 mg/dL
LDL: 81mg/dL
triglycerids: 70mg/dL
cholesterol: 141mg/dL
ALAT: 21 U/L
ASAT: 20 U/L

One week in cycle:

AST: 25 U/L
ALT: 30 U/L
bp: 120/65

One week after cycle:

HDL: 24 mg/dL
LDL: 109 mg/dL
cholesterol:147 mg/dL
ALT: 41 U/L
bp: 120/85

Hopefully somebody comments the changes (bad or tolerable?) Should I take something (except fish oil, milk thistle which I'm taking anyway) to get the blood back to what it was before cycle? Read that Niacin(B3) is good for raising good cholesterol. Thanks!
 
how long was the cycle and what doses? that doesnt look that bad actually. Niacin will help with cholesterol but it also stresses the liver so dont use too high doses for too long. EFA like fish or flax oils will help lipids too. i just read you are already taking that. Should be back to normal soon then.
 
pistonpump said:
how long was the cycle and what doses? that doesnt look that bad actually. Niacin will help with cholesterol but it also stresses the liver so dont use too high doses for too long. EFA like fish or flax oils will help lipids too. i just read you are already taking that. Should be back to normal soon then.
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Cycle was 6 weeks 50mg/ed

At the moment PCT Nolvadex 20/20/20/10
 
adampl2t said:
Would have to say that Anavar quite killed my appetite. Ate 3-4 times a day. Mainly chicken and fruits. Still, I was 220lb before, now 230lb. Taking into consideration that it was my first cycle ever, I love the strength gains. at least +40lb (smaller muscle groups) or even more (larger muscle groups) weight to every exercise I do. for example before did leg press 5reps 550lb, now 750lb. Biceps with straight bar now 110lb (during cycle felt sometimes that my biceps will explode during exercise) It did eventually cost quite a lot of money but hey, don't regret it. Only thing is that at the moment my hand joints are hurting quite a bit. Now letting my body restore it's normal homeostasis but have to admit that I'm also thinking of proper injectable cycle (Test only) But that is future music, lots of readying to do first.
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Vascularity? Recomp? On a scale of 1-10. 10 being amazing.

Would you say that you gained 10 lbs of lean mass and dropped bodyfat as well?

I'm looking to run Anavar @ 50mg for 6 weeks while pulsing Winstrol @ 50mg EOD next summer. (First cycle of true AAS)
 
Lean1038 said:
Vascularity? Recomp? On a scale of 1-10. 10 being amazing.

Would you say that you gained 10 lbs of lean mass and dropped bodyfat as well?

I'm looking to run Anavar @ 50mg for 6 weeks pulsing Winstrol @ 50mg EOD next summer. (First cycle of true AAS)
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90 mg a day is best IMO. But almost impossible to buy. My friend got a bunch of UG for cheap, and it worked well atthis dosage, but then, might as well do some winny if you wantto do 90 mg. Just my 2 cents..
 
jjohn said:
90 mg a day is best IMO. But almost impossible to buy. My friend got a bunch of UG for cheap, and it worked well atthis dosage, but then, might as well do some winny if you wantto do 90 mg. Just my 2 cents..
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Right, that's why pulsing the Winny was suggested to me... to somewhat "Supercharge" the Anavar.

Any word on Thailand labs being legit for 10mg Var tabs? It seems to be all over out there.
 
Lean1038 said:
Right, that's why pulsing the Winny was suggested to me... to somewhat "Supercharge" the Anavar.

Any word on Thailand labs being legit for 10mg Var tabs? It seems to be all over out there.
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No labs are the same bro. I would try to stay out of UG as you never really know what you get. Orals are not "as bad", but still... I mean, 2 bucks a pill for pharmaceutical is really expensive for the results you get off of it.

Still it's your choice! :)
 
Lean1038 said:
Vascularity? Recomp? On a scale of 1-10. 10 being amazing.

Would you say that you gained 10 lbs of lean mass and dropped bodyfat as well?

I'm looking to run Anavar @ 50mg for 6 weeks while pulsing Winstrol @ 50mg EOD next summer. (First cycle of true AAS)
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As for vascularity, definitely there are veins visible that weren't there before, especially on hands but not very much. from 1-10 i would give it 7. I think if I should have to run it once more, I would up the dose, as some have told here in AM forum. I think I reacted quite well to 50mg dose, cause my natural testosterone level is pretty high naturally. Bodyfat also definitely down, because eating low-fat meals, like I did during cycle didn't give much chance to build up fat. There were moments when Anavar killed my appetite so hard, that I could have had whole day without eating much, if any. Friends around me said that I've grown bigger and leaner and my shirts that doesn't fit me anymore so well, say it too:)
 
adampl2t said:
As for vascularity, definitely there are veins visible that weren't there before, especially on hands but not very much. from 1-10 i would give it 7. I think if I should have to run it once more, I would up the dose, as some have told here in AM forum. I think I reacted quite well to 50mg dose, cause my natural testosterone level is pretty high naturally. Bodyfat also definitely down, because eating low-fat meals, like I did during cycle didn't give much chance to build up fat. There were moments when Anavar killed my appetite so hard, that I could have had whole day without eating much, if any. Friends around me said that I've grown bigger and leaner and my shirts that doesn't fit me anymore so well, say it too:)
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Wow! Sounds great man. I think by pulsing Winstrol EOD too it should yield some VERY nice gains. :)

I think I'll roll the dice and give it a shot.
 
adampl2t said:
As for vascularity, definitely there are veins visible that weren't there before, especially on hands but not very much. from 1-10 i would give it 7. I think if I should have to run it once more, I would up the dose, as some have told here in AM forum. I think I reacted quite well to 50mg dose, cause my natural testosterone level is pretty high naturally. Bodyfat also definitely down, because eating low-fat meals, like I did during cycle didn't give much chance to build up fat. There were moments when Anavar killed my appetite so hard, that I could have had whole day without eating much, if any. Friends around me said that I've grown bigger and leaner and my shirts that doesn't fit me anymore so well, say it too:)
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So is Anavar and Winsteroll steroydes? Do they need peect? HELP!

LOL, j/p. I was thinking of running Anavar for ~6 weeks during my current peptide run. I want to run a mild anabolic to work synergistically w/them. I've heard a wide range of dosages that will work (or will "need" to be run to see good results); anywhere from 20mg to 100mg! So your feedback is greatly appreciated bro. Thanks for sharing! Hope all is well,

-Papa!-
 
My elbow joints hurt like hell. It started quite soon after finishing cycle. Don't know if it's connected to that but it's really disturbing. Can't put on much through pain.
 
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