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Since I was the one who would always walk away from the guy first.. and more so than not.. there would be a 3 week period where they would get all sad.. and cry.. and call me.. and then his friends call me because he is sad.. and drinking too much and boo hooo.. and punching walls.. throwing beer bottles at me for leaving.. i think i "gamed" them.. There was no way in hell i ever was taken by any of the theories there.. for one simple reason.. I didn't give a $&*% about anyone or anything during my college years and 3 years post. If my husband is trying to do it now.. then he sure does suck at it lol
wow you think your pretty special dont you haha j/k. Plenty of PUA's could have you cheating on your husband in a matter of hours. Im guessing your kinda hot, good for you, hence the treating guys like the way you have and them reacting like the way you had but dont think for one minute the tactics in these books don't help shy avergage looking chumps bag smoking hot women.............and lots of them.
 
wow you think your pretty special dont you haha j/k. Plenty of PUA's could have you cheating on your husband in a matter of hours. Im guessing your kinda hot, good for you, hence the treating guys like the way you have and them reacting like the way you had but dont think for one minute the tactics in these books don't help shy avergage looking chumps bag smoking hot women.............and lots of them.


i don't understand what makes people proud of and flaunt negative things they've seen/done. it's this 'sex and the city' culture we're forming. damn shame. sound like you see through it though, australian.
 
i don't understand what makes people proud of and flaunt negative things they've seen/done. it's this 'sex and the city' culture we're forming. damn shame. sound like you see through it though, australian.
I do now my friend. So a smoking hot chick turns you down, big deal her loss not mine, i'll shrug my shoulders and walk on to the next one. Like someone mentioned before, you need to realise you are the prize not her. There are a lot more important qualities to be found in a girl then simply what she loks like. Most hot girls are just as insecure as the average bloke anyway.
 
i don't understand what makes people proud of and flaunt negative things they've seen/done. it's this 'sex and the city' culture we're forming. damn shame. sound like you see through it though, australian.


That book is flaunting the same crap that you "dont understand' just because you remove the penis doesn't make it worse than what you guys and that book are saying.
 
I do now my friend. So a smoking hot chick turns you down, big deal her loss not mine, i'll shrug my shoulders and walk on to the next one. Like someone mentioned before, you need to realise you are the prize not her. There are a lot more important qualities to be found in a girl then simply what she loks like. Most hot girls are just as insecure as the average bloke anyway.


I agree 100% on what you just said there.. for both genders! Even though I am a bit worried of a 24 year old man that has russell crow as an avi :afro: I know you are proud of your Nation.. and the exports ( think russle is one of yours) but anyway.. all i ask is you return paul hogan to us... he is one sexy Betch!
 
ohh... shut.... he wouldent do that!!! lol

but foreal... he bumped my game up a step or two! back when i was allowed to have game....:sad:

EDIT: used car? :toofunny:
 
Joel does it in a very good and positive way. It helps you build up a more natural form of yourself, not "tap into" or create another form of you for the goal of bowchicawowow. Joel helps with true and lasting relationships....

its just funny how this other book has ths cult like following.. and they all think they are Pu$$y Jedi or something...

"this isn't the hole youre looking for, move along" I bet there is a lot of fist pumping when these guys meet each other in the same club or whatever they do... lots of fist pumping.. white wife beaters ..

side note.. i actaully saw a K-mart add that had "wife beater T's"
 
well in my opinion, joel helps u become more like a magnet then a jedi!

hahah my sister has me saved in her phone as wife beater!! i dono why? i never wear them, and im not too violent.. wife B's are for posers, and clubs are for ppl who have no conversational skills..lol

EDIT: unless ur with someone! lol
 
Joel does it in a very good and positive way. It helps you build up a more natural form of yourself, not "tap into" or create another form of you for the goal of bowchicawowow. Joel helps with true and lasting relationships....

its just funny how this other book has ths cult like following.. and they all think they are Pu$$y Jedi or something...

"this isn't the hole youre looking for, move along" I bet there is a lot of fist pumping when these guys meet each other in the same club or whatever they do... lots of fist pumping.. white wife beaters ..

side note.. i actaully saw a K-mart add that had "wife beater T's"

I think you, along with a large majority, misunderstand the book in reference. It's not a guide on how to get laid, it's a guide on how to break out of your shell, get past a person's natural defenses so that you can actually meet people. As far as a cult following, you tell any guy that you can help him meet girls and you instantly have a cult following, lol.
 
well in my opinion, joel helps u become more like a magnet then a jedi!

hahah my sister has me saved in her phone as wife beater!! i dono why? i never wear them, and im not too violent.. wife B's are for posers, and clubs are for ppl who have no conversational skills..lol

EDIT: unless ur with someone! lol

Wife beater t-shirts are for posers? Do you mean wearing them as your only shirt is for posers? Because I wear them under t-shirts just for a comfort factor, but never wear them around like it's a real shirt.
 
i know you weren't talking about the book.. thats why i put the two together to show you that i have lived my younger life in a way that sounds very similar to what the "book" is telling men to do. It doesn't make it any more correct or in correct.. just shows that what you say you dont understand is the same darn thing you are telling us about

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The Game
Email Print Normal font Large font Reviewed by Malcolm Knox
October 22, 2005
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Women have little to fear when a pick-up artist reveals the secrets of his success.

The Game
By Neil Strauss
Text, 368pp, $32.95

I have not the slightest idea how I landed the brainy beauty who became my wife, and even 10 years and two children later I suffer the occasional night terror imagining how I'd pick her up now.

I've just tried some of the sure-fire pick-up artist (PUA) techniques in Neil Strauss's The Game - in case I ever need them - and she just rolled her eyes. As I did all the magic tricks, the "negs" (put-downs) and the NLP (neuro-linguistic programming), I could see the insult to her intelligence. "I'm already taken," she said. "Luckily for you."

So Strauss has nothing for me. Nothing of a self-help nature, that is. I doubt he has anything helpful for anyone except those men whose emotional maturity stalled at age 15. (A massive constituency, I'll allow.)

Despite Strauss's assurances that the PUA techniques work on smart women, he provides no evidence. At one point, he "sarges" (chats up) an apparent law student at UCLA. The reader thinks, "At last!" She gives him her phone number, but it turns out she's a Playboy Playmate. This anticlimax is, for Strauss, a triumph.

But I'm barking up the wrong tree. This is not a self-help book, though many will comb it for tips. Contradicting its own hype, this book is a cautionary tale. Strauss's mentor, a self-pitying Canadian named Mystery, staggers between breakdowns. Their Rat Pack house, "Project Hollywood", sinks into its creepy overgrown adolescent filth. Strauss is a moralist. The first woman who is impervious to his "material" is the one he falls in love with. He realises how shallow he is. Ho-hum.

If the reader is too far ahead of the author, a book has a problem. On page 406, Mystery's mother says his problems are caused by his low self-esteem. Strauss reflects: "Only a mother could reduce a person's entire ambition and raison d'etre to the one basic insecurity fuelling it all." No. It's taken 406 pages for Strauss to realise what most readers will have got by page 10.

The other false advertisement is that Strauss has "penetrated" a "secret society" of geeks-turned-gurus including Mystery, his rival Ross Jeffries and renegade PUA teachers nicknamed Papa and Tyler Durden. Yet when Strauss writes about them in The New York Times, they're thrilled. Hungry for publicity, they use it to fleece more losers as if they'd offered penis implants by email. A very American kind of "secret society", this one.

Which points to what is valuable in this book. Once you disengage yourself from the unpleasantness of Strauss and company, there is an interesting study of contemporary capitalism here.

Many of us know pick-up artists. I once knew a collective. Their love of jargon and their competitiveness (ultimately it's about impressing men, not women) are identical to Strauss's community's. But the difference is my friends never turned it into a business.

The techniques might be old, but the organisation of the "community" into a commercial entity is new, or newish. Using the internet, they create a fetishistic, acronym-heavy jargon. They professionalise their "game". They organise into seminars and workshops. The evolution of this industry, and its eventual self-consumption, is the most valuable part of The Game. Strauss eventually finds himself in Sunset Strip bars where every man is dressed according to the PUA rules and every woman has heard all the lines already. Hollywood, he finds, is "sarged out". At book's end, the surviving gurus are branching into Eastern Europe. What we have is American industry, circa 2005.

Strauss has an engaging prose style and The Game is a compelling and enjoyable book, if you're compelled by sheer appalled disbelief. Although I was reading through the cracks between my fingers, I couldn't put it down.

The most intriguing character is Courtney Love, who moves into Project Hollywood. Which says something about everyone else. For all their numbers, The Game's great blind spot - Love aside - is women. Strauss discovers, in the last breath, that women do the choosing. It needn't have taken the poor bastard 400 pages and two years to work that one out. My wife could have told him. You're not the one who picks them, buddy; they're the ones who pick you.

Which points to what is valuable in this book. Once you disengage yourself from the unpleasantness of Strauss and company, there is an interesting study of contemporary capitalism here.

Many of us know pick-up artists. I once knew a collective. Their love of jargon and their competitiveness (ultimately it's about impressing men, not women) are identical to Strauss's community's. But the difference is my friends never turned it into a business.

The techniques might be old, but the organisation of the "community" into a commercial entity is new, or newish. Using the internet, they create a fetishistic, acronym-heavy jargon. They professionalise their "game". They organise into seminars and workshops. The evolution of this industry, and its eventual self-consumption, is the most valuable part of The Game. Strauss eventually finds himself in Sunset Strip bars where every man is dressed according to the PUA rules and every woman has heard all the lines already. Hollywood, he finds, is "sarged out". At book's end, the surviving gurus are branching into Eastern Europe. What we have is American industry, circa 2005.

Strauss has an engaging prose style and The Game is a compelling and enjoyable book, if you're compelled by sheer appalled disbelief. Although I was reading through the cracks between my fingers, I couldn't put it down.

The most intriguing character is Courtney Love, who moves into Project Hollywood. Which says something about everyone else. For all their numbers, The Game's great blind spot - Love aside - is women. Strauss discovers, in the last breath, that women do the choosing. It needn't have taken the poor bastard 400 pages and two years to work that one out. My wife could have told him. You're not the one who picks them, buddy; they're the ones who pick you.
 
^^^theres always going to be critics. i for one found it slightly helpful, it wasnt until i looked into it a bit further that i started making some progress. Say what you will, but put it this way, it has helped a lot of guys become more comfortable in their own skin. I personally think that is a good thing.

I bet that guy probably thinks people like Anthony Robbins are a big joke as well.
 
i know you weren't talking about the book.. thats why i put the two together to show you that i have lived my younger life in a way that sounds very similar to what the "book" is telling men to do. It doesn't make it any more correct or in correct.. just shows that what you say you dont understand is the same darn thing you are telling us about

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i'm sorry. but i'm afraid we have a miscommunication. i am talking of your statements. still not talking about a book that i have no need to look into. i haven't read said book, but i'm sure i could see the parallels that book's contents and your mind share, as you stated.
 
and I DO understand just what is going on with men, women, and the relationships they share within their environs. i just don't feel like writing an almost immeasurable, frustrating amount of pages on the subject. to say "i don't understand" is a cover-all.
i do understand.
 
its a fist pump lol.. for some reason this thread reminds me of guys i met at bars and stuff... and they would be more interested in looking good to 'out look' their male friends....

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its a fist pump lol.. for some reason this thread reminds me of guys i met at bars and stuff... and they would be more interested in looking good to 'out look' their male friends....

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and again, i'm sorry for the miscommunication, but this applies to who? it's funny, but i'm unclear as to whom this humor is directed toward and why.
 
Nabisco,
Curious if you've seen or read the same "guru" that I did. Mind PM'ing me whom you've used?
 
...are truly attracted to men who ignore them and act like they are uninterested???

I'm, by nature a "nice guy", one who watches the girl of his dreams go out with a total jerk, while I'm the guy she comes to for ADVICES.

What's up with this phenomena? Should I go against every fiber of my body and act like a jerk to get a girl?

Or should I stick to being myself, a nice guy, and get **** on?

Oh dude.

I had this huge crush on a girl at work one time. I'm usually one of those nice guy types too. I constantly hinted to her that I was interested but she seemed totally oblivious only coming to me for advice and venting to me about all her problems.

She actually still calls me sometimes to talk about stuff.


She called me actually last week and told me she was having problems with her boyfriend. I said, "Yeah tell me all about it" I set the phone down on the counter at work and walked away. I came back 15 minutes later she was still talking and crying. I told her I was busy and then hung up.

Usually with that kind of girl, you have to be a douche-bag, but not be a douche-bag. Make Sense?
 
f'ck. I need to step outside. I'm currently suffering from oxygen deprivation and seeing white spots from that video. I'm not joking.
 
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