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very well said and very true.
does god exist
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what if one of the people who claimed to be him already actually was him? wouldnt that be a hoot
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also, would americans as a whole accept any claim to jesus if he wasnt white????
b unit
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dude, i think it would be the majority of the christian faith that would find it hard, all the images of big J are of a lilly white dude sporting long silky hair and a beard. i have never seen a afro jesus in all my time.
a lot of scientist say the first humans originated in africa.
i have also heard it said that adam and eve were of nubian desent.
Zero V
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I am christian, I am a youth leader, and I will be a youth pastor...
In the case for God science is proving his existence. *Geo chronometers* is the term used for some of these proofs.
Facts:
Carbon dating has recently been proven FALSE, it used ot be they could date back millions of years. Well recently they used it on recent volcanic rocks less than 10 years old and it shows them being 350,000 years old...useless tech.
Dinosaurs could not have fossolied unless completly covered AT ONCE by mud. Which supports the FLOOD from the BIBLE.
They have found dinosaurs lockeded in combat, did they hold a pose for a few millenia???
Also rock layers are false in dating history. They find dinosaur bones that go through 5 diff layers and no where on earth do the layers always line up right. It was simply different kinds of sewt left by the flood. I dont think a dinosaur did a headstand for 2 million years so it could go through 5 layers of 400,000 year older than the other rock.
The moon is slowly drifiting away from the earth, scientest have proved that the moon could not have been in orbit no longer than 8 thousand years.
Bible wise the earth is about 4000 years old.
Blue starts only last 10,000 years, and yet there are so many of them in space? If earth had been around for millions of years wouldnt all we see be dust all over?
Evolution has been 100% disproved by the science community, those who still believe are kind of laughed at.
It has been discovered that genes cannot change vertially, only horizontally. this means NOTHING can evolve. But it can change breeds. A dog is always a dog but through breeding can jump breeds. But never can be a cat
AND IF EVOLUTION IS FALSE< which it is. WHERE DID MAN COME FROM.
ALSO
how do you explain the people who are being raised from the dead in florida in that revival going on. How do you explain cancer that dissapears after prayer, tumors that vanish, bones that reconnect and heal, limbs that grow back,
Secularism and athiest views were created back during the reformation as a form of rebellion against the papal state. Simply put, people didnt want to admit anymore they had a price to pay for their actions and they just wanted to rebel.
There is much more info I could dive into, but an avid atheist is usually blinded spiritually by a curtain from satan, and it is hard to convice otherwise without great prayer and spiritual warefare. If I have time I could write you a book prooving God, I have personally seen proof.
The greatest trick the devil every played was convincing the world he didnt exist...
to be honest this thread was started becase a small part of you KNOWS GOD IS REAL, and is trying to fight your*logical* understanding of the world.
Anyhow I hope everyone can be saved some day, dont give up hope, some people change. 50 years ago when they took the bible out of school is when America headed downhill....from then, to now...it is nothing more than a disgusting place of Porn, sex, drugs, alchohol, violence.... That is what comes in the wake of athiest beliefs. No way around it.
In the case for God science is proving his existence. *Geo chronometers* is the term used for some of these proofs.
Facts:
Carbon dating has recently been proven FALSE, it used ot be they could date back millions of years. Well recently they used it on recent volcanic rocks less than 10 years old and it shows them being 350,000 years old...useless tech.
Dinosaurs could not have fossolied unless completly covered AT ONCE by mud. Which supports the FLOOD from the BIBLE.
They have found dinosaurs lockeded in combat, did they hold a pose for a few millenia???
Also rock layers are false in dating history. They find dinosaur bones that go through 5 diff layers and no where on earth do the layers always line up right. It was simply different kinds of sewt left by the flood. I dont think a dinosaur did a headstand for 2 million years so it could go through 5 layers of 400,000 year older than the other rock.
The moon is slowly drifiting away from the earth, scientest have proved that the moon could not have been in orbit no longer than 8 thousand years.
Bible wise the earth is about 4000 years old.
Blue starts only last 10,000 years, and yet there are so many of them in space? If earth had been around for millions of years wouldnt all we see be dust all over?
Evolution has been 100% disproved by the science community, those who still believe are kind of laughed at.
It has been discovered that genes cannot change vertially, only horizontally. this means NOTHING can evolve. But it can change breeds. A dog is always a dog but through breeding can jump breeds. But never can be a cat
AND IF EVOLUTION IS FALSE< which it is. WHERE DID MAN COME FROM.
ALSO
how do you explain the people who are being raised from the dead in florida in that revival going on. How do you explain cancer that dissapears after prayer, tumors that vanish, bones that reconnect and heal, limbs that grow back,
Secularism and athiest views were created back during the reformation as a form of rebellion against the papal state. Simply put, people didnt want to admit anymore they had a price to pay for their actions and they just wanted to rebel.
There is much more info I could dive into, but an avid atheist is usually blinded spiritually by a curtain from satan, and it is hard to convice otherwise without great prayer and spiritual warefare. If I have time I could write you a book prooving God, I have personally seen proof.
The greatest trick the devil every played was convincing the world he didnt exist...
to be honest this thread was started becase a small part of you KNOWS GOD IS REAL, and is trying to fight your*logical* understanding of the world.
Anyhow I hope everyone can be saved some day, dont give up hope, some people change. 50 years ago when they took the bible out of school is when America headed downhill....from then, to now...it is nothing more than a disgusting place of Porn, sex, drugs, alchohol, violence.... That is what comes in the wake of athiest beliefs. No way around it.
Zero V
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I am American, Jesus was not white, per say, he was jewish you know. But he was fair skinned. And it doesnt matter what Americans accept. When the earth quakes, and a man rides out of the sky on a horse, are you going to question his color?
And no one who has claimed to be him since his death has been him. For following Christs return, will be the end of the world as we know it. For those left behind.
ALSO GOD SENDS NO ONE TO HELL, the choice is yours, he simply backs you 100%....
I am so done with this thread I could sit here for 10 hours and write a book....walk away Paul walk away...Good luck to you all, God Bless, and have fun.
b unit
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zero, considering there size, why aren't dinosaurs referred to in the bible if they were around the time of the big flood.
as for the big flood, why are there animals that are only found on remote islands like the flightless bird called the kiwi which is found only in new zealand. did noah discover new zealand? considering the number of species in the animal world, noah must have built the largest boat in history, why has it's remains not been found?
as for the big flood, why are there animals that are only found on remote islands like the flightless bird called the kiwi which is found only in new zealand. did noah discover new zealand? considering the number of species in the animal world, noah must have built the largest boat in history, why has it's remains not been found?
b unit
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zero, you seem to have a few answers.
maybe you could answer where the angels come from and where the devil came from, who created the devil? he must of come from somewhere? did he just appear one day out of fresh air?
and where did god come from? did god just appear one day as well?
these are only questions i have had never answered, maybe you could tell me.
maybe you could answer where the angels come from and where the devil came from, who created the devil? he must of come from somewhere? did he just appear one day out of fresh air?
and where did god come from? did god just appear one day as well?
these are only questions i have had never answered, maybe you could tell me.
AE14
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the flood is a known event as almost all major ancient civilizations discuss it. However, there is a scientific reason for it, it is called the thawing of the ice age, which would have taken place around 10,000 BCE, which is the time the Egyptians termed Zep Tepi or first time.
Also Zero v, you make many bold statements, but not one of them are backed up by evidence. Please add that to this discussion
Also Zero v, you make many bold statements, but not one of them are backed up by evidence. Please add that to this discussion
b unit
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when did jesus die? because i though he was resericted on the sunday following his death on friday.
b unit
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i think zero did a hit and run, i don't think he cares to be challenged on his many calls. i think that it's his way or the highway...to hell.
btw - i respect your beliefs zero
b unit
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no mention of a horse but plenty of mention of an angry man returning to kick some serious butt.
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Every civilization from the Sumerians forward have their own creation myths and even a story of a great flood.
As for the Jewish poeples', they were originally of African descent somewhere in modern Ethiopia. Our modern image of someone that is Jewish is basically an eastern European, which is nowhere near accurate of their origins.
As for the Jewish poeples', they were originally of African descent somewhere in modern Ethiopia. Our modern image of someone that is Jewish is basically an eastern European, which is nowhere near accurate of their origins.
b unit
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are you referring to Ancient Nubia?
Dadof2
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That is a doctrine that some people hold to, it is called Universalism. I don't, but some folks do. I would prefer that this would be the case, but this would eliminate our free will, and the case for this doctrine isn't very strong.
Rodja
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Somewhat. Most of ancient Nubia is in modern day Sudan.
b unit
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There also were the Kerma civilisation who also orignated in the Sudan.
Dadof2
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This is a pretty cynical view, and I understand why you hold it, however like all generalizations yours does not fit all churches.
Understand that anyone who cares enough about their "religion" to pick up their Bible and read a few passages in the New Testament would quickly realize that one never has to attend a church to get saved. Salvation is a one time issue, and again you don't get saved based on what building you are in.
Is that the case with some churches, that you are guilted into going? Yes, but it is not true of all churches, and the Christian doctrine does not hold the position that one has to go to a building once a week to be in good standing with God.
b unit
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in retrospect i should have said "a good majority of churches", i have always thought however that one who follows the faith should not have to go to church to believe nor rejoice or even for that matter ask god for forgiveness if they have sinned. i see way too many poor people especially give what little of their money they have to a church (Tithing) and the church willingly take it although it's clear that these people are suffering while the pastor rides around on his harley, wears fancy suits and lives in a mansion. i also see an organisation as like the catholic church pay out millions of dollars to victims of child abuse (which is dispicable) , where does all this money come from?
i do believe however there are some good churches out there but there are very far and few out here IMHO.
mmowry
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Americans cant accept anything as a whole ie this thread.
Jesus was Jewish (middle Eastern descent) so He was darker rather than lighter.The white part was another one of those things done by "organized religion" in the middle ages.
To me color has no bearing though....its still about who He is and what He's done that is significant.
Maverick60
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I think Zero is a classic case of "Dont believe everything you read". For every document he can produce to back up his facts by a certifiable scientist, there will be a document with the same credibility to "prove" the opposite. You can find anything to make a case for your side of the argument in most cases. If someone tries hard enough to make something a truth, they probably can in some obscure roundabout way.
Evolution has not been proven 100% wrong. Some people may believe it is 100% wrong though.
Stars are just gas arent they? Why would they leave dust? They just burn out. New stars appear, and run their course until they burn out.
Show me proof that the moon is drifting away. Even if some scientists believe that to be true, how could they think they have a large enough sample of time to estimate how long it has been around? 8,000 years huh? Ok. Some people that have studied it may think that, but by no means will I believe they have proven that. Id call that a theory at best.
Moral of the story: Dont believe everything you read.
Evolution has not been proven 100% wrong. Some people may believe it is 100% wrong though.
Stars are just gas arent they? Why would they leave dust? They just burn out. New stars appear, and run their course until they burn out.
Show me proof that the moon is drifting away. Even if some scientists believe that to be true, how could they think they have a large enough sample of time to estimate how long it has been around? 8,000 years huh? Ok. Some people that have studied it may think that, but by no means will I believe they have proven that. Id call that a theory at best.
Moral of the story: Dont believe everything you read.
b unit
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mav, zero's blurb has not changed the way i see things and also he had his say but then ran away, he couldn't even stick around to answer any relevant questions one may have in regards to his vast knowledge of all things god.
this thread was started by one person - bigironkiller - and if i'm not mistaken he's actually not saying god is real.
Porn, sex, drugs, alchohol, violence has been around longer than 50 years, for example slavery was carried out by "good bible folk" 400 years ago, sex with minors (child abuse) has been a part of and covered up by the catholic church for centuries and as for violence - the civil war and the war of inderpendence saw some of the bloodiest battles in human history, alcohol abuse has been going on since columbus turned up. To blame the demise on the bible being taken out of schools 50 years ago is really grasping at straws. If you want bible in schools then go to a catholic church. Public schools are run by the govt not the churches.
this thread was started by one person - bigironkiller - and if i'm not mistaken he's actually not saying god is real.
Porn, sex, drugs, alchohol, violence has been around longer than 50 years, for example slavery was carried out by "good bible folk" 400 years ago, sex with minors (child abuse) has been a part of and covered up by the catholic church for centuries and as for violence - the civil war and the war of inderpendence saw some of the bloodiest battles in human history, alcohol abuse has been going on since columbus turned up. To blame the demise on the bible being taken out of schools 50 years ago is really grasping at straws. If you want bible in schools then go to a catholic church. Public schools are run by the govt not the churches.
Maverick60
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Its too bad, he could have contributed to the discussion. Instead he tried to make it a lecture of sorts. "This is how it is, dont question my knowledge." lol, that doesnt work too well in most situations... Oh well.
Zero V
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Actually dinosoars are refrenced. Leviathan and behemoth are mentioned in the old tesament and upon discription were basically dinosaors. and BTW it is believed that dinosaurs were actually taken onto the ark, BUT the change in the athmoshpere after the clouds that surrounded the earth came down in the rains and the change in the climate, they simply could not maintain life anymore.
Zero V
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As in a formal return, though there was 3 days and he wa seen risen, he was ascended...not a man anymore.
b unit
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are you saying a female and a male T Rex were on the ark?
and 2 Brontasauraus? that must have been a huge ark and why are no remains of this ark been found?
Zero V
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The angels are created by God as his enforcers, servants, soldiers, the Devil was One of Gods favored Angels until his pride overtook him and he challenged God thinking he could be of equal power. Demons are those angels who followed him against God and were also Cast down.
you will have to as God where he came from, if that is a change you opt youtself for...or opt yourself out of.
Zero V
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A normal T rex wouldnt get as big as in jurassic park, and even velociraptors RARELY grew over 2 feet tall. People believe the movies too much. And why couldnt it be an infant male and female T-rex? Or even the eggs?
And actually they have found remains of an ancientship atop some mountains in over around europe, I will research and find the name of hte mountains again for this has been ahwile since I have had to remember the name. A ship that made the titanic not so impressive.
b unit
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i'm not surprised that angels created to be enforcers and soldiers let the power go to their heads and end up trying to run the show. god stuffed up there didn't he?
why would god need enforcers or soldiers anyway? he created everything didn't he?
Zero V
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I wanted to hit and run because I could end up wasting way to much time on this thread. I will do my best to anwser questions then, but what good does it do to anwser the mumbles of the deaf with good english? The anwser to that is there may just be a fine fellow walking by who can hear, and may just learn a thing or two.
I will post around for a bit, but people always say the same things that are secular...We christians at least learn, study, and find new. Secular....stays....the same.
Zero V
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God would want some form of tangible rule. Angels are beings that are now without the same kind of free will we have. WE are given the Freedom of Choice. God didnt mess up, kind of like part of a plan. Without Satan humans wouldnt be temped or blinded from God. So God can in a sense find those who are willing to have faith and trust him, and in a sense weed out thos who would be easily swayed, such as followers of satan.
b unit
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no disrepect but i'm finding your english grammar and your spelling hard to read.
i thank you for taking the time to answer my questions however and wish you well on becoming a pastor.
Zero V
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For the moon part of this, its orbit will continually slow. Evolution is hard to back with any kind of facts because they have found that the only change to genes are "mutation" and mutation is what cancer is, desease is, and the end of species. There are no benificial mutations, so then nothing could evolve because it would only be negative. And if we evolve, and man has been around so long, why havent we? 3000 years isnt long enough for even a simple change? Not even an extra anything? And doesnt evolution support bigger faster stronger? Then why is the human race rapidly becoming the weakest animal on the planet as a whole? The fault goes to our brains and their designs. Our brains ruin us, not just in physical and mental realms, but spiritual as well.
I am going to have to take to my buddy and bring in the big guns...I saw a man give up sex, drinking, smoking in one day last weekend because he finally understood God was real...
Man this thread is going to rack up my posts... ugh
The only part that sucks is people just dont know the price they pay for sin...
Zero V
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Lol, thanks, and sorry for the grammer. I am up way to late, had finals today, brain is off. So tired...
The reason I wanted to avoid this thread was because I would post rapidly to questions because the amount of info on each one is alot. And when I do not take the time to type, it gets real ugly.
Good luck on your path as well.
I admit I will be 100% biased lol, sorry. When you feel God and see healings, and feel an infection being drawn out of your body and the pain going away... you understand science is illogical lol.
b unit
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that's because because evolution covers millions of years not 3000 years as per your beliefs.
is the average weight and height of the average male more now than 100 years ago?
is the average age of a human being more now than 100 years ago?
are humans faster and stronger more now than 100 years ago?
i smell change in just 100 years....
dude, that was last weekend and i've seen that from guys training for a bodybuilding contest.
Zero V
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Yeah but he did it permamentally. Not for self interest... he is not trying to walk on a path to salvation.
If the earth has been here millions of years, where are the billions abd billions of fossiles? If mankind is so old what about the sheer number of remains that would exist? I mean, if earth has had millions of years, then why so few dinosaur bones exist. My explanation points that out to a degree.
b unit
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as your good book says, "ashes to ashes and dust to dust", i'm sure you understand that?
remember that most living things are 2/3 water and the rest is eaten by maggots and worms, it's the cycle of life.
plus to say that dude gave up permamentally and he only did it last weekend is a really premature call.
also you ignored my questions on humans being bigger, faster and stronger in even 100 years. that's real change my friend that didn't take 3000 years.
Maverick60
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Thats not true at all. Im learning plenty here. Im not believing it all, but Im learning. Most conversations I have about it, people usually just get mad at me and act like I shouldnt be questioning their beliefs.
Maverick60
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Interesting read on Invalid Link Removed and factors that may cause different types of it. Its a pretty quick read.
b unit
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i'm with u mav, i'm learning more as well
i'm glad we are all different, i'm not into a cardboard cutout world, one size does not fit all.
:thumbsup:
bryan4980
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Back up the carbon dating, I have heard people say this before but never back it up. You make 2 posts and then say you are done, scared you don't have the answers, hmm?
bryan4980
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b unit
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zero, here is a scale representation of a t rex, 2 of these on noah's ark and noah wouldn't have anything left, no wonder they can't find his ark!
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Australian made
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^^^ you and your pictures.....
AE14
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it goes further back than the middle ages. the Roman Christians made him look roman (toga and all) specifically in many of the catacombsAmericans cant accept anything as a whole ie this thread.
Jesus was Jewish (middle Eastern descent) so He was darker rather than lighter.The white part was another one of those things done by "organized religion" in the middle ages.
To me color has no bearing though....its still about who He is and what He's done that is significant.
AE14
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you are thinking mount ararat in turkey and most scientists believe it is no ship, just a rock formation.
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