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new formestane product

best thing for post cycle i've found. i don't like atd or 6-bromo. the daily dose supplies 2400mg of (bulgarian tribulis, testofen, eurycoma longfolia jack, siberian rhodiola rosea, ecdysterones) and 150mg formestane. awesome strength, libido, and alpha male mentality.
 
Mr.50 said:
Hey that looks pretty good! Anyone here tried it? Results?
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EFF IT! I'm odering a bottle tonight, and see what it has to offer! I'll chime in as soon as I get it, and start using it. I need to get back on my cutting cycle, since I went on vacation for 10 days, and now it has been 3 weeks of no working out, and no dieting:frustrate:pizza::frustrate:frustrate!! See how this contributes to my goals while RE-cutting, LOL! Formestane has allways been good to me when I've used it. Hopefully this turns out to be a legit product!
 
another legitimate option is bcs labs formadex. 2 caps=50mg of what their rep calls pharmaceutical grade formestane. 120 caps for $43. i tried this awhile back when the price was $24, and had good results at 8 caps ed. the bcs rep said this new batch of formestane tested at a very high quality, considerably higher than the batch i used. btw i like dosing formestane on the high dose side, most people would likely not need 8 caps ed.:thumbsup:
 
thebigt said:
another legitimate option is bcs labs formadex. 2 caps=50mg of what their rep calls pharmaceutical grade formestane. 120 caps for $43. i tried this awhile back when the price was $24, and had good results at 8 caps ed. the bcs rep said this new batch of formestane tested at a very high quality, considerably higher than the batch i used. btw i like dosing formestane on the high dose side, most people would likely not need 8 caps ed.:thumbsup:
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So what is the ratio from oral to TD about 3 to 1.
 
DreamWeaver said:
So what is the ratio from oral to TD about 3 to 1.
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normally you would be in the ballpark. but a lot depends on the quality. bcs labs tells me that their formestane is pharmaceutical grade and much better quality than we buy in bulk online. maybe dsade can chime in on this.
 
thebigt said:
normally you would be in the ballpark. but a lot depends on the quality. bcs labs tells me that their formestane is pharmaceutical grade and much better quality than we buy in bulk online. maybe dsade can chime in on this.
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Simple matter of purity. Most run from 94-96% pure. The pharm grade would be at most 99% pure.

Other than possible contaminants by intermediates, the quality difference should merely be one of having to take slightly less, but the active molecules should be identical.
 
Well my worries are postponed, I have been able to get my hands on a couple more E-Form...
 
any new word on this one comin??? I dont just expect things is china to start rollin again withthe end of the olympics BUT that was the main hold up no???

Is this still going to even be pursued?
 
poopypants said:
any new word on this one comin??? I dont just expect things is china to start rollin again withthe end of the olympics BUT that was the main hold up no???

Is this still going to even be pursued?
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Hell yeah this is still being pursued...Formestane is one of the most amazing "feel good and healthy" compounds out there, and I ain't going down without my best fight.

October is the earliest estimate that anyone even wants to CONSIDER bringing stuff live again. From what I read, that is how long it takes the suddenly vigilant bureaucrats in China to become uselessly complacent again.

The whole situation is retarded, for something like Form, but alas is the reality we are faced with.
 
I just wanted to make a couple updates about my staple E-Form dosing, I was running 40 ed for quite a while at which time I would feel it occasionally but not like when I cycle it at 100 ed. I just bumped it up to 80 and felt a good surge, energy and libido, big time on the libido end. (like being 18 again)

I am starting to think that it would be better cycled because I am thinking that I will get used to the dosing. I am thinking 12 weeks on and 4 weeks off at around 80 would be the sweet spot. I would be interested in any suggestions. Maybe the same cycle and gradually bump it up. 4 weeks 60 4 weeks 80 4 weeks 100 sounds promising.
 
620 posts later, i am still holding my breath for this one. starting to turn a little blue, but in for the long haul.:thumbsup:
 
DreamWeaver said:
I am thinking that I will get used to the dosing
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That definately happens to me too. If I start out REALLY low like at 40 or 60, I only get affects for about 4-5 days. Now I increase dosage every 4 days by 20mg to get affects. Once I get over 100, I can get affects for about 6-7 days but still have to keep ramping. I think the highest I've gone was about 240 or 260 for about a week at one point. I don't really see much affect after 6 weeks, so I agree that cycling is required.
 
Have you guys contemplated EOD dosing or E3D dosing???

What your most likely experiencing was exactly what was discussed early on in this thread (or maybe just in other threads Dsade and I were in close to this ideas conception) and that is your

A)Off setting your T:E ratios to that of which is not soo benificial for muscle building and libido support (remember E is needed for normal functioning)

B) the STEROIDAL compound you guys are taking can give you a boost in T due to the reduction of E BUT has intrinsic activity with the AR itself as well and who knows how much competition your making with ever increasing doses of this outside sourced Androgen? Are you even possibly slowing T production and approaching a suppresive amount???

I think the EOD/E3D dosing to allow SOME aromatase to be "resynthisized" by your body and keeping the T:E ratio just right would most likely be ideal for an over all T boosting effect and in turn more muscle gain and libido enhancement long term.

Think of it as a pulse for your aromatase.
 
poopypants said:
Have you guys contemplated EOD dosing or E3D dosing???

What your most likely experiencing was exactly what was discussed early on in this thread (or maybe just in other threads Dsade and I were in close to this ideas conception) and that is your

A)Off setting your T:E ratios to that of which is not soo benificial for muscle building and libido support (remember E is needed for normal functioning)

B) the STEROIDAL compound you guys are taking can give you a boost in T due to the reduction of E BUT has intrinsic activity with the AR itself as well and who knows how much competition your making with ever increasing doses of this outside sourced Androgen? Are you even possibly slowing T production and approaching a suppresive amount???

I think the EOD/E3D dosing to allow SOME aromatase to be "resynthisized" by your body and keeping the T:E ratio just right would most likely be ideal for an over all T boosting effect and in turn more muscle gain and libido enhancement long term.

Think of it as a pulse for your aromatase.
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thats a cool idea!
 
poopypants said:
Have you guys contemplated EOD dosing or E3D dosing???

What your most likely experiencing was exactly what was discussed early on in this thread (or maybe just in other threads Dsade and I were in close to this ideas conception) and that is your

A)Off setting your T:E ratios to that of which is not soo benificial for muscle building and libido support (remember E is needed for normal functioning)

B) the STEROIDAL compound you guys are taking can give you a boost in T due to the reduction of E BUT has intrinsic activity with the AR itself as well and who knows how much competition your making with ever increasing doses of this outside sourced Androgen? Are you even possibly slowing T production and approaching a suppresive amount???

I think the EOD/E3D dosing to allow SOME aromatase to be "resynthisized" by your body and keeping the T:E ratio just right would most likely be ideal for an over all T boosting effect and in turn more muscle gain and libido enhancement long term.

Think of it as a pulse for your aromatase.
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I see your logic poopy. But remember, most usually use form ON cycle or in an nha stack (treating it as a cycle). In both cases, dose aggressively and you get incredible effects. I know you'd love it poopy, you gotta try it bro :head:

The only time I've ever suspected that form was hurting libido was when I ran it alongside torem during a pct. After a few cycles, I've discovered that Torem consistantly kills libido for me (with various AI's or with no AI) and form wasn't to blame. Also just to be fair, several experienced members advised me that form looses it's luster in pct and I didn't heed the warning.

Finally, I've always understood that AI"s have a "ceiling effect" for how much estrogen can be controlled. This creates a saturation point where dosing becomes irrelevant in terms of estrogen control (but still relevant in terms of anabolic effet in the case of form). In other words, higher dosing doesn't always mean less estrogen once the threshold is achieved. It's very possible that I'm completely wrong though so don't take my explanation as gospel by any means.
 
poopypants said:
Have you guys contemplated EOD dosing or E3D dosing???

What your most likely experiencing was exactly what was discussed early on in this thread (or maybe just in other threads Dsade and I were in close to this ideas conception) and that is your

A)Off setting your T:E ratios to that of which is not soo benificial for muscle building and libido support (remember E is needed for normal functioning)

B) the STEROIDAL compound you guys are taking can give you a boost in T due to the reduction of E BUT has intrinsic activity with the AR itself as well and who knows how much competition your making with ever increasing doses of this outside sourced Androgen? Are you even possibly slowing T production and approaching a suppresive amount???

I think the EOD/E3D dosing to allow SOME aromatase to be "resynthisized" by your body and keeping the T:E ratio just right would most likely be ideal for an over all T boosting effect and in turn more muscle gain and libido enhancement long term.

Think of it as a pulse for your aromatase.
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I agree with your logic here spence. I thing E3D though would be the better option. It would be nice to see some additional support through blood work, but that may done with time as well.
 
Trauma1 said:
I agree with your logic here spence. I thing E3D though would be the better option. It would be nice to see some additional support through blood work, but that may done with time as well.
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isnt Dsade lookin into funding something just like that?
 
Trauma1 said:
I agree with your logic here spence. I thing E3D though would be the better option. It would be nice to see some additional support through blood work, but that may done with time as well.
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yes on cycle I agree that this isnt really a factor, your more so going for the combined androgen effect anyhow and not the general reduction of E to increase T. In that case it SHOULD be cycled and a different AI if an chosen to run throughout PCT.

also JMO
 
So instead of 40 a day do 100 3 times a week... sounds good to me. I really have experience a big libido boost since I went up to 80, I just can't get enough.
 
DreamWeaver said:
So instead of 40 a day do 100 3 times a week... sounds good to me. I really have experience a big libido boost since I went up to 80, I just can't get enough.
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I like to burst it and then taper it back and then bam another burst.

I luvs me for some formestane
 
DreamWeaver said:
So instead of 40 a day do 100 3 times a week...
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I actually dabbled with on/off dosing in the past, but I have to admit that it wasn't very systematic. IMO you'll get a libido burst and aggression/motivation burst 3 times per week with the transdermal. And I bet you'll feel pretty flat for the days in between. IMO if it isn't broke, why fix it? But, I'll be here listening open-mindedly if you experience otherwise.
 
celc5 said:
I actually dabbled with on/off dosing in the past, but I have to admit that it wasn't very systematic. IMO you'll get a libido burst and aggression/motivation burst 3 times per week with the transdermal. And I bet you'll feel pretty flat for the days in between. IMO if it isn't broke, why fix it? But, I'll be here listening open-mindedly if you experience otherwise.
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I am undecided really I don't really need a libido boost but it's fun... makes things very enjoyable. I don't know if I would want that every day as it has it's drawbacks but you feel so good at the same time.
 
celc5 said:
I actually dabbled with on/off dosing in the past, but I have to admit that it wasn't very systematic. IMO you'll get a libido burst and aggression/motivation burst 3 times per week with the transdermal. And I bet you'll feel pretty flat for the days in between. IMO if it isn't broke, why fix it? But, I'll be here listening open-mindedly if you experience otherwise.
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can this product be used as part of pct ?
 
wheels said:
can this product be used as part of pct ?
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Will it control estrogen? It should.

Will it be suppressive? Most say yes but I think that's debatable.

The wild card issue is that form also has stong evidence that shows it blocks DHT. Theoretically, that is an unproductive aspect in pct and part of why it's a better ON cycle choice.
 
celc5 said:
Will it control estrogen? It should.

Will it be suppressive? Most say yes but I think that's debatable.

The wild card issue is that form also has stong evidence that shows it blocks DHT. Theoretically, that is an unproductive aspect in pct and part of why it's a better ON cycle choice.
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There are people that swore they could use 4-hydroxytestosterone for PCT. lol. Never heard from them again ;)
 
Force of Green said:
There are people that swore they could use 4-hydroxytestosterone for PCT. lol. Never heard from them again ;)
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That's because I ate them. :food:

While I agree it's not very bright to take 4OHT as your PCT, we can't associate them as 4OHA = 4OHT without making some assumptions/generalizations. There's some things that would need to be considered.

-1- What is it's conversion rate to the active versus the summation of its binding rate to aromatase both in inactive and active forms (hint: both are variables dependent on both initial aromatase concentration and time)
-2- How are other hormones (i.e. DHT, Estrone, Estradiol)affected from all this? In all honesty, this is the tricky one because 4OHT has a tendency to work as a mild 5a-reductase inhibitor, while 4OHA is a really potent aromatase inhibitor. Steroids which lower estrogen, while decreasing DHT, have a tendency to lack any sort of suppression. In the case of proviron, there is very little (if any) HTPA suppression going on.

Just givin' you a hard time. How have you been Force?
 
thesinner said:
Steroids which lower estrogen, while decreasing DHT, have a tendency to lack any sort of suppression. In the case of proviron, there is very little (if any) HTPA suppression going on.
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Good info Sin! Are there any current designers that function like that... have AI function and still lower DHT? I don't think so but I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.
 
poopypants said:
that sounds dandy!
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Yah I will experience a big boost on usage days for sure, as long as l don't flatten out too much on off days I'm golden. I am also considering a 2 day on 1 day off approach. 75/75 off etc...
 
all great ideas IMO. We will really be able to better understand how to use the dosing schedule to our advantage one this study on aromatase is completed.....

suprised there isnt any similar info out there about it already...
 
thesinner said:
That's because I ate them. :food:

While I agree it's not very bright to take 4OHT as your PCT, we can't associate them as 4OHA = 4OHT without making some assumptions/generalizations. There's some things that would need to be considered.

-1- What is it's conversion rate to the active versus the summation of its binding rate to aromatase both in inactive and active forms (hint: both are variables dependent on both initial aromatase concentration and time)
-2- How are other hormones (i.e. DHT, Estrone, Estradiol)affected from all this? In all honesty, this is the tricky one because 4OHT has a tendency to work as a mild 5a-reductase inhibitor, while 4OHA is a really potent aromatase inhibitor. Steroids which lower estrogen, while decreasing DHT, have a tendency to lack any sort of suppression. In the case of proviron, there is very little (if any) HTPA suppression going on.

Just givin' you a hard time. How have you been Force?
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Good to see you Sinner. I've been pretty well, thanks ;)

Nice info you got there! Very nice actually...
 
screw it
 
celc5 said:
Good info Sin! Are there any current designers that function like that... have AI function and still lower DHT? I don't think so but I'd be interested to hear what you have to say.
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Off the top of my head 4OHT is the only one I know of. I probably should've used the word, control, because the increase in testosterone is going to increase the conversion rate to DHT. So control, as in if you were stacking with other prohormones, it should reduce DHT-related sides. The key, obviously, is in the 4-OH group. Not as electronegative as a halogen like clolstebol (which doesn't 5AR), but a little more negative charge than just the lone proton on testosterone.

The mushrooms that you might get on a pizza (if you're like me and like mushrooms) contain an anti-aromatase/anti-5AR compound, which is found in Rebound Reloaded and MassFX and probably a couple other products I can't think of at the moment. White Button Mushroom Extract anyone? Again, this fella is somewhat mild and would merely control conversion rates. Afterall, you want a little bit of DHT. It brings out testosterone's full anabolic potential, makes you lean, and makes you hot for the ladies.
 
Little update I have been using 100mg of EForm 3 times a week, 60 am and 40 pm for 3 or 4 weeks now and have not felt the need to increase the dosage, seems to work awsome so far.
 
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