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"Tren" Designer Information / Write-Up

SelfKnowledge said:
I hear mixed views on this! Can anyone else say anything about the PCT for this? There are some that always say you need a SERM with every PCT and others who say OTC PCT is more than sufficient. Can anyone else chime in on their thoughts of an OTC PCT for tren?

....Reversitol has some good info backing it. They also did blood tests with a bold/mdrol cycle and everything turned out great.
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I ran an 8 week cycle of Tren Extreme

PCT:
estro extreme
Tribulus
and milk thistle

I gained about 10-12lbs and kept about 8-9lbs. I did catch a pretty bad cold when I got off though making my gains that much harder to keep. and I wasn't eating as much as i could have on cycle.

I think if i wouldn't have got sick and ate twice as much on cycle I would have kept it all and some more.
 
Bwhit said:
I ran an 8 week cycle of Tren Extreme

PCT:
estro extreme
Tribulus
and milk thistle

I gained about 10-12lbs and kept about 8-9lbs. I did catch a pretty bad cold when I got off though making my gains that much harder to keep. and I wasn't eating as much as i could have on cycle.

I think if i wouldn't have got sick and ate twice as much on cycle I would have kept it all and some more.
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you mean you ran 8 weeks of TX, ran an OTC PCT and didnt shrivel up, cry like a woman and die?

LOL

Most around here would have you taking toxic doses of serms for 4 weeks..........lol.

Sucks you got sick in PCT......... did you keep the strength gains?
 
Kristofer68SS said:
you mean you ran 8 weeks of TX, ran an OTC PCT and didnt shrivel up, cry like a woman and die?

LOL

Most around here would have you taking toxic doses of serms for 4 weeks..........lol.

Sucks you got sick in PCT......... did you keep the strength gains?
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LOL i know huh! My only side effect was stretch marks from growing too fast. They are right in my arm pit. For the most part I did keep my strength gains. I say that because on bench press it sky rocketed and went back down but I think it just had to do with my attitude and recovering from a cold. Cuz Im right back to where I was now.

on bench I maxed 225lbs and was repping 185lbs 8-10 times. And I weighed 155lbs. I think my body fat was close to 3%.

Before I started taking it I maxed at about 185lbs. When I first started working out I repped 95lbs haha. and weighed about 125lbs @ 5'11''

Now I weigh 160lbs and Im not taking anything. So yes I was very happy with my results and would do it again.

It was my first time doing a PH too. I've been to the doctores and BP came back normal and im still horny. hmm. wtf is wrong with me i did a ph and im healthy, buff, and horny!? JK im just fortunate. PHs are very serious and should be researched.:dance:
 
I know alot of younger guys in the gym that ran/run that stuff. The only complaints i heard were some libido loss during cycle and after the cycle.

And coming off..........lol............

Glad to hear you rebounded alright.

Later.

I definately agree. PCT should not be taken lightly and all PH/PS compounds taken should be heavily researched.
 
Just stumbled onto this thread and it is of interest to me as i'm currently running 30 mg of AX Phera-plex stacked with 4 mg of Mega-TRN.

In reading through some of the posts, perhaps stacking a progestin like Mega-TRN with an aromatizable compound such as PP was not the best idea. I am however too far into my cycle to start messing with it.

Also, since I have it on hand, I will use Clomid in PCT instead of Nolva as I had originally planned. Only thing that worries me is that I've heard countless guys talk about how you should not be on Clomid longer than a week due to the sides (i.e. emotional) that go along with it.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
Ninjo said:
Just stumbled onto this thread and it is of interest to me as i'm currently running 30 mg of AX Phera-plex stacked with 4 mg of Mega-TRN.

In reading through some of the posts, perhaps stacking a progestin like Mega-TRN with an aromatizable compound such as PP was not the best idea. I am however too far into my cycle to start messing with it.

Also, since I have it on hand, I will use Clomid in PCT instead of Nolva as I had originally planned. Only thing that worries me is that I've heard countless guys talk about how you should not be on Clomid longer than a week due to the sides (i.e. emotional) that go along with it.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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ive had no sides, and i just took my last dose of clomid 5 minutes ago. i did clomid for about 4 weeks, (2 days shy) and no emotional problems,

i think those problems arise at 150mg and higher, but evfery one reacts differently
 
Ninjo said:
Just stumbled onto this thread and it is of interest to me as i'm currently running 30 mg of AX Phera-plex stacked with 4 mg of Mega-TRN.

In reading through some of the posts, perhaps stacking a progestin like Mega-TRN with an aromatizable compound such as PP was not the best idea. I am however too far into my cycle to start messing with it.

Also, since I have it on hand, I will use Clomid in PCT instead of Nolva as I had originally planned. Only thing that worries me is that I've heard countless guys talk about how you should not be on Clomid longer than a week due to the sides (i.e. emotional) that go along with it.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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PP doesn't aromatize bro. The "wet" gains that some people get supposedly comes from some type of mineral imbalance.
 
supersize77 said:
PP doesn't aromatize bro. The "wet" gains that some people get supposedly comes from some type of mineral imbalance.
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good to know...my confusion is likely due to the gains from Phera often being referred to as "wet" which typically means that the compound aromatizes
 
Ninjo said:
good to know...my confusion is likely due to the gains from Phera often being referred to as "wet" which typically means that the compound aromatizes
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Yeah, it has confused many people, myself included.:fool2: That should be a great stack you have going though...incredible strength gains.:clean::clean::clean:
 
supersize77 said:
Yeah, it has confused many people, myself included.:fool2: That should be a great stack you have going though...incredible strength gains.:clean::clean::clean:
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Loving the stack so far bro...i didn't add the Mega-TRN until the start of week 2. I got two more weeks to go and strength is already up quite a bit. :woohoo:
 
Going to start a pulsing cycle of Trenadrol (60 mg on off days) in mid November for 6 weeks. At the 4 week mark I am going to stack with MMV2, and I-GH-1 for the last 4 weeks. I still have mixed emotions re: the PCT. I originally figured that I would use formadrol (OTC) and a test booster for my PCT. But after reading this thread, I am wondering if that will be sufficient enough, or if I should consider Clomid. Has anybody used a OTC PCT product, vs. Clomid with these products. I figured if I pulsed the Tren that would minimize my shutdown, and that I should be OK.

Any opinions?
 
TheDempster said:
Going to start a pulsing cycle of Trenadrol (60 mg on off days) in mid November for 6 weeks. At the 4 week mark I am going to stack with MMV2, and I-GH-1 for the last 4 weeks. I still have mixed emotions re: the PCT. I originally figured that I would use formadrol (OTC) and a test booster for my PCT. But after reading this thread, I am wondering if that will be sufficient enough, or if I should consider Clomid. Has anybody used a OTC PCT product, vs. Clomid with these products. I figured if I pulsed the Tren that would minimize my shutdown, and that I should be OK.

Any opinions?
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depends on what you have lined up for OTC PCT........i think clomid would definately be a good base to build from. Low dose, 25-50mg ED for 3-4 weeks should get you going pretty good.
 
u guys talk about clomid and nolva like is totally legal and easy to get :-@

I know the drill with those two but...
 
Excellent write up OP!

I do need to share some chem knowledge though...
Chemistry nomenclature:
19-Nor and Estra are the same thing.
Estra is really the more common "chemical" term. The word "Nor" means there is no methyl group at the listed position.
Compare nandrolone and trenbolone molecules and look at the "19" position.

Also, I've tested Trenadrol and it is Esta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione as PA has stated.
I'm not sure of the "3mg" version...I honestly think it's a misprint.

Also remember just because it has a listed ingredient on the bottle doesn't necessarily mean that is what you are getting.
Unfortunately that's life in the PH industry...:sad:
 
I have 2 "tren" questions.
1. Was ALRI Methoxy-Trn banned or simply discontinued (thus legal to sell or possess)?
2. ALRI Methoxy-Trn = Generic Labz Mega-Trn right? (like DS Superdrol = AX Superdrol)
 
camaleon said:
u guys talk about clomid and nolva like is totally legal and easy to get :-@

I know the drill with those two but...
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As someone from the United Kingdom who reads posts regularly on AM forum and in particular the steroid posts , I do get the impression that steroids and other drugs associated with bodybuilding are freely available and easy to access .I just wonder what control there is on these drugs and how its "policed" by the US government.
In the UK some drugs are available at the pharmacy and require no doctors prescription (his authority for the pharmacist to dispense a drug) All drugs used in BB would have to be prescribed.Im not saying that such drugs are not available on the blackmarket in the UK (just a matter of knowing someone who knows someone etc) or sourcing via the internet, just that steroids etc do seem to be talked about as though they were as easy to purchase as sweets
 
GotTest said:
Excellent write up OP!

I do need to share some chem knowledge though...
Chemistry nomenclature:
19-Nor and Estra are the same thing.
Estra is really the more common "chemical" term. The word "Nor" means there is no methyl group at the listed position.
Compare nandrolone and trenbolone molecules and look at the "19" position.

Also, I've tested Trenadrol and it is Esta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione as PA has stated.
I'm not sure of the "3mg" version...I honestly think it's a misprint.

Also remember just because it has a listed ingredient on the bottle doesn't necessarily mean that is what you are getting.
Unfortunately that's life in the PH industry...:sad:
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so your saying Kilosports trenadrol is just tren xtreme? 19-nor/estra 4?
 
thedarkest1 said:
Fantastic list. I notice that the 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one hits the Tren list just as 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene-3,17 dione.

Ive used both on seperate cycles in the hope of gaining lean, dry, muscle and good solid strength gains. The 13-ethyl was promoted by the brand to deliver lean, dry gains and a massive rise in libido. I found my libido was killed a sudden death!!! And on Anabolic Minds there is a general consensus that the 13-ethyl compound generates soaking wet gains, and does in fact the opposite to your libido than the manufacturer's 'anti deca-****' claims.

Am I correct that results on these vary wildly, and is there anything you can take while on a cycle of 13-ethyl to counter the massive drop in libido?
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your results are EXACTLY what is to be expected with that compound, the results DONT vary wildly with that one, its a fairly old designer as far as most of these go and thats always been the typical result. Whatever manufacturer you used was flat out full of it and probably thinking they were releasing a different compound altogether or just flat out didnt do their homework, I mean hell even reg tren can shoot your libido without test.

Your best bet for countering that libido drop would be a test like compound, which there are very little in existence nowadays. DHEA and especially the form of Primordial performaces Dermacrine would currently be your best Legal bet BUT there is still always 4-AD if it can be found or going the injectable route. M-tst would likely have been the best bet for more recent versions BUT this one lacks the anabolic properties of test and holds mainly only the androgenic... it may or may not serve as a proper substitution and libido enhancer, that would have to be a trial and error situation. That stack would likely be overwhelming when androgenic sides are taken into consideration though.




Nice little list BUT I truely think the ONLY one that comes close to an oral Tren is the original versions of the Methoxy Trienbolone form ALRI and then GL. These actually brought on KILLER strength gains and little but very dry and maintainable mass gains along with some fat loss. This would be ideal stacked again with a true test option (or prohormone) or even something that would add similar type wet gains like Phera-Plex or ErgoMax LMG.

Its too bad that most of the copy cats of this one have been far from the same although they do hold their own benefits they definitely are not the same compound by any means.
 
SelfKnowledge said:
I hear mixed views on this! Can anyone else say anything about the PCT for this? There are some that always say you need a SERM with every PCT and others who say OTC PCT is more than sufficient. Can anyone else chime in on their thoughts of an OTC PCT for tren?

....Reversitol has some good info backing it. They also did blood tests with a bold/mdrol cycle and everything turned out great.
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This cracks me the hell up. You ask a question, get a response that you dont want to hear then you decide to ignore the advice and refer to some study put out by a company not a third party and say its gonna be cookie cutter situation for all compounds and all people cause they recovered on thus and such with reverstitol alone.

This is the problem with the boards nowadays, always wanting the fast easy route out and then complain later and blame the compound for a dead libido months on end and possibly gyno cause the compound did it not your own crappy PCT.

USE A SERM! these are REAL steroids not some weak compounds that can be counteracted by downing some herbs and simple steroidal AI's (that can be suppresive themselves and leave a possibility of est rebound upon cessation).
 
NasD said:
I have 2 "tren" questions.
1. Was ALRI Methoxy-Trn banned or simply discontinued (thus legal to sell or possess)?
2. ALRI Methoxy-Trn = Generic Labz Mega-Trn right? (like DS Superdrol = AX Superdrol)
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1 yes
2 yes


GL was the ONLY company to get the exact same compound as the original ALRI compound as AL REA (owner of ALRI) gave them the rest of his raws and then the supplier for the compound when he decided to back out the PH/PS/DS game.

It was never revealed what the trademark name Methoxy trienbolone ever was and thus NO companies have a chance at making an accurate clone. They are all likely something else altogether new or random but most likely just an estra/19-nor type product.

Im pretty sure trenadrol was NEVER the same compound even when labeled at 3mg as people were getting massive wet gains from that as well as some good strength, whereas the two M-TRN's were very dry very minimal mass gains but fat loss and TONS of strength were present.... I think that Trenadrol/kilo realized this themselves and changed the mg dosing to 30mg to try and make it right even though they dont even change the compound name.....
 
corsaking said:
As someone from the United Kingdom who reads posts regularly on AM forum and in particular the steroid posts , I do get the impression that steroids and other drugs associated with bodybuilding are freely available and easy to access .I just wonder what control there is on these drugs and how its "policed" by the US government.
In the UK some drugs are available at the pharmacy and require no doctors prescription (his authority for the pharmacist to dispense a drug) All drugs used in BB would have to be prescribed.Im not saying that such drugs are not available on the blackmarket in the UK (just a matter of knowing someone who knows someone etc) or sourcing via the internet, just that steroids etc do seem to be talked about as though they were as easy to purchase as sweets
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Screw the black market! You can buy them legally. In the UK you can legally import all steroids and ancillary drugs for personal use. So long as you don't sell them to anyone you're fine.

It's a hell of a lot easier than in the states.
 
HardTrainer said:
Screw the black market! You can buy them legally. In the UK you can legally import all steroids and ancillary drugs for personal use. So long as you don't sell them to anyone you're fine.

It's a hell of a lot easier than in the states.
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Seriously! Never knew that. Does not help me but that is interesting.
 
*update* I've been taking TestraFlex (estra comp.) for nearly two weeks at 50mg. I'm going to bump to 75 on Sun. So far, very little noticeable effects. I got sick a few days ago somthing fierce. Bad sore throat, sniffles, aches. It sucked. I'm resting up and will hit the gym again on Mon. I ordered some of the good shyt from England (the ALRI TRN) and hope to jump on that stuff by the end of next week. If the TestraFlex doesn't kick in by then I'm going to toss the rest of it. Maybe I'm under dosing it. I don't feel "on" at all. Time will tell...
 
edwards said:
*update* I've been taking TestraFlex (estra comp.) for nearly two weeks at 50mg. I'm going to bump to 75 on Sun. So far, very little noticeable effects. I got sick a few days ago somthing fierce. Bad sore throat, sniffles, aches. It sucked. I'm resting up and will hit the gym again on Mon. I ordered some of the good shyt from England (the ALRI TRN) and hope to jump on that stuff by the end of next week. If the TestraFlex doesn't kick in by then I'm going to toss the rest of it. Maybe I'm under dosing it. I don't feel "on" at all. Time will tell...
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50 mg is too low.....

typical dose for tren compounds are 75-100mg.

from what i hear, the trn is sick for strength.
 
is a good thread, but have a lot of different opinion!
i want to start a cycle with "tren" compound, like tren xtreme (t.roid) to achieve an increase in strenght, a little bit of mass, no or little fat gain. But now i have read that some people, like thedarkeast1 haven't a good gain, and killed libido.
So, for my goal is more suitable trenadol?
And i understand that nolvadex is not good choice,but now i have this, is areally bad idea to use?
 
I heard trenadrol is the best out of all the wanna be tren clones. I loved trn at 6mgs a day for precontest though.
 
homer said:
is a good thread, but have a lot of different opinion!
i want to start a cycle with "tren" compound, like tren xtreme (t.roid) to achieve an increase in strenght, a little bit of mass, no or little fat gain. But now i have read that some people, like thedarkeast1 haven't a good gain, and killed libido.
So, for my goal is more suitable trenadol?
And i understand that nolvadex is not good choice,but now i have this, is areally bad idea to use?
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Speaking of libido loss/ shutdown during cycle, I read that it will boost libido in the first 2 weeks for most users and that libido will drop dramatically afterwards.

I wonder if adding DHEA at maybe 200mg ed or eod would help here? What do ya think?

Also, would DHEA be a good addition to PCT?

~abuleh
 
30mgs. When it first came out it was the 3mgs dosage, and I assumed it was like Mega-trn. Unless we have a coa, we will be confused :wtf:
 
Kristofer68SS said:
so your saying Kilosports trenadrol is just tren xtreme? 19-nor/estra 4?
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Never tested those, so I'm not sure what's in them.
I can tell you that just cause somethings written on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle.
I trust my instruments over the labels any day.
 
GotTest said:
Never tested those, so I'm not sure what's in them.
I can tell you that just cause somethings written on the label doesn't mean that's what's in the bottle.
I trust my instruments over the labels any day.
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how much trenadrol would you need to run a test on it?

i gave 3 bottles.?

i mean i dont wanna give up too much but i can give up a few pills lol yano for the sake of science
 
crazyfool405 said:
how much trenadrol would you need to run a test on it?

i gave 3 bottles.?

i mean i dont wanna give up too much but i can give up a few pills lol yano for the sake of science
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My boss would have my nuts :run:
He's "OK" if I test my own stuff, but that was a "borderline" decision on his part.

As far as the Tren products go...I've only tested the Trenadrol or Troid. If the Tren product your using does NOT get you stronger...probably ain't tren.

I'm not at liberty to tell you the bogus Tren products I've tested. I promised a rep if my refund was handled professionally I would not go public. Man of my word! :D

Side note...Handle all product complaints with reps through PM. If you get no where...then bring it public.
 
since this is the all things "tren" thread, I'm guessing the Estra-9/19-Nors will be no more soon?? They are out of stock everywhere (at least the 30mg 90 cap versions). I knew they were on the chopping block but thought they would re-appear like Phera clones did.
 
AMS has a 50mg 19nor called Dienedrone still selling. They just began some apps for loging it.
 
poopypants said:
1 yes
2 yes


GL was the ONLY company to get the exact same compound as the original ALRI compound as AL REA (owner of ALRI) gave them the rest of his raws and then the supplier for the compound when he decided to back out the PH/PS/DS game.

It was never revealed what the trademark name Methoxy trienbolone ever was and thus NO companies have a chance at making an accurate clone. They are all likely something else altogether new or random but most likely just an estra/19-nor type product.

Im pretty sure trenadrol was NEVER the same compound even when labeled at 3mg as people were getting massive wet gains from that as well as some good strength, whereas the two M-TRN's were very dry very minimal mass gains but fat loss and TONS of strength were present.... I think that Trenadrol/kilo realized this themselves and changed the mg dosing to 30mg to try and make it right even though they dont even change the compound name.....
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So you said this product is banned or just simply discontinued? I am interested in giving it a run and can source it online (overseas). But I don't want to order if it is illegal in the US.
 
my understanding is that it was only discontinued. I and many others have bought it across the pond and had it delivered no problem.
 
trenadrol

i'm considering doing a trenadrol/havoc cycle...i've been doing research like a mad man and there is a crap load of info out there. From what i gather from page one of this post is that trenadrol is a pretty aggressive agent to give u gyno...would this assumption be correct or is trenadrol comparable to most other ph's?
 
generally speaking, assume every PH/AAS could give you gyno and take the necessary precations to protect against it IMHO.
 
i read many mention p5p to help with prolactin

what is the max dosing u guys are using
 
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