Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!
Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well :run:Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!
Word.Obama has clinched the Democratic nomination. Get ready to give even more of your hard-earned money to the government to fund those social programs that work so well!
Actually it is working well now (although I agree the planning was terrible) but you didnt hear that NPR huh?Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well :run:
Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.Actually it is working well now (although I agree the planning was terrible) but you didnt hear that NPR huh?
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
Norman Thomas, 1948
Yeah, we're well on our way to a permanent state of war - which is doing such wonders for the economy - and it's whittling away nicely at that darned inconvenient constitution, too. Thumbs-up all around, I guess....Actually it is working well now...
Those who learn history from the John Birch Society are doomed to be very confused - and typically wrong."The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."
Norman Thomas
Read past the name of the quote and READ the quote. It is as true as can be. Iraq is now at its most stable point thus far, hence the talks of drawdowns.Yeah, we're well on our way to a permanent state of war - which is doing such wonders for the economy - and it's whittling away nicely at that darned inconvenient constitution, too. Thumbs-up all around, I guess....
Those who learn history from the John Birch Society are doomed to be very confused - and typically wrong.
I'm not a republican. BTW, I don't watch fox, or TV for that matter.Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.
Working well now? I guess foxnews is a great source of information
Maybe you should actually read what General Petraeus says....and look at the actual numbers.Actually not a dem here, but nice assumption I guess.
Working well now? I guess foxnews is a great source of information
Four legs baaaaad, two legs gooood.
Spending has been out of control under the Bush admin, and I'm talking domestic spending. Going to be outright insane should Obama win. Most lib voter in the Senate. McCain is scary enough. Change indeed.
Yea.. this one is rich.Oh I forgot for those in New York. The taxing liberals are at it again. Now, its the Internet Tax.
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/04/14/ny-lawmakers-approve-internet-tax
Considering I dont spend any time with MSNBC, your argument is already flawed.Maybe you should actually read what General Petraeus says....and look at the actual numbers.
But that would ruin MSNBC's talking points....
Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.Wow, a bit extreme no? Kinda funny coming out of the Bush administration where our money went to a war that has worked out so well :run:
agreed 100%Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.
The economy isn't so hot due to numerous reasons, not just the war. But Bush really has ****ed up the conservative name.
I don't like McCain or Obama.
Considering I dont spend any time with MSNBC, your argument is already flawed.
To objectively look at the war, lets look at the economy of it as well. Or would fox news not approve?
I also concur, however... how do you consider it illegal?Word, I agree with you, the war was a mistake from the beginning. But less than 5% of our GDP has gone to fund this illegal war.
The economy isn't so hot due to numerous reasons, not just the war. But Bush really has ****ed up the conservative name.
I don't like McCain or Obama.
I will say one name Chuck Hagel. Go see his powerpoint about the expenses of the war.I could care less if you think my argument is flawed or not...and yeah...I'm sure you never watch it. You are the one that started talking about credibility when it comes to news organizations without looking a the actual facts.
If you want to talk about the economy of it all, go right ahead because I will then show you just how completely unrelated they are and where exactly that money we are spending would have gone. Here is a hint..it certainly isn't you and it certainly wouldn't be in infrastructure.
Its funny you want to bring up the economy when in 2003-2005 when the war was at its worst, we show 3-5% GDP growth. It was booming. What our government spends means jack **** on the health of our economy. The housing bust that is basically bringing us down has jack **** to do with the war. It has to do with regulations back in the 90's. The price of oil has the same baked in price it did back in the 90's when guess what...their was instability in the middle east. Its called China, India and the rest of Asia coming out of the 5th century.
The biggest increase in oil was in the last 2 years. Guess who ran Congress then. Democrats. Is it their fault? No...its called the free market and they have jack **** to do with any of it unless they actually want to regulate and price control.
So please, talk about the economy of it...
I had someone tell me that the war was illegal once because the UN didnt authorize it. lolThe war isn't illegal. It was sanctioned both by your President and your Congress. Therefore in every form of American law, it's legal.
Saying that it's illegal is completely untrue, but feel free to continue to spread untruths.
I will say one name Chuck Hagel. Go see his powerpoint about the expenses of the war.
Also do you notice people tend to always point out fox news in some sly remark to point out the right leaning stance of many of the shows/hosts etc. I always find this amazing considering almost every other network is leans way to the left.
Everyone listen to blanket statement man!!!Republicans are NOT good for the economy EVER! Anyone who argues this statement doesn't understand what the party actually stands for!!!! So vote Democrat or watch the economy get worse because McCain feels that everything is fine and the economy will take care of itself, this Lazze Faire attitude is not what this country needs after eight years of abuse by the Republican party. (NAFTA, Big Oil, and Corporate interests) have corrupted our politicians (majority of whom are Republican). I am normally independent on most issues because I am in the middle on most issues, but the most important issue right now is the economy so VOTE Democrat because to vote independent is a waste of a vote.
Everyone listen to blanket statement man!!!
I know it was completely legal, but I just felt like throwing that word in there because it's a lost cause for a war. I don't think the majority of people give a **** whether the ME is stable at all. I sure as hell don't. IMO, let them kill themselves off and fight to the death, how it's always been in that shithole called the Middle East.The war isn't illegal. It was sanctioned both by your President and your Congress. Therefore in every form of American law, it's legal.
Saying that it's illegal is completely untrue, but feel free to continue to spread untruths.
Republicans are NOT good for the economy EVER! Anyone who argues this statement doesn't understand what the party actually stands for!!!! So vote Democrat or watch the economy get worse because McCain feels that everything is fine and the economy will take care of itself, this Lazze Faire attitude is not what this country needs after eight years of abuse by the Republican party. (NAFTA, Big Oil, and Corporate interests) have corrupted our politicians (majority of whom are Republican). I am normally independent on most issues because I am in the middle on most issues, but the most important issue right now is the economy so VOTE Democrat because to vote independent is a waste of a vote.
trust me, I am not saying anything about economic policy whatsoever, I was just addressing to you what Hagel said about the costs of war <this one specifically>I don't' need a politician to tell me about economics. If our Senators knew anything about economics, we wouldn't be in this situation.
Stop listening to politicians talking points and figure it out for yourself. You'll find the truth somewhere in between and pretty much boring when it comes to politics.
Chuck Hagel, Congress and your President don't make monetary policy but they sure could sell you the idea that they do.
That's fine. Its makes for great political theatre to throw around how much money is spent when in reality the everyday public would never see a penny of it anyway.trust me, I am not saying anything about economic policy whatsoever, I was just addressing to you what Hagel said about the costs of war <this one specifically>
Word. And 'word' to your next post, also. Well said.You couldn't be more wrong.
1. NAFTA was the Clintons.
2. Big Oil? That's been around for 80 years under both parties. Tell me what the Democrats have done to stop them. Nothing. We've had the biggest increase in oil and gas in the last 2 years. Guess who's controlled Congress? Democrats.
3. Corporate Interest? We have the second highest tax corporate rate IN THE WORLD.
Please tell the University economics professor to stop teaching based on ideology and more on facts because in reality a Republican or Democratic administration has almost no say on how the actual economy runs.
Monetary policy is set by the fed which remains relatively intact no mater who is in office. Greenspan set policy for Reagan, Bush AND Clinton.
The global market doesnt run based off our 4 year elections.
I could not agree more here. I think neither of the candidates are worth a cent in the big picture, nor did I think many out there were that good. They are all so tied into their special interestsIn the end will your lives be that much better with Obama or McCain? No.
I have agreed with everything you've said so far, but wouldn't democrats raising taxes negatively impact how the economy runs?Please tell the University economics professor to stop teaching based on ideology and more on facts because in reality a Republican or Democratic administration has almost no say on how the actual economy runs.
Not really. Clinton had one of the largest tax increases in history and we we're fine. You can easily mask numbers by taxing then spending. As long as spending it kept up at the same rate, you bascually offset the lose in personal consumption.I have agreed with everything you've said so far, but wouldn't democrats raising taxes negatively impact how the economy runs?
I disagree with you that it wont effect us ... the increases clinton put in effect pale in comparison to what Obama has hinted at in his campaign speeches. Also, his proposed increase in capital gains was something like 6-8% higher than clinton's highest IIRC. Obama is also playin with different caps/brackets instead of raising certain tax rates - this way to the layman its not a tax "increase" but they are essentially bracketed differently, thus paying a higher tax rate. I wish I had the knowledge on this to be more specific.Not really. Clinton had one of the largest tax increases in history and we we're fine. You can easily mask numbers by taxing then spending. As long as spending it kept up at the same rate, you bascually offset the lose in personal consumption.
..but then you ask the question...do you want to spend the money..or do you want your government too?
I agree completely. The bush-did-it mentality strikes again. How can anyone say a conservative policy is bad for the economy?You couldn't be more wrong.
1. NAFTA was the Clintons.
2. Big Oil? That's been around for 80 years under both parties. Tell me what the Democrats have done to stop them. Nothing. We've had the biggest increase in oil and gas in the last 2 years. Guess who's controlled Congress? Democrats.
3. Corporate Interest? We have the second highest tax corporate rate IN THE WORLD.
Please tell the University economics professor to stop teaching based on ideology and more on facts because in reality a Republican or Democratic administration has almost no say on how the actual economy runs.
Monetary policy is set by the fed which remains relatively intact no mater who is in office. Greenspan set policy for Reagan, Bush AND Clinton.
The global market doesnt run based off our 4 year elections.
I disagree with you that it wont effect us ... the increases clinton put in effect pale in comparison to what Obama has hinted at in his campaign speeches. Also, his proposed increase in capital gains was something like 6-8% higher than clinton's highest IIRC. Obama is also playin with different caps/brackets instead of raising certain tax rates - this way to the layman its not a tax "increase" but they are essentially bracketed differently, thus paying a higher tax rate. I wish I had the knowledge on this to be more specific.
I for one am going to look into overseas accounts if ish goes down.
Agreed.Obama is just another candidate that tells people to blame everyone else for their problems without looking at the root of the problem, YOURSELF!
You couldn't be more wrong.
1. NAFTA was the Clintons.
2. Big Oil? That's been around for 80 years under both parties. Tell me what the Democrats have done to stop them. Nothing. We've had the biggest increase in oil and gas in the last 2 years. Guess who's controlled Congress? Democrats.
3. Corporate Interest? We have the second highest tax corporate rate IN THE WORLD.
Please tell the University economics professor to stop teaching based on ideology and more on facts because in reality a Republican or Democratic administration has almost no say on how the actual economy runs.
Monetary policy is set by the fed which remains relatively intact no mater who is in office. Greenspan set policy for Reagan, Bush AND Clinton.
The global market doesnt run based off our 4 year elections.
If you knew half as much as you thought about these issues you would be on track for an article in the Enquirer.
1. NAFTA was signed by George Bush in the early 90's.
2. The Bush administration and Rupublican majority congress voted to give billions in tax cuts to the already wealthy oil companies, not to mention the fact that Bush and family have a vast amount of interest in Petroleum. The higher the price the more they make because there % stays the same.
3. As far as Corporate interests go the tax means very little compared to the fact that when large corporations get what they want in the form of policy it is always the inverse of what is good for the middle-class (which is the base of our economy). In the past eight years the republican party has neutered if not killed the majority of Unions in this country and continued to allow outsourcing which has driven wages down and lowered the per capita income of this country.
The FED play a significant role in monetary policy, but monetary policy only consists of adjusting the Federal Funds Rate (Interest rate that the FED charges banks). When they lower rates to stimulate the economy often times the side effects are worse than the short term stimulation itself. The side effects being inflation and a decrease in the value of the dollar, which in turn leads to more foriegn ownership.
The bottom line is that an economy only thrives if the middle class (working class) is thriving, and the republican policy of supporting Big Business and the trickle down theory is not even relatively efficient.
You've got to be joking...right?I can never follow liberal logic (contradiction?). Unions and the high salaries and benefits packages for manual labor drove corporations to outsource. Why? Because its cheaper.
You said the government allowed outsourcing? Who is the government to tell me how to make a profit?
Why is trickle down not efficient? When did it fail?
About what?You've got to be joking...right?
Just to set the record straight I am not a liberal, as I staighted previously I am somewhat in the middle on most issues but right now the economy needs major attention in the form of Democratic leadership. As far as the government and your profits, they used to in the form of an import tax (Tariff) which protects the working class of the domestic country. Whats so hard to understand about that?About what?