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"Tren" Designer Information / Write-Up

Kristofer68SS said:
I agree with you sir. Reps.

I just want to add, P-5-P is a safer way to dose B6 in higher amounts.

"P-5-P is the active enzyme form of vitamin B6 that does not require activation by the liver."
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i agree also. a great compound for this is believe it or not..PowerFULL
 
so, ACL is the only tren product i've run. has anybody done anything else, and what were their results?

my run ACL tren xtreme
weight gain 6 lbs, all lean (hard gainer, 23 day cycle *personal issues came up). kept all weight in PCT, even gained another pound.
10 % increase in strength per week minimum. legs were my weak point. 350 lbs on the sled pre tren, 550 post. kept 90% of strength gains.
no sides at 90 mg.
increased aggression (noticeable)
ramped up sex drive.
dryer joints. more irritating than painful. only felt it in elbows.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I agree with you sir. Reps.

I just want to add, P-5-P is a safer way to dose B6 in higher amounts.

"P-5-P is the active enzyme form of vitamin B6 that does not require activation by the liver."
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Also very good information, as taking high amounts of your ordinary B6 would cause numerous problems for your nervous system, And powerfull is great for prolactin sides like was said...Russian.REPS.
 
thedarkest1 said:
Absolutely awesome information and post! I really appreciate that, learnt a lot from reading this.
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thanks! When I first started looking into the "tren" compounds, I was baffled. I spent a few days poking around the net trying to differentiate between the 4 different compounds. Unfortunately, the companies didn't make things easy for me. Even calling this stuff "tren" confuses people.
I'm glad you appreciated it.

Thanks and reps to everyone else that has added to the info with good posts. :clap2:
 
Im learning a lot from this thread - please indulge me here. Apart from lactation, how does one distinguish between estrogen sides effects and progestin side effects when levels increase - I assume its more complex than taking a compound that is nor-test based, and one that is a progestin. Can anybody clear up the warning signs of both estrogenic sides and progestenic sides on cycle and post cycle?
 
With due respect to you lifting stud , the majority of us in the UK havent got a cat in hells chance of obtaining the drugs that are listed unless you tap into the black market.Then another issue comes into play -trust .Trust in the quality of the drug you are buying. It strikes me reading several posts on AM whether its to do with steroids . designer steroids or prohormones , that there is no free ride. Everything has a price and if anyone wishes to go down this particular route , then they should be prepared for any reaction .However that said it then becomes a matter of cost.I hope i speak for many , certainly for myself, that we would like to see supplement companies producing safe effective products that work 100 per cent for everybody.We dont want freaky physiques, with veins showing like roads on road maps just a good physique, what magazines call a beach body .Is that too much to ask?
 
corsaking said:
With due respect to you lifting stud , the majority of us in the UK havent got a cat in hells chance of obtaining the drugs that are listed unless you tap into the black market.Then another issue comes into play -trust .Trust in the quality of the drug you are buying. It strikes me reading several posts on AM whether its to do with steroids . designer steroids or prohormones , that there is no free ride. Everything has a price and if anyone wishes to go down this particular route , then they should be prepared for any reaction .However that said it then becomes a matter of cost.I hope i speak for many , certainly for myself, that we would like to see supplement companies producing safe effective products that work 100 per cent for everybody.We dont want freaky physiques, with veins showing like roads on road maps just a good physique, what magazines call a beach body .Is that too much to ask?
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Then I wouldn't take steroids. If you want a beach body, you should work out, eat right (abs are made in the kitchen!) and stick to creatine /whey/pre-workout supps. If you want to increase aggression/well being, try a testosterone booster like Get Diesel's Diesel Test Hardcore. I've seen plenty of dudes that do cardio / HITT (crossfit type exercises) and something like pilates that look great. Good luck.
 
corsaking said:
With due respect to you lifting stud , the majority of us in the UK havent got a cat in hells chance of obtaining the drugs that are listed unless you tap into the black market.Then another issue comes into play -trust .Trust in the quality of the drug you are buying. It strikes me reading several posts on AM whether its to do with steroids . designer steroids or prohormones , that there is no free ride. Everything has a price and if anyone wishes to go down this particular route , then they should be prepared for any reaction .However that said it then becomes a matter of cost.I hope i speak for many , certainly for myself, that we would like to see supplement companies producing safe effective products that work 100 per cent for everybody.We dont want freaky physiques, with veins showing like roads on road maps just a good physique, what magazines call a beach body .Is that too much to ask?
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Well pick urself up some whey, creatine, vitamins, fish-guts, and a test booster and hit the gym hard, eat right and WHAM theres ur beach body.

Nothing in life is free pal, everything has a cost, everything has positives and negatives.
If it was that simple to look good, have big muscels, then the whole world would be walking around ripped.

Fast muscles, still have to be trained, rested, and fed!! They will come faster than NATTY muscels BUT with a price (NEGATIVE SIDES). Thats why people make threads like this to help people out with what PH work, which have bad sides....etc etc etc. Then its up to YOU to make a decision or educated 'guess'!!

Yeah, i want free money, but i dont want all the negative sides!!

A.) Do I go rob a bank, and hope i dont have any negative sides and get away with it.

B.) Do I do my homework and plan out the Heist of the Century? And come out with great gains and no sides, with a little bit of guilt in the back of my head and hope it doesnt catch up with me down the road????

C.) Do I go out and get a Second JOB and BUST MY *SS!!!!!????

Thats Just Life my Friend.
Theres decisions to be made every day 24/7.
Its how you approach those decisions and plan ahead and learn from doing and mistakes.

Good Luck My Friend in this Dog Eat Dog World!:bruce2:
 
corsaking said:
With due respect to you lifting stud , the majority of us in the UK havent got a cat in hells chance of obtaining the drugs that are listed unless you tap into the black market.Then another issue comes into play -trust .Trust in the quality of the drug you are buying. It strikes me reading several posts on AM whether its to do with steroids . designer steroids or prohormones , that there is no free ride. Everything has a price and if anyone wishes to go down this particular route , then they should be prepared for any reaction .However that said it then becomes a matter of cost.I hope i speak for many , certainly for myself, that we would like to see supplement companies producing safe effective products that work 100 per cent for everybody.We dont want freaky physiques, with veins showing like roads on road maps just a good physique, what magazines call a beach body .Is that too much to ask?
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I was just providing information to educate people on different compounds. I thought everyone could learn a little from this, even though they might not use the compounds, never hurts to be informed. Which I think most agree, they did when they read my post.

There are supplements that work for everyone, like people have listed above. But I think lots of supplements out there work better than others think. I see people order a bottle and if they dont see "steroid-like" results they feel ripped off and say it doesnt work or call it garbage. How can something be judged so quickly. Okay enough with that rant... I could go one and one.

If you want a beach body get on a good workout plan. Supplement with multi-vit, protein, creatine and maybe a fat burner. Do your HIT cardio after your workout or first thing in the morning if you lifestyle allows that. And most importantly a great diet. Its not rock science.
 
thedarkest1 said:
Im learning a lot from this thread - please indulge me here. Apart from lactation, how does one distinguish between estrogen sides effects and progestin side effects when levels increase - I assume its more complex than taking a compound that is nor-test based, and one that is a progestin. Can anybody clear up the warning signs of both estrogenic sides and progestenic sides on cycle and post cycle?
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FYI:
Progesterone — influences the growth in size of alveoli and lobes. Progesterone levels drop after birth. This triggers the onset of copious milk production.

Prolactin — contributes to the increased growth of the alveoli during pregnancy.

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Role of Progesterone in causing gyno:

Progesterone is found in both males and females. It is a precursor to many important hormones in men and women. In women it plays a role in pregnancy and in breast growth. In men, excessive progesterone can stimulate breast growth, like it does with women. While Estrogen is normally the cause of gynecomastia under normal physiological conditions, Tren and other similiar steroids stimulate the progesterone receptors because they are not only anabolic steroids, but also of a class called progestins. Progestins are the synthetic forms of steroids structurally similiar to progesterone, that have the ability to bind to the progesterone receptor too. Deca and Anadrol also are progestins, but they also aromotize to estrogen, unlike Tren. Some bodybuilders coin the term “progesterone gyno”, to explain gyno from progestin steroids.

Progesterone Gyno Controversy:

There is a major debate among bodybuilders on this entire topic. Some believe that progesterone causes the gyno in Tren users. Others believe it is actually prolactin, the hormone responsible for lactation and breast growth during a women’s pregnancy. This may explain why some experience lactating on tren cycles. Others believe it is a combination of estrogens and either prolactin or progesterone, working all synergistically to develop gyno.

Who is right?

Many Research studies I’ve seen, show that estrogen plays a synergistic role with progesterone, prolactin, and in gynecomastia. Although some bodybuilders say it’s the prolactin or progesterone directly causing it, there is NO studies to show gyno can develop without high levels of estrogen. Even IGF-1 and Growth hormone has been shown in studies to play a crucial synergistic role in the development of breast tissue. So I believe no matter what kind of steroid you take, lowering estrogen with anti-estrogens and avoiding stacking Tren with aromatizing steroids, is how you really prevent “Progesterone gyno”. With very low levels of circulating estrogen, it appears impossible or very difficult for progesterone gyno to develop.
 
The above is why I stacked havoc with CycloTren (19-nor). The "anti-e" properties would help guard against these sides. As of right now the cycle is still rocking. Impressive chest day yesterday, didnt weigh myself. Will be bumping up to 40mg of Havoc on Monday for the last 11 days. Also considering bumping the tren up from 70mg to 105mg. From what I have read people start to notice tren sides above 100mg so not sure about that. Might bump for just the last 5-7 days after I get a couple days of Havoc at 40mg to see how that treats me.
 
Just a little update... begining week 3 and havent bumped anything up since gains are still steady. Right now taking 30mg Havoc and 70mg CycloTren. Up 12 lbs. Have to say this is definately a awesome stack. Everytime I step on the scale I keep moving up and up. Seems to be all pretty lean, since I can still see my abs. Definately look a lot fuller in the mirror but I guess that is what 12lbs will do, LOL!!!
 
suncloud said:
so, ACL is the only tren product i've run. has anybody done anything else, and what were their results?

my run ACL tren xtreme
weight gain 6 lbs, all lean (hard gainer, 23 day cycle *personal issues came up). kept all weight in PCT, even gained another pound.
10 % increase in strength per week minimum. legs were my weak point. 350 lbs on the sled pre tren, 550 post. kept 90% of strength gains.
no sides at 90 mg.
increased aggression (noticeable)
ramped up sex drive.
dryer joints. more irritating than painful. only felt it in elbows.
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nice! what did you use a your pct?
 
Okay I have tried 3 different "Tren product"
Trenaplex - This got a shredded and I had a very europhoric and alpha feeling. Strength gains were good, I gained 5 lbs but it was all lean mass. Bp was not too bad either.
Trenadrol - Strength gains were good, it was pretty dry also. bp was pretty bad. I was pretty agressive at times.
Xtreme Tren - I went from 207 to 225 from this. The gain were WET as hell. Strength were off the roof. Bp was horrible, I had bloody nose and headache quite often. I was easily aggrevated and would snap like an ahole. My libido went to sh*t after a week.
 
Okay here is something I found quite interesing. Anabolic Formulations is the maker of Trenaplex "Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione 25mg" and now they have another product out called 13-Ethyl "13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2,5(10)-Diene-17-One 25mg" this make me to believe that they are not the same compound. The trenaplex is about $15 cheaper than the 13-Ethyl. Any rep from BCS labs can chime in on the differences between trenaplex and 13-ethyl?
 
Liftingstud said:
Just a little update... begining week 3 and havent bumped anything up since gains are still steady. Right now taking 30mg Havoc and 70mg CycloTren. Up 12 lbs. Have to say this is definately a awesome stack. Everytime I step on the scale I keep moving up and up. Seems to be all pretty lean, since I can still see my abs. Definately look a lot fuller in the mirror but I guess that is what 12lbs will do, LOL!!!
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12lbs in 3 weeks????
 
Big3upgrade said:
Okay here is something I found quite interesing. Anabolic Formulations is the maker of Trenaplex "Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione 25mg" and now they have another product out called 13-Ethyl "13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2,5(10)-Diene-17-One 25mg" this make me to believe that they are not the same compound. The trenaplex is about $15 cheaper than the 13-Ethyl. Any rep from BCS labs can chime in on the differences between trenaplex and 13-ethyl?
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trenaplex and 13 ethyl are two different compounds. The 13- ethyl is the same as Max LMG by ALRI. It is a wet compound used for bulking. Trenaplex, as an estra-4 is the same as the 19-nor. I posted about these two compounds on the first page of the write up. The estra-4/19-nor is the starting compound for trenadrol but less bioactive. This is not to say that it is a prosteroid to trenadrol, but rather that it is a steroid in its own right.

If you find any noteworthy info on the 13-ethyl, posted by reputable sources, let me know. I'll add it to the first page.
 
musclekid17 said:
nice! what did you use a your pct?
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PCT was retarded easy. i did nolva (stupid me, should have been clomid), test booster, milk thistle, and a crapload of eggs.

to make a better pct, do it with clomid 100/75/50/50. i'm not prone to any side effects of tren apparently, so for me it was the absolute best.
 
Big3upgrade said:
Trenaplex - This got a shredded and I had a very europhoric and alpha feeling. Strength gains were good, I gained 5 lbs but it was all lean mass. Bp was not too bad either.

Xtreme Tren - I went from 207 to 225 from this. The gain were WET as hell. Strength were off the roof. Bp was horrible, I had bloody nose and headache quite often. I was easily aggrevated and would snap like an ahole. My libido went to sh*t after a week.
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trenaplex and xtremetren are the same compounds. i wonder why one was "wet" and the other "dry." Were your diets/routines the same? Were you stacking them with anything else?
 
The wealth of information on 'tren' based compounds here is awesome. Can anyone of you guys shed some light on this new designer PH from the UK called Tren-Bomb?

It is meant to be some DHT derived androgen, massively effective for mass and strength, with virtual no liver toxicity. I can't find any literature on Google or net anywhere, and Im not a chemist. Can anyone take a look at this designer PH and let me know what it is/might do? Supposed to be a 'tren' based compound....

17-beta-hydroxy-androstan-4-one at 10mg per capsule.
 
edwards said:
trenaplex and xtremetren are the same compounds. i wonder why one was "wet" and the other "dry." Were your diets/routines the same? Were you stacking them with anything else?
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No I did'nt. I did trenaplex alone. I however did a bridge extreme tren for 4 weeks than 4 weeks of epidrol. During 4th week of extreme tren I was bloated as hell and the gain were pretty wet. I have taken epidrol before and it always leaned me up. I personally thought extreme tren would be dry but that was'nt the case. I probably wont ever take tren again, but if you want crazy strength increase and massive gain than extreme tren is a good route.
 
dienedrone from AMS is what im about to run

anyone have any experience with this product?
 
can you guys let me know about trenadrol, i keep hearing different views on it being methoxyTRN, and i just saw a thread where kilosports announced it to be and estra 4, anyone know about it, i have 3 bottles of it.
 
I finished up a couple weeks ago of a 6 week Tren (19-Nor) cycle. Like this: 100/100/100/100/150/150. The last 2 weeks of the Tren and the first 2 weeks of PCT I used Estro Xtreme, and the full 4 weeks of PCT was a test booster. No sides at all, I think maybe 3 days I got lower back pumps ( water and taurine helps), but thats it, gained 15lbs. And I had bloodwork done and alls good. IMO I don't think a SERM is necessary.
 
crazyfool405 said:
can you guys let me know about trenadrol, i keep hearing different views on it being methoxyTRN, and i just saw a thread where kilosports announced it to be and estra 4, anyone know about it, i have 3 bottles of it.
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I have always seen trenadrol for sale as 17b methoxy trienbolone. It is possible that kilo is releasing another batch as the estra 4 compound. you should send them an email to confirm then report back a copy of it
 
edwards said:
I have always seen trenadrol for sale as 17b methoxy trienbolone. It is possible that kilo is releasing another batch as the estra 4 compound. you should send them an email to confirm then report back a copy of it
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Notice the little "TM" attached to the words "17b methoxy trienbolone". That name is merely a trademark for the chemical in question and has no bearing on what trenadrol really is.
 
edwards said:
I have always seen trenadrol for sale as 17b methoxy trienbolone. It is possible that kilo is releasing another batch as the estra 4 compound. you should send them an email to confirm then report back a copy of it
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i did like 2 weeks ago and i didnt hear anything back
 
little up date... up 14.5lbs and that was sun. yesterday was an off day so hitting arms today let you know where the weight is probably up another 2lbs or so, that seems to be the norm every other day.
 
i asked pat arnold, he said that whn he tested it , it tested out to estra 4/ 19 nor sooo i think im gunna go by that. which can be why its 30mg per cap. too bad only 60 cap bottles.
 
crazyfool405 said:
i asked pat arnold, he said that whn he tested it , it tested out to estra 4/ 19 nor sooo i think im gunna go by that. which can be why its 30mg per cap. too bad only 60 cap bottles.
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yeah if it is dosed at 30mg/cap then probably 19-nor compound... Methoxy-TRN or 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone by ALRI was dosed at 1.5mg/cap
 
Yeah Crazy, AMS 19 nor is a 50mg dose. I want to see some logs of it before I take it tho.
 
I have seen a few places that seem to still sell the 3mg "Tren" caps. Was there ever a verdict as to exactly what was in them?

I remember people saying that whatever was in the 3mg tabs was way more powerful then any of the later 30mg 19nor's

Haha the whole thing is pretty darn confusing
 
striking said:
I have seen a few places that seem to still sell the 3mg "Tren" caps. Was there ever a verdict as to exactly what was in them?

I remember people saying that whatever was in the 3mg tabs was way more powerful then any of the later 30mg 19nor's

Haha the whole thing is pretty darn confusing
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I think the 3mg caps is similar to the orginal ALRI compound (Methoxy-TRN) 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone which is usually dosed 1.5-6mg.

I could be 17b-methoxytrienosterone which was Methoxy-TST and the usual dosage is 2-6mg

It is very confusing since all the 19-nor compounds are not even tren. It is diene which was discussed earlier.
 
striking said:
I have seen a few places that seem to still sell the 3mg "Tren" caps. Was there ever a verdict as to exactly what was in them?

I remember people saying that whatever was in the 3mg tabs was way more powerful then any of the later 30mg 19nor's

Haha the whole thing is pretty darn confusing
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ive never seen 3mg caps whaty product
 
KILO SPORTS

KS Trenadrol 60 caps
Supplement Facts:

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving:

17b-methoxy-Trienbolone: 3mg

Have link to store if you want it.
 
crazyfool405 said:
PM me, i have 3 bottle of trenadrol and they say 30mg
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When it first came out it was labeled 3mg, then a rep came on a board and said something about Kilo changing it but I can't remember why.

I to like many other believe Trenadrol is spiked with Methyltrienolone so users becareful and don't go overboard with this compound.

Copied from a steroid profile site.

Well, it was never commercially marketed for use in humans, and has been relegated to Steroid-Purgatory, to be used only in studies. I´d probably rate it on around the same level as taking very high doses of halotestin or methyltestosterone. And I´d probably recommend that people keep doses of this product very low, much lower than recommended doses typical of the other 2 compounds I just mentioned (i.e. 500-750mcgs/day, for not much longer than 3-4 weeks). I have had the good fortune to discuss this product with the owner of an Underground Lab, and he had given out several samples of this stuff to athletes he knew, and they all kept records and got regular bloodwork done. People who were in the 2mg/day range developed highly elevated liver enzymes and Jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin). They all recovered, and through trial and error, a 500-750mcg dose was found to be (*relatively) safe, and (*roughly) as effective as 150-225mgs of Trenbolone Acetate.
 
Here is a picture of what is claimed ot be 3mg version of it.
 

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Yeah it appears the the site never updated it's info on the bottles and even though it says 3mg it ends up being 30mg bottles GO Figure :rolleyes:
 
ok so i,m a little confused , thats normal i guess , but is the consensis that mega tren and 17b methoxy trienbolone is not good ? or what
 
WATERLOGGED said:
ok so i,m a little confused , thats normal i guess , but is the consensis that mega tren and 17b methoxy trienbolone is not good ? or what
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I would say thats its very potent, good compound. I think people need to treat it with the same respect as other hardcore designer such as M1T, Superdrol and Phera.
 
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