Epistane (The same old sh!t)
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thundergod
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I hate to, but I must disagree here. It is better to taper ATD DOWN instead of ramping it UP! With the tapering off, you stand much less chance of estrogen-rebound. IMO!! THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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TheeBC---When are planning on running this? I thought you had an injectable cycle all laid out to run next. Is it on the backburner for now? By the way, this cycle looks good. Should be extremely successful!!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
jman2129
New member
x2. Running ATD inversely to a serm can cause delayed gyno. It is an on going debate. I would just stick with a booster and serm.
TheeBC
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Alright, who wants to buy inhibit E. haha, $18 - includes shipping :] seriously.
yeah, back burner bro. August, is the final date because of this cycle. It has to be. My goals are aligned and in position. I have some unexpected things that have came up. Plus, I need the space from my GF to focus more on everything. Im still questioning my PCT. Im really hoping I can cut down a lot. Hoping a visible 4/6 pack would be nice. Im also going with better carbs on my cheat day. Im going to stick with rice and whole wheat breads etc...usually I gorge myself on a cheat day. But I said to myself today when I woke up after a few poses in the mirror "We want this, just bigger, better, harder, and more defined. Why the Fu<k am I here if I cant focus on it?"
The thing is I MUST GET CUT. I wont allow myself to start a the cycle without at least a 4 pack. I know Im fighting my genetics to be lean and ripped, most of us are. My entire family is on the large side, i stick out like a sore thumb, but its a good feeling. Ive never been able to really rip off my shirt and feel comfortable except when intimate, but we are our worst critics.
Its weird, too. Ive been losing passion for a while since I picked up a girlfriend. Its like a barrier I push through daily to get to the gym. and you know...even now ive been procrastinating almost 2 hours. and now...Ive told you this, im leaving.
PS. Had to vent my plan and ideas for the big delay.
yeah, back burner bro. August, is the final date because of this cycle. It has to be. My goals are aligned and in position. I have some unexpected things that have came up. Plus, I need the space from my GF to focus more on everything. Im still questioning my PCT. Im really hoping I can cut down a lot. Hoping a visible 4/6 pack would be nice. Im also going with better carbs on my cheat day. Im going to stick with rice and whole wheat breads etc...usually I gorge myself on a cheat day. But I said to myself today when I woke up after a few poses in the mirror "We want this, just bigger, better, harder, and more defined. Why the Fu<k am I here if I cant focus on it?"
The thing is I MUST GET CUT. I wont allow myself to start a the cycle without at least a 4 pack. I know Im fighting my genetics to be lean and ripped, most of us are. My entire family is on the large side, i stick out like a sore thumb, but its a good feeling. Ive never been able to really rip off my shirt and feel comfortable except when intimate, but we are our worst critics.
Its weird, too. Ive been losing passion for a while since I picked up a girlfriend. Its like a barrier I push through daily to get to the gym. and you know...even now ive been procrastinating almost 2 hours. and now...Ive told you this, im leaving.
PS. Had to vent my plan and ideas for the big delay.
thundergod
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tnick7
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With ATD there rebound isn't likely but IMO OP you should start the ATD in week 2-3 or PCT then ramp it up until you finish nolva, then ramp it back down to prevent rebound so 0/0/25/25/50/25 or something like this
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LakeMountD
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TheeBC
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dionii recommended -----
"
Reverse ramp
Week 1: High SERM/Estro Channeler; Low AI
Week 2: Mid-High SERM / Estro Channeler; Mid-Low AI
Week 3: Mid-Low SERM / Estro Channeler; Mid-High AI
Week 4: Low SERM / Estro Channeler; High AI
So ramp down the AI, ramp up the SERM concurrently. The above is just a mild 4-week example."
My take on this was...
40/30/20/20 - Nolva
1/2/2/3/3 - iNHIBIt
"
Reverse ramp
Week 1: High SERM/Estro Channeler; Low AI
Week 2: Mid-High SERM / Estro Channeler; Mid-Low AI
Week 3: Mid-Low SERM / Estro Channeler; Mid-High AI
Week 4: Low SERM / Estro Channeler; High AI
So ramp down the AI, ramp up the SERM concurrently. The above is just a mild 4-week example."
My take on this was...
40/30/20/20 - Nolva
1/2/2/3/3 - iNHIBIt
nosnmiveins
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thats how i would do it
thundergod
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This works great! It's just that you'll need an extra week or 2 to taper down that Inhibit-E (ATD) now. Back down to 2 caps and then 1 cap. But that shouldn't be a problem anyway. Good luck with this thing bro!:thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
thundergod
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What about posting those pics bro? I for one, would love to see 'em!! It'll really serve to motivate you when you hear everyone saying how you've improved. I'm glad you enjoyed the cycle. Epistane is some fun sh*t, huh? It makes me feel good while I'm using it. :thumbsup: THE THUNDERGOD:hammer:
papapumpsd
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Post Photos Dooood!! 
TheeBC
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Well, to be honest...Im very embarassed about how much mass I lost...when I began cutting, I must of done something wrong...i dont even know what but I just lost lbs and lbs...My bench went from mid 2's to the semi-high 1's....
I dont know how I still plan to pull off HULK for halloween! err
I dont know how I still plan to pull off HULK for halloween! err
AE14
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I loved my time on epi/havoc, had better more consistent gains than my mdrol run <shudders>
UnrealMachine
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I'm jealous of you guys getting such excellent results on Epi/havoc. I had a lot of the effects, i felt great, i had terrific pumps, better vascularity, the works, BUT my strength and weight were barely, barely moving. I mean it, in 3.5 weeks my bench didn't go up 1 rep... it should be going up faster naturally.
SD saved my cycle, packed on 8 pounds in the first week, now 20mg feeling hard feeling good, strength going up, no sides
Don't worry bro it happens to the best of us, my strength plummets like mad on a cut. I'm a kind of endo-meso guy so to lose weight I need to kick my body into serious weightloss mode, and with the low carb diet, cardio and weighing less, my strength withers away rapidly.
The HULK may necessitate a bulker run
SD saved my cycle, packed on 8 pounds in the first week, now 20mg feeling hard feeling good, strength going up, no sides
Don't worry bro it happens to the best of us, my strength plummets like mad on a cut. I'm a kind of endo-meso guy so to lose weight I need to kick my body into serious weightloss mode, and with the low carb diet, cardio and weighing less, my strength withers away rapidly.
The HULK may necessitate a bulker run
TheeBC
Active member
Yeah, im endo upper, meso lower..it sucks man...but in 4 weeks..I will begin my injectable cycle as long as I get my truck sold and another car squared away...plus, im starting school back up on the 18th...which was a late decision for me. but a good one. Im selling my truck, getting a BEATER because it would be foolish of me to work full time and go to school full time.
LakeMountD
Doctor Science
This is a G rated forum my man. Geez, he is telling us how much of a meso he is "lower". :jaw::box:
Zero V
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I work full time, go to school full time, and assist at my church about 16-25 hours a week(counting services I attend and free time stuff they do)
Only reason I get my gym time was because of a crappy job I have that I get off at 3 pm MWF and 2PM tues/thurs.
Course with my high debts I have to work.
GL with school man, and good luck with your injectable cycle.
LilPsychotic
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Mos def. I never understood the inverse taper method. I mean, I get that nolva doesn't reduce E in any way, it just blocks it from attaching to recepters at specific sites, e.g. breast tissue. But ramping up the AI supresses E such that when you come off, your body is trying to reach a chemical equilibrium by producing a massive rush of E. Seems like it really leaves the door open for some E dominating issues, where as a down taper wouldn't have that effect, or at least not as drastic.