I think we're do for..........
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bolt10
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I guess no one else wants prizes
Everyone always wants prizes!
On a side note 1.5 weeks of Neovar Recomped have gone very nicely so far. Good stuff and looking forward to the effects after a full month(being off creatine for awhile it seems to be kicking in better with neovar than anythings else i've tried...)
bolt10
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2 pre followed by some WMS, Poseidon, and taurine about 15 minutes later. Hit the gym 15 minutes after that. Take 4 15 minutes before my post-workout shake(1.5 scoops Core MRP and 25grams WMS)
The pumps are very nice and i have began to see some nice increases in strength and endurance(nothing crazy but good for only 1.5 weeks)
Urban Monk
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Zero V,
So an interesting morality question. Why do you imply in your statement to not provide aid for "illegal aliens?"
Despite the terminology, they are still human beings correct? And in your posts, you said you were into ministry, and the greater good. So why be exclusionary in your actions? Why not try to achieve help for those that need it?
(Not making any judgment, just trying to spur some discussion)
So an interesting morality question. Why do you imply in your statement to not provide aid for "illegal aliens?"
Despite the terminology, they are still human beings correct? And in your posts, you said you were into ministry, and the greater good. So why be exclusionary in your actions? Why not try to achieve help for those that need it?
(Not making any judgment, just trying to spur some discussion)
Inarius
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interesting... glad you are liking it... I was gonna take some neovar but I was afraid that it wouldnt be enough creatine a day... I just went with some bulk creatine and will dose it myself. I would have preferred the pills as it would be easier to take but bulk is fine for right now!
Are you logging it anywhere? I'd like to know how it turns out for you
Are you logging it anywhere? I'd like to know how it turns out for you
bolt10
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Naw i am not logging it anywhere. I plan to put up some reviews after i go through a month with it tho.
Zero V
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When a country becomes over ran with illigal citizens, it destroys the economy. They arent taxes dont get paid, they run up medical bills the government has to pay for which comes out of citizens pockets. They also take jobs that would be open to americans(i know a few places that are full of illigals) thus further hurting economy. Charity starts in the home. Or in this case for your own citizens first.
Car wrecks whith no insurance, and you cnt even order anymore at mcdonalds unless you know spanish.
how can a weakened country send missionaries when the cost becomes too high? it is costing me 500$ to go on a missions to mexico for a week next month and live in a van the entire time to help give aid/feed them/ hand out toys/ build/etc....
I believe in helping as many as possible. But you must first be able to stand on your own two legs to do so. And illigal immigration id snappingthe legs out from under our country.
Not to mention, in a non sterotypical way, when you cant get a real job, crime usually becomes an easy way to make a living.
I support letting them in. After they go through a schooling process, become a functional citizen, and learn english.
They should not be able to ring in their elderly though, and instantly draw social security when they never put anyhing into it in a day in their lives. Its why SS sucks so bad right now.
I know a family that brought over their grandparents who instantly got SS when they came to the states because they were too old to work. Other countries look at america as an easy meal ticket.
The soup kitchen will run out if done improperly.
This is a polical and science understanding of some of the musts that have to happen if anygood is to come.
Personally I wish we could feed the world and give them places to live, impossible. So the only thing we ccan do is preserve and maintain a core that can reach out and give aid. if the core is devastated too much, then everything begins to fail. America is almost to its breaking points.
You cant save everyone, and if you try you will lose everyone.
Something hard for me to learn as a guy who always overextended myself and left myself ruined. Was you must maintain the ability to maintain yourself if you are going to help some one else. Which means saying "No" to people. And in this cas it appies to illigal imigration. Nothing wrong with making a way to do it right.
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SamBoz19
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You know what this thread needs...
This thread needs a montage...lmao. :rofl::toofunny:
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For those who have seen the movie "Team America: World Police" just think of the part when you hear in the song "Even Rocky had a montage" and you'll have more of an appreciation for this. LOL. :lol:
Cheers!:cheers:
This thread needs a montage...lmao. :rofl::toofunny:
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For those who have seen the movie "Team America: World Police" just think of the part when you hear in the song "Even Rocky had a montage" and you'll have more of an appreciation for this. LOL. :lol:
Cheers!:cheers:
Zero V
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SamBoz19
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Well I have humor for off the wall retarded stuff (within reason of course)...lol. For some...Team America may not be their cup of tea, but I most certainly have an appreciation for it as well as South Park as the creators behind South Park are the minds behind Team America.
I mean even the theme song is funny from the jump...America...F*ck Yeah....lmao. :toofunny:...Yes I am a big clown at heart...
Cheers!:cheers:
Urban Monk
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I understand your arguments in the context of the common belief and system in place today, but I disagree on the particular point.
Our worldwide resources are sufficient to feed/clothe everyone in the world. Its not impossible, merely impractical (very different things. Today's current system of charity/aid, etc is not geared toward total amelioration, but placation of certain groups/interests.
Its pretty simple to equate out the basic living needs w/ resources available; lets just say they are not all being used appropriately.
So here's a question:
If someone comes into this country, and contributes (gets a job, etc), should they not bring their elderly parents over if improves their life's condition (food/access to medicare/proximity to family)? Should these people not be taken care of?
Zero V
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If I were them I would try too. We love our parents. Well I hope everyone does.
But I think personally then they should have an extra tax to pay. This would be lovely. BUT with so many people doing it, you now have more going out in social security then going into it. Big issue, no? If SS is privatized, then you are guaranteed real support when you are older, if not, its up in the air.
I could see like I said their parents get taken care of lets say, but their have to take out a life insurance policy that goes back into SS or something. Or pay an extra tax for their parents. A small amount that doesnt cover it short term, but will in the long term of say 50 years of living in america.
I see what you are talking about. I justk now what its like to have more going out then comng in... such as I am atm..
SokVichet
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Urban. The point is that Social Security is an account with a limited amount of money that comes out of OUR paychecks, as some retarded form of a savings plan. That money was intended to be paid back to US, the contributers. Not some freeloaders who refuse to follow proper procedure and contribute towards their own retirement.
I take it from your arguments that you are a giving soul who might feel "the less fortunate" deserve your hard earned cash. With that understanding, I assume you have a large portion (or all in the case of social security, i doubt you or I will get any of what we put in especially considering you want to give it to people who arent even contributing!) of your retirement savings for "the less fortunate" (ahem, and that is to say those that refuse to work hard/smart enough to provide for themselves)?
Now, I'm not being harsh towards you here. I only take that tone to make a point. Hopefully, the point is obvious. If not, I'll choose not to push it
I take it from your arguments that you are a giving soul who might feel "the less fortunate" deserve your hard earned cash. With that understanding, I assume you have a large portion (or all in the case of social security, i doubt you or I will get any of what we put in especially considering you want to give it to people who arent even contributing!) of your retirement savings for "the less fortunate" (ahem, and that is to say those that refuse to work hard/smart enough to provide for themselves)?
Now, I'm not being harsh towards you here. I only take that tone to make a point. Hopefully, the point is obvious. If not, I'll choose not to push it
SokVichet
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It does indeed seem a noble and beautiful idea to attempt to remove poverty by sharing the resources gained by those who earn it with those who don't. Those who work hard enough, are smart enough, have imagination and inspiration to create new solutions and solve problems, and are willing to risk everything to provide for their family more than just the basics... They should provide for those who will not?
It's not about being fortunate. My wife's parents were among the LEAST fortunate on earth ~30 years ago. They were both separated and imprisoned by the Khmer Rouge, upon the hostile takover by Pol Pot and his communist farmers (in Cambodia). They spent years working to death. For nothing. Where her father's camp had thousands at a time, by the time he escaped near the end of the regime's reign, there were less than 20 alive. He had seen tens of thousands of men, women, and children beaten, shot, and starved to death. Sure, they were fortunate in that they survived, but their hardship didn't end there. They made it to a Thai refugee camp, and promptly conceived a child during their first month of the reunion. The child got deathly ill due to chemicals used to clear out the jungle to make the camps. The family happened to find a doctor who hadn't been killed by the Khmai K'hom, and the baby was saved. That baby was my wife. They made it to america, LEGALLY, after four years of petitioning, filling out paperwork, and working in the refugee camp. Once they got to america they had nothing, and worked hard for everything they had. They learned English, assimilated into the culture and the way of life in America, and are now among the people I respect most on this earth. They still work their hands to the bone for what they have. But they own a house and cars (all paid for) and eat well. All without freeloading off of the hard work of others. Do you think they are happy about providing for people who refuse to do what is necessary to survive? They are compassionate, but even they draw a line when it comes to who we consider "the less fortunate".
Social Security, welfare, etc are all programs designed to help people who've fallen on hard times, to give them breathing room so they can help themselves once again. It was never ever intended to be used as a way to shirk responsibility and hard work for the entirety of ones life. Now it is being used to support entire generations so they will never have to provide for themselves again!
The sharing of wealth... No, the siezing and redistribution of wealth is not a noble goal. Volunteerism and charity help those in need to get back on their feet again. Hard work and dedication are necessary to move beyond that initial charity. See, ONLY the strong can help the weak. The strong become the weak when stretched too far.
Please do say something if the perpetuation of this subject is not in line with the intended tone of the thread <3
Urban Monk
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Sokvichet,
I appreciate your gentle tone. That was a polite way of making your point, and much better than I see on other forums/discussions. Look, AN is making us civilized.
So before being unfair or anything of the sort, let me point out my background. I am a behavioral economist Ph. D out of a top three business/economics program in the US. So, in regards to my background and how I manage my finances, lets say I have a certain few about utilization of resources.
In response to your query; no I am not saving up a large portion of my "retirement" savings for giving. Instead, I believe in smoothing consumption to create an equilateral lifestyle throughout my years. What you propose is really both a macro and microeconomic problem.
Yes, my leanings are toward helping those that are less fortunate. However, I also believe there are market-driven and resource redistribution methodologies of achieving this. If we look around the world, it is a well known fact that any well-developed nation has become a welfare state. It is also general knowledge that improving the lowest common denominator brings significant improvement to society as a whole.
My viewpoint is basically to fund select involved programs that involve some level of contribution for benefits received. Also, to cut non-essential spending in areas that are not directly related to the welfare of the United State's own residents.
These are large and very political topics and have much to do w/ one's own nature and volition. If this is to be continued, I hope everyone maintains the good-natured and polite tone that has been achieved in this thread so far.
I appreciate your gentle tone. That was a polite way of making your point, and much better than I see on other forums/discussions. Look, AN is making us civilized
.So before being unfair or anything of the sort, let me point out my background. I am a behavioral economist Ph. D out of a top three business/economics program in the US. So, in regards to my background and how I manage my finances, lets say I have a certain few about utilization of resources.
In response to your query; no I am not saving up a large portion of my "retirement" savings for giving. Instead, I believe in smoothing consumption to create an equilateral lifestyle throughout my years. What you propose is really both a macro and microeconomic problem.
Yes, my leanings are toward helping those that are less fortunate. However, I also believe there are market-driven and resource redistribution methodologies of achieving this. If we look around the world, it is a well known fact that any well-developed nation has become a welfare state. It is also general knowledge that improving the lowest common denominator brings significant improvement to society as a whole.
My viewpoint is basically to fund select involved programs that involve some level of contribution for benefits received. Also, to cut non-essential spending in areas that are not directly related to the welfare of the United State's own residents.
These are large and very political topics and have much to do w/ one's own nature and volition. If this is to be continued, I hope everyone maintains the good-natured and polite tone that has been achieved in this thread so far.
EasyEJL
Never enough
ah well, I was saving this for the next "make me laugh" contest that someone else throws for something good but...
A husband emerged from the bathroom naked and was climbing into bed when his wife complained, as usual, "I have a headache."
"Perfect," her husband said. "I was just in the bathroom powdering my penis with aspirin. You can take it orally, or as a suppository, your choice."
A husband emerged from the bathroom naked and was climbing into bed when his wife complained, as usual, "I have a headache."
"Perfect," her husband said. "I was just in the bathroom powdering my penis with aspirin. You can take it orally, or as a suppository, your choice."
Zero V
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Zero V
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I have wondered that for a long time....
Zero V
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Bars are part of the reputation system. I think you lose some rep points over time, and the orange bar is your total reps. Kinda like an rpg leveling system.
A full green bar like yours means you should spend more time away from your computer
We lose rep over time? I dont get very much rep, I aint cool anymore! I will be back to zero soon lol. Eh....maybe if i was a cool rep for a ccompany or something....which reminds me I still need to msg dsade like you guys recommended...
SokVichet
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Well, I could be wrong, but it seems like if I don't post in a while, I lose some points. Not that I'm rep-whoring or anything, but it's nice to read the comments people leave in the rep remarks so i pay attention. I haven't seen a neg yet, so my assumption is based on that. I apologize if I'm wrong. It would be fun to know how it's really tallied. Some of you guys have almost 10k, and a few of you that don't but really should lol. Man, I've learned so much on these forums...
Zero V
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There are a few with well over 10K... ithink one person has 15K
Eh I dont really care about rep, just made me feel like the posts I made were helpful to someone or that I did a good job at something. Kinda like an A-OK thing.
Though I think some people covet the holy green bars:toofunny:
AK32408
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How come you've decided that ?
EasyEJL
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SokVichet
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The whole idea of arranged marriage just pisses me the f**k off too.
Mother to daughter:
"Oh honey, you'll grow to love this fat, balding, mean man... well, because you have no choice really. It'll make it easy to try to love him when you know he's all you have, won't it. I mean, it worked for your father and I right? And nevermind the sweet young guys you meet while you finish high school, they aren't mature enough or responsible enough for you. See how easy this is? We know what's best for you, even though we don't have to live with the consequences of our decision. Heh, I mean, we'll be long dead before you bury your own slob of a provider and end up on your own because he was twice your age when we forced you to marry him. Oh and don't be surprised when he expects you to sleep with him whenever he wants, but that'll be ok because you're married; and besides you'll learn to just close your eyes through the entire thing like a good little girl."
F**k that ****, and if I ever see someone have to go through this again, I will end up with charges. It is rape by parents and husband in my opinon.
Mother to daughter:
"Oh honey, you'll grow to love this fat, balding, mean man... well, because you have no choice really. It'll make it easy to try to love him when you know he's all you have, won't it. I mean, it worked for your father and I right? And nevermind the sweet young guys you meet while you finish high school, they aren't mature enough or responsible enough for you. See how easy this is? We know what's best for you, even though we don't have to live with the consequences of our decision. Heh, I mean, we'll be long dead before you bury your own slob of a provider and end up on your own because he was twice your age when we forced you to marry him. Oh and don't be surprised when he expects you to sleep with him whenever he wants, but that'll be ok because you're married; and besides you'll learn to just close your eyes through the entire thing like a good little girl."
F**k that ****, and if I ever see someone have to go through this again, I will end up with charges. It is rape by parents and husband in my opinon.
SokVichet
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Its as real as religion.....
Very well put.
DreamOfWeight
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thats why u cant rush things :thumbsup:
i cant belive this thread is still going..i thought i lost along time ago
i cant belive this thread is still going..i thought i lost along time ago
Urban Monk
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You did on the first round. Lanbane gave out prizes to some lucky S.O.B., but we don't even know what they are yet!
EasyEJL has taken over in the meantime and should be awarding some more prizes.
EasyEJL has taken over in the meantime and should be awarding some more prizes.
DreamOfWeight
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cool cool