Test- Enanthate...advice please!

devilsadvo

devilsadvo

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hi guys!

please dont flame me as i am doing research but just need some advice...

if i buy 3 x250mg amps Test- Enanthate and i need 500mg per week then is this a week and a half worth of Test- Enanthate (if that makes sense)

i know i have to inject once a week or should i do 250mg on mon and 250 on fri?. i am planning a 8 week cycle.
do i inject the full 500mg (2amps) at the start of the week?
if so where is the best place on the body and what size needles?
what support supps could i use?
clomid or nolvadex?
thanks
 
You can find all those answers with a simple search. But I'll help ya out a bit.

8 weeks probably isn't long enough. Plan for 10-12. Yes you need 2 a week. Like on Saturday-Tuesday. 3cc 23gauge pins should do you fine.

Now, thats all the help ya get from me. DO SOME RESEARCH. You really aren't ready to do this if you cant answer those questions. There is a whole section of this board dedicated to Post Cycle Therapy. I suggest you read it until you understand it.
 
RedwolfWV said:
You can find all those answers with a simple search. But I'll help ya out a bit.

8 weeks probably isn't long enough. Plan for 10-12. Yes you need 2 a week. Like on Saturday-Tuesday. 3cc 23gauge pins should do you fine.

Now, thats all the help ya get from me. DO SOME RESEARCH. You really aren't ready to do this if you cant answer those questions. There is a whole section of this board dedicated to Post Cycle Therapy. I suggest you read it until you understand it.
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SEARCH....STUDY....TAKE NOTES.....STUDY....etc. :)
 
If you have 250mg amps, and you want to do 500mg/week, you need two per week. For a 12 week cycle, you will need 24.
 
ok, thanks guys,

i have found some good web pages i am going through, i am becoming more clear on what i need to do. i am not planning on starting til the start of november so i have a bit of time to get in the know!

need to sort of needle sizes etc also
 
devilsadvo said:
ok, thanks guys,

i have found some good web pages i am going through, i am becoming more clear on what i need to do. i am not planning on starting til the start of november so i have a bit of time to get in the know!

need to sort of needle sizes etc also
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glutes/thighs, 23g 1inch
 
ok, thanks, i will get the 23g 1inch with the 3ml syringe. as they are amps... i do not need another needle to initially draw the test into the syringe...or am i wrong?
thanks
 
nosnmiveins said:
glutes/thighs, 23g 1inch
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are delts better to pin than quads for a beginner? I hear about a lot of pain from quad shots, i was planning on glute/delt rotation
 
even with test e amps?i thought they were glass amps that you broke, therefore the needle wouldnt be blunted when drawing,
thanks again n.veins
 
A 25g pin would work too. just takes a little longer to get the oil in there.
 
If your careful, you wont need a 2nd needle. But it sure wouldn't hurt to invest in a box of them. They are cheap.
 
You'll want arimidex 0.25 mg EOD or nolvadex 10 mg ED to reduce estrogen induced water retention.

I have never done a test cycle so I can't speak from experience, but I have seen what a person doing 500 mg a week of sustanon looks like and it isn't very appealing. It also makes it very obvious you are taking steroids.
 
Space said:
You'll want arimidex 0.25 mg EOD or nolvadex 10 mg ED to reduce estrogen induced water retention.

I have never done a test cycle so I can't speak from experience, but I have seen what a person doing 500 mg a week of sustanon looks like and it isn't very appealing. It also makes it very obvious you are taking steroids.
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what does ED mean?are you saying that i will nedd it on hand if i develop gyno?
 
devilsadvo said:
what does ED mean?are you saying that i will nedd it on hand if i develop gyno?
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ED means every day, EOD means every other day.

Testosterone directly converts to estrogen through aromatisation. It's important to realise that during a cycle of testosterone you will have high levels of circulating estrogen and this is associated with gynecomastia if you are susceptible and water retention contributing to edema.

Many people trying their first cycle of testosterone opt to use short acting esters such as testosterone propionate and inject every 3rd day to monitor their bodies response to high levels of estrogen and discontinue use as soon as gynecomastia appears. If you use long acting esters like testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate or mixtures such as sustanon you are left with 14 days of activity after noticing the first signs of gynecomastia.

The edema associated with high doses of testosterone is quite significant giving the person a puffy and bloated appearance (google image search "michelin man" for an example). This is only temporary and will subside after PCT, but you should be aware you won't look quite normal during your cycle and a significant amount of your gains will be water.

To reduce edema associated with high doses of testosterone there are 2 options. Use arimidex 0.25 mg EOD to reduce aromatisation of testosterone to estrogen thereby reducing circulating estrogen or use nolvadex 10 mg ED during cycle to block the activity of circulating estrogen.

Personally I am very reluctant to try a cycle of testosterone and wouldn't consider it without arimidex.
 
Space said:
ED means every day, EOD means every other day.

Testosterone directly converts to estrogen through aromatisation. It's important to realise that during a cycle of testosterone you will have high levels of circulating estrogen and this is associated with gynecomastia if you are susceptible and water retention contributing to edema.

Many people trying their first cycle of testosterone opt to use short acting esters such as testosterone propionate and inject every 3rd day to monitor their bodies response to high levels of estrogen and discontinue use as soon as gynecomastia appears. If you use long acting esters like testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate or mixtures such as sustanon you are left with 14 days of activity after noticing the first signs of gynecomastia.

The edema associated with high doses of testosterone is quite significant giving the person a puffy and bloated appearance (google image search "michelin man" for an example). This is only temporary and will subside after PCT, but you should be aware you won't look quite normal during your cycle and a significant amount of your gains will be water.

To reduce edema associated with high doses of testosterone there are 2 options. Use arimidex 0.25 mg EOD to reduce aromatisation of testosterone to estrogen thereby reducing circulating estrogen or use nolvadex 10 mg ED during cycle to block the activity of circulating estrogen.

Personally I am very reluctant to try a cycle of testosterone and wouldn't consider it without arimidex.
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that makes a lot of sense, how would i take the arimidex?what would you say is better- reducing aromatisation...or...block the activity. if i have to inject the arimidex then i would go for nolvadex 10mg every day
 
I think slower is better to allow the oil to get into the muscle better and not pool up if you inject too rapidly.

i've heard a solid 10 seconds to inject

then wait a few seconds before pulling the needle out so that no oil follows the pin out
 
Honestly, I believe people really over think a lot of this stuff. Just jab the needle in, aspirate, and push down on the plunger. If you think about the way they give shots at the hospital its wicked fast, and I've never had any issues from those injections.
 
I shoot in the delts, I used to in the glute but found the delts so much nicer for me. If u shoot it wrong in the glute you look like you just showered in prison. The Delts you get to see exactly what you are doing. But that's just me.

Question on Arimdex, wouldn't this hurt libido a lot wven while on Test? Would running Havoc or Epristane for weeks 4-14 on a 12 week cycle (Test being run for 12 weeks) at 30 mg a day prevent the bloating? I was going to do this but I didn't feel like doing Test this summer just because of the bloat. I did it last year and yes i looked like the Michelin Man. i looked good right after PCT. So my question is is this a smart thing to do with Havoc? Does anyone disagree with this?
 
nosnmiveins said:
Nolva will not help with water retention.
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Really? I've always used it to combat water retention and i just asked a couple people who i consider very knowledgeable and they confirmed. But I am also not up on new studies and data etc so can you let me know if something new has come up recently that shows this is not true. It would le tme save all my tamox for PCT
 
mixedup said:
Really? I've always used it to combat water retention and i just asked a couple people who i consider very knowledgeable and they confirmed. But I am also not up on new studies and data etc so can you let me know if something new has come up recently that shows this is not true. It would le tme save all my tamox for PCT
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nolva on cycle basically prevents breast tissue from growing...it doesnt actual stop the armatization (sp?) of test into estro like an AI does.

excess test amaratizes into etrogen...nolva doesnt stop this process...AI's do
 
nosnmiveins said:
nolva on cycle basically prevents breast tissue from growing...it doesnt actual stop the armatization (sp?) of test into estro like an AI does.

excess test amaratizes into etrogen...nolva doesnt stop this process...AI's do
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How about using Havoc while on Test? Will that help at all or no? Using a-dex will that hurt gains a lot and how about sex drive?
 
Havoc/epi have helped me to reduce/eliminate estrogenic side effects while on a heavy test cycle. (In a nutshell, I was developing a small lump under my right nipple. It was gone after 3 weeks of epi/havoc at 20mg/day... your mileage may vary)
 
RedwolfWV said:
Havoc/epi have helped me to reduce/eliminate estrogenic side effects while on a heavy test cycle. (In a nutshell, I was developing a small lump under my right nipple. It was gone after 3 weeks of epi/havoc at 20mg/day... your mileage may vary)
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How bloated were you and how much do you think havoc/Epi helped out? Thanks for the reply.
 
ALJD0812 said:
How about using Havoc while on Test? Will that help at all or no? Using a-dex will that hurt gains a lot and how about sex drive?
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now that ive ran my first cycle, i can clearly say that u dont know how u react to something until u try it.

i ran adex with my dbol (not knowing if i would bloat up or not), so 2 weeks in i quit the adex and i still didnt bloat or have any gyno symptoms.

in that same cycle i incorporated Havoc the last 4 weeks and strength shot way up. weight did too, but because it jumped so fast, once i stopped the Havoc it left. but i do feel like the Havoc helped solidify the test/dbol gains.

i did not notice any sexual side effects with anything
 
ALJD0812 said:
How bloated were you and how much do you think havoc/Epi helped out? Thanks for the reply.
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I don't bloat. Even with 50-75mg Dbol thrown in. Don't know why, just how it works with me. I will start getting extremely nervous though. Then I throw in an AI. Havoc/Epi is more of a SERM. Its not going to reduce your estrogen levels, but it does block it in breast tissue FOR ME. Different people may have different results.
 
RedwolfWV said:
I don't bloat. Even with 50-75mg Dbol thrown in. Don't know why, just how it works with me. I will start getting extremely nervous though. Then I throw in an AI. Havoc/Epi is more of a SERM. Its not going to reduce your estrogen levels, but it does block it in breast tissue FOR ME. Different people may have different results.
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I wish I didn't bloat. I look at dbol and I blow up like a baloon. i will get the a-dex then when I do a test cycle. I just hate that bloat look, looks terrible. :pose:
 
nosnmiveins said:
nolva on cycle basically prevents breast tissue from growing...it doesnt actual stop the armatization (sp?) of test into estro like an AI does.

excess test amaratizes into etrogen...nolva doesnt stop this process...AI's do
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not to argue or anything but from what I remember and was told tamox compete at the receptor site and stops estro from exerting it's affects one being water retention.
 
mixedup said:
not to argue or anything but from what I remember and was told tamox compete at the receptor site and stops estro from exerting it's affects one being water retention.
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That is not correct. It does nothing for water retention. You need an AI for that.
 
devilsadvo said:
that makes a lot of sense, how would i take the arimidex?what would you say is better- reducing aromatisation...or...block the activity. if i have to inject the arimidex then i would go for nolvadex 10mg every day
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Arimidex presents as 1 mg tablets if you buy the patented brand. The patented brand is quite expensive and it's well worth looking for generics or underground labs producing arimidex.

You would go about cutting the pill with a razor into quarters for a 0.25 mg dose to take EOD.

Alternatively if you feel like experimenting you could try taking 600 mg or more 6-oxo ED instead because 6-oxo is also an AI but far less potent without any proven clinical efficacy like arimidex.

In theory the 6-oxo should work to reduce bloat but I haven't tried it or heard any reports of anybody trying this.

I have however heard of people using 10 mg of nolvadex ED to reduce bloat, apparently it works.
 
ALJD0812 said:
Question on Arimdex, wouldn't this hurt libido a lot wven while on Test? Would running Havoc or Epristane for weeks 4-14 on a 12 week cycle (Test being run for 12 weeks) at 30 mg a day prevent the bloating? I was going to do this but I didn't feel like doing Test this summer just because of the bloat. I did it last year and yes i looked like the Michelin Man. i looked good right after PCT. So my question is is this a smart thing to do with Havoc? Does anyone disagree with this?
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I thought about epistane to reduce bloat but a lot of people seem to disagree with claims that epistane reduces bloat.

In real terms you should follow what the professionals use when considering real steroids. Arimidex is proven to work excellently to the point where people were willing to pay exorbitant prices for it before legit generics became available.

Also libido problems are never a concern when using test.
 
if i bought test e in a 10ml bottle...do i just keep drawing 1 ml (250mg) from the same bottle(isnt this unhygenic?), or does a 10ml bottle mean you get 10 x 1 ml vials/amps?
 
devilsadvo said:
if i bought test e in a 10ml bottle...do i just keep drawing 1 ml (250mg) from the same bottle(isnt this unhygenic?), or does a 10ml bottle mean you get 10 x 1 ml vials/amps?
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So long as you use a new needle there is no concerns drawing up from the vial. Don't touch the needle to the bottom of the vial either, this blunts the needle.

Also remember to aspirate the plunger before you inject into the site you have chosen. If you see any blood enter the syringe choose a different site and repeat. This is to ensure you don't inject into a vein.
 
Space said:
So long as you use a new needle there is no concerns drawing up from the vial. Don't touch the needle to the bottom of the vial either, this blunts the needle.

Also remember to aspirate the plunger before you inject into the site you have chosen. If you see any blood enter the syringe choose a different site and repeat. This is to ensure you don't inject into a vein.
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space- just to let you know that i am very greatful for the info you have given me...that also goes to everyone else who have also!

when you say aspirate, does that mean make sure that no bubbles are in the syringe?
 
I'd kick it off BEFORE you finish your epi. Try for at least 2 weeks before, that way the test is starting to come on when you quit epi.
 
devilsadvo said:
space- just to let you know that i am very greatful for the info you have given me...that also goes to everyone else who have also!

when you say aspirate, does that mean make sure that no bubbles are in the syringe?
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No aspirate means once the needle is in pull back on the plunger to make sure no blood goes into the syringe if it does you hit a vein and you DO NOT want to inject your oil into a vein. Just pull out replace the needle and reinject.

Also the vials are sterile vials so do not worry as long as you have a new needle they are designed as multiple draw vials
 
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