The Official Product Request Thread

Bioperine 5mg tablets/capsules.
 
4everFit: fruitblast in 4.4lbs, it's hands down the BEST tasting fruit flavoured whey isolates i've ever tried.

They come in :

Tropical Mango
Strawberry Kiwi
Green Apple
Tangy Orange
Crantastic Razz

I've tried the mango and strawberry kiwi and they both have awesome mixability and aren't too sweet, they beat anything i've tried, the taste is just right.
 
A 200mg DHEA supplement would be great. It would sure beat having to down several caps per dose.

West Coast Labs makes a great DHEA supplement, if you started carrying their stuff I guarantee you it'd sell fast!!
 
strategicmove said:
What? How?
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At least in CSF.

Psychosom Med. 2004 Mar-Apr;66(2):276-82.

Exploratory open label, randomized study of acetyl- and propionylcarnitine in chronic fatigue syndrome.

Vermeulen RC, Scholte HR. Research Center Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands. [email protected]

OBJECTIVES: We compared the effects of acetylcarnitine, propionylcarnitine and both compounds on the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). METHODS: In an open, randomized fashion we compared 2 g/d acetyl-L-carnitine, 2 g/d propionyl-L-carnitine, and its combination in 3 groups of 30 CFS patients during 24 weeks. Effects were rated by clinical global impression of change. Secondary endpoints were the Multidimensional Fatigue Inventory, McGill Pain Questionnaire, and the Stroop attention concentration test. Scores were assessed 8 weeks before treatment; at randomization; after 8, 16, and 24 weeks of treatment; and 2 weeks later. RESULTS: Clinical global impression of change after treatment showed considerable improvement in 59% of the patients in the acetylcarnitine group and 63% in the propionylcarnitine group, but less in the acetylcarnitine plus propionylcarnitine group (37%). Acetylcarnitine significantly improved mental fatigue (p =.015) and propionylcarnitine improved general fatigue (p =.004). Attention concentration improved in all groups, whereas pain complaints did not decrease in any group. Two weeks after treatment, worsening of fatigue was experienced by 52%, 50%, and 37% in the acetylcarnitine, propionylcarnitine, and combined group, respectively. In the acetylcarnitine group, but not in the other groups, the changes in plasma carnitine levels correlated with clinical improvement. CONCLUSIONS: Acetylcarnitine and propionylcarnitine showed beneficial effect on fatigue and attention concentration. Less improvement was found by the combined treatment. Acetylcarnitine had main effect on mental fatigue and propionylcarnitine on general fatigue.



Possible reasons why:

The CGI improved in the ALC and the PLC group, but not significantly in the ALC+PLC group, likely because of the higher total carnitine ester dose and indicating an inversed U-form dose–response curve.

The effect of ALC on mental fatigue and attention concentration was significant. The PLC group showed most improvement in general and physical fatigue and slightly less in attention concentration. The ALC+PLC group improved very well on general fatigue and also, but not significantly, on physical and mental fatigue.
 
Neuron; said:
At least in CSF.

Psychosom Med. 2004 Mar-Apr;66(2):276-82.

Exploratory open label, randomized study of acetyl- and propionylcarnitine in chronic fatigue syndrome.

Vermeulen RC, Scholte HR. Research Center Amsterdam, Amsterdam, Netherlands. [email protected]

OBJECTIVES: We compared the effects of acetylcarnitine, propionylcarnitine and both compounds on the symptoms of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). METHODS: In an open, randomized fashion we compared 2 g/d acetyl-L-carnitine, 2 g/d propionyl-L-carnitine, and its combination in 3 groups of 30 CFS patients during 24 weeks. Effects were rated by clinical global impression of change. Secondary endpoints were the Multidimensional Fatigue Inventory, McGill Pain Questionnaire, and the Stroop attention concentration test. Scores were assessed 8 weeks before treatment; at randomization; after 8, 16, and 24 weeks of treatment; and 2 weeks later. RESULTS: Clinical global impression of change after treatment showed considerable improvement in 59% of the patients in the acetylcarnitine group and 63% in the propionylcarnitine group, but less in the acetylcarnitine plus propionylcarnitine group (37%). Acetylcarnitine significantly improved mental fatigue (p =.015) and propionylcarnitine improved general fatigue (p =.004). Attention concentration improved in all groups, whereas pain complaints did not decrease in any group. Two weeks after treatment, worsening of fatigue was experienced by 52%, 50%, and 37% in the acetylcarnitine, propionylcarnitine, and combined group, respectively. In the acetylcarnitine group, but not in the other groups, the changes in plasma carnitine levels correlated with clinical improvement. CONCLUSIONS: Acetylcarnitine and propionylcarnitine showed beneficial effect on fatigue and attention concentration. Less improvement was found by the combined treatment. Acetylcarnitine had main effect on mental fatigue and propionylcarnitine on general fatigue.



Possible reasons why:

The CGI improved in the ALC and the PLC group, but not significantly in the ALC+PLC group, likely because of the higher total carnitine ester dose and indicating an inversed U-form dose–response curve.

The effect of ALC on mental fatigue and attention concentration was significant. The PLC group showed most improvement in general and physical fatigue and slightly less in attention concentration. The ALC+PLC group improved very well on general fatigue and also, but not significantly, on physical and mental fatigue.
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I am familiar with this study. The compounds successfully address different areas. I fail to see evidence that the two compounds contradict each other when administered simultaneously. As it turns out, the results probably suggest the existence of some type of diminishing returns as the amount of carnitine esters used increases.
 
strategicmove said:
I am familiar with this study. The compounds successfully address different areas. I fail to see evidence that the two compounds contradict each other when administered simultaneously. As it turns out, the results probably suggest the existence of some type of diminishing returns as the amount of carnitine esters used increases.
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It shows combining the 2 resulted in being less effective than taking either apart. If you see any reason for combining the 2 and research supporting such use please post it.
 
Neuron; said:
It shows combining the 2 resulted in being less effective than taking either apart. If you see any reason for combining the 2 and research supporting such use please post it.
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First, of all, we are talking about a limited example, CFS, and not a broad number of cases confirming that thesis. Second, the compounds appeared to be effective in different aspects of CFS, in line with expectations. Third, the research suggests the presence of diminishing returns in the action of carnitine esters, a plausible conclusion, rather than an antagonism between the two carnitine forms, per se. Fourth, we cannot reach general conclusions based on the results of one study alone. Fifth, the only widely recognized scientific gold standard in clinical trials are double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies! As far as I can see, the study you rely on does not meet these exact requirements, so it would be a major leap of faith to accept its inconclusive suggestions as the ultimate truth. I did not want to take the discussion this far, but c'est la vie!
 
strategicmove said:
First, of all, we are talking about a limited example, CFS, and not a broad number of cases confirming that thesis. Second, the compounds appeared to be effective in different aspects of CFS, in line with expectations. Third, the research suggests the presence of diminishing returns in the action of carnitine esters, a plausible conclusion, rather than an antagonism between the two carnitine forms, per se. Fourth, we cannot reach general conclusions based on the results of one study alone. Fifth, the only widely recognized scientific gold standard in clinical trials are double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled studies! As far as I can see, the study you rely on does not meet these exact requirements, so it would be a major leap of faith to accept its inconclusive suggestions as the ultimate truth. I did not want to take the discussion this far, but c'est la vie!
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No I agree with you hence my "At least in CFS statement". With your statement said there is no reason to combine those 2 compounds that has been proven. Thus one must review the research and decide which compound they feel they will benefit from more.
 
Neuron; said:
No I agree with you hence my "At least in CFS statement". With your statement said there is no reason to combine those 2 compounds that has been proven. Thus one must review the research and decide which compound they feel they will benefit from more.
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I am not sure I completely understand your comment, but my position is still that acetyl-l-carnitine hcl, (glycine) propionyl-l-carnitine, and acetyl-l-carnitine-arginate will make a great mix. One might probably have to add a universal (fat-and-water-soluble) antioxidant such as an alpha-lipoic-acid form to address possible elevations in free-radical activity due to a potential boost in mitochondrial action.
 
strategicmove said:
I am not sure I completely understand your comment, but my position is still that acetyl-l-carnitine hcl, (glycine) propionyl-l-carnitine, and acetyl-l-carnitine-arginate will make a great mix. One might probably have to add a universal (fat-and-water-soluble) antioxidant such as an alpha-lipoic-acid form to address possible elevations in free-radical activity due to a potential boost in mitochondrial action.
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What's your position based on? Do you have any studies supporting your view? Why would you combine ALC and ALCA together?

If you're going to use lipoic acid NA or K R-Lipoic would be the only forms I would recommend.
 
Neuron; said:
What's your position based on? Do you have any studies supporting your view? Why would you combine ALC and ALCA together?

If you're going to use lipoic acid NA or K R-Lipoic would be the only forms I would recommend.
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We have come full cycle to post #1854! I know NA-RALA is the most advanced and stable form of ALA around. I deliberately generalized my reference to ALA.
 
Neuron said:
What's your position based on? Do you have any studies supporting your view? Why would you combine ALC and ALCA together?
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LEF have been promoting this combination. In their words "With the discovery of acetyl-L-carnitine arginate, the benefits of acetyl-L-carnitine can now be greatly augmented."

Neuron said:
If you're going to use lipoic acid NA or K R-Lipoic would be the only forms I would recommend.
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Dinoiii made quite a convincing argument to the contrary at bb.com recently.
 
a CAPPED version of your Long Jack (20:1) (30 grams)
at the amount of (100 caps/400mg)

just like your
Cissus Caps 50% (100 caps/400mg)

so I can purchase them together.
both being the main staples of my supplements along with pure DHA oil.

(begging pretty please with cherries on top for you to get it within 90 days if possible, when the last of my recent order runs out, and if you get it earlier I'll stock up.)
I'd buy it on a regular basis and it would stop me from having to get my supps anywhere else.
 
May be these have already been requested in which this is just a reminder, otherwise could you please carry :

Banaba extract (20 % corosolic acid) powder
Tyramine powder
7-hydroxy DHEA powder
 
Is Resveratol and Idebenone going to happen? I need to place an order for some and would rather spend my money with you guys!!
 
Resveratrol has been delayed repeatedly, should have been here 2 weeks ago. We've had the labels for a while, and early expecting the caps to come in by mid-week.

I don't think Idebenone will be happening soon. I mentioned NOW's Ubiquinol to Darren a while back but I don't think anything came out of that.

The banaba is slated down the road but not in the near future. I'll keep you guys updated when the ball gets rolling :)
 
My pleasure.

PS extra little tidbit for you guys faithfully requesting products;
The NutraPlanet Blender Bottles are expected late July/early August :) Now I've got to go see where those Divanex and ResV caps are at, they're slow as molasses!
 
Steveoph said:
We used to have it laballed Testofen, but we relabelled it as Invalid Link Removed

Guys thank you for all the suggestions and keep them coming. Things don't happen instantly, but your suggestions DO get the ball rolling! Keep it up :clap2:
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Awesome, thanks for the help.
 
how about good cholesterol caps? HDL in a capsule. most prohormones decrease HDL, some steroids do. you need HDL to build muscle even if you're natural - lots of people don't like eggs, and nobody sells HDL....
 
suncloud said:
how about good cholesterol caps? HDL in a capsule. most prohormones decrease HDL, some steroids do. you need HDL to build muscle even if you're natural - lots of people don't like eggs, and nobody sells HDL....
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Or perhaps just start carrying Policosanol :)
 
Iron Lungz said:
NOW's Policonsanol is very inexpensive and a great supplement in general.
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Indeed. 40mg every night before bed. This is the best time to take cholesterol supplements/medications. Couple this with Fish Oil at around 6g/day while on cycle, and you have a nice cholest stack there.
 
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