While the Boss is Away.....Part Deux!

Dr Packenwood said:
Good point. At this point its only been 2 weeks on full time. I have backed the carbs down, and maybe like you say, what I have been eating to gain weight is the new maintancence . I know after I dose, then work out I'm hungry as hell. I actually get the shaky hands about 2 hours after, then I snack quite a bit to stave it off.

I'll go back to what I was eating 4 weeks ago this week and see if that helps out. I put on around 10lbs with each cycle I've done so far, and I can tell it wasn't all fat at all. I'm hoping for another 5-10 with this one, but who knows. I won't give up on it yet.

And, I might stop the Juggernaught brand, and switch to the CEL brand. If I notice an immediate difference I'd say its the Jugger quality holding a brotha down.

What you think of that idea?
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dont see why not... phera's phera.... so try that out but I still say you need more carbs if your getting shaky bro, that means your likely getting hypo.... more caaaaarrrrrrbbbbsss :stick:
 
mi familia.........I AM PISSED!

Essentially, Matthew76's actions (bribing a tester and releasing the ingredients of 3-ad PUBLICALLY on bb.com) here has caused us to black list every single tester for 3-AD from ever testing with AX in the future. He knows who broke their NDA and unfortunately, a really great group of guys are going to get shafted because Matty and this one tester decided to screw everyone over. The only way this can be revoked is if that individual's name is disclosed.

To everyone who is testing 3-AD, I sincerely apologize for having to take this route. All of you, except for one, are a great group of guys whom we hand selected to test 3-AD.
 
macedaddy said:
mi familia.........I AM PISSED!

Essentially, Matthew76's actions (bribing a tester and releasing the ingredients of 3-ad PUBLICALLY on bb.com) here has caused us to black list every single tester for 3-AD from ever testing with AX in the future. He knows who broke their NDA and unfortunately, a really great group of guys are going to get shafted because Matty and this one tester decided to screw everyone over. The only way this can be revoked is if that individual's name is disclosed.

To everyone who is testing 3-AD, I sincerely apologize for having to take this route. All of you, except for one, are a great group of guys whom we hand selected to test 3-AD.
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What a class act.

-TF
 
macedaddy said:
dunno..........shady though for sure! I think he was salty i didn't pick him for testing it. :whiner:
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I would lay most of the blame on the tester though. You are always going to have haters and the competition.

At the end of the day, it was the tester that linked the info. Can't wait to hear the rest of the story on CNN

-TF
 
The whole issue confuses me.

Was there a nondisclosure statement faxed/signed before distribution of said 3-AD?

Also I'm curious, but why would him releasing the ingredients cause any problems?

And why a blacklist?
 
yes each tester signed an NDA. one of thsoe testers released the info to matthew76.

matthew76 released the ingredients publically. We are trying to figure out where the leak is. only way to know for sure is to not let current testers test again.

so 2 people ruined it for a whole LOT of people! (about 17)
 
ReaperX said:
Matthew said AX bribed him ? :think:
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well, yeah! we wanted to find out who told him. offered him product of his choice to reveal his source! He is all shady and then tries to say he is in the right because we BRIBED him? how'd he get the info int he first place. I'd like to know the price that was paid! lol!
 
here is the PMs between me and matt! (ingredients edited)

matthew76 said:
Your word has lost value, as well.

I'll just post a thread with the ingredient profile and see if people like it or not.


macedaddy said:
matthew76 said:
I gave my word I would not say.
macedaddy said:
matthew76 said:
Was this designed for GNC? (The new 3-AD)

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no.
where'd you get this info?
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you gave your word you would not say to a tester that is not suppose to release any info.? and then you ask me about them? not scoring real high in my book, matt!

Pretty much means no more testing opportunities before hand for AX products. plus, not sure i would select you as a tester, as obviously i can't trust you, cause you won't even tell me whats going on.
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Should I post the emails that Ken sent me?
macedaddy said:
well, yeah! we wanted to find out who told him. offered him product of his choice to reveal his source! He is all shady and then tries to say he is in the right because we BRIBED him? how'd he get the info int he first place. I'd like to know the price that was paid! lol!
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how about i do?

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ken Kraynak <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: 3-AD Ingredients
To: *******************>


Hi Matt,

We are assuming that whomever informed you was from Anabolic Minds. However, without us being certain of that, unfortunately we will not be inviting ANY of our current crop of 20 testers to ever test for us again because of this one individual. So a group of really great guys are all going to get shafted because of one guy's actions. A lot of people are really pissed off right now. Ultimately, it is what it is, but essentially, I am willing to offer you free product of your choice if you are willing to disclose the name of the individual who broke their promise to us so that 19 other guys don't get screwed over.

If you can provide screen shots of pm's sent to you by said individual, we can work something out.

Best Regards,

Ken Kraynak
Anabolic Xtreme
Director of Marketing



On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 2:45 PM, <******************> wrote:

Hello Ken, I'm assuming Mace informed you that I emailed him regarding the ingredient profile. Honestly Ken, I just wanted to know if it was designed for GNC. Mace then attacked my character because I would tell him who informed me. Which I am not going to drop their name. I'm a bit confused about the statement you made about working something out, so if you could clarify this I would highly appreciate it.

Best regards,
Matthew



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Matthew,

What do you hope to accomplish with this? There is nothing wrong with me trying to find out who leaked information and on offering you free product for information on who broke their LEGALLY BINDING NDA.



:cheers:
 
this is fvcking bullsh1t is not the first time this dude has gotten in to problems or cause some drama in this board wtf with several members he has had issues dont know why he keeps posting here.

and yep it was directed at you matthew, i dont need to hide or talk behind your back.


sincerely,
Gabe M.
 
macedaddy said:
jkeith is a MOD on bb.com, zombie! he isn't trying to buy Axis products. :lol:
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At the time I received the pm's I was unaware who Matthew was or that he worked for someone. I thought he was a non-affiliated member. Learning that he is actually working with another company, his posting the sensitive information (and also not disclosing who he was) at BB.com is a much bigger issue then I thought. He's now been banned. I'll also offer a slight apology to Biceps for jumping to conclusions so to speak.
 
macedaddy said:
jkeith is a MOD on bb.com, zombie! he isn't trying to buy Axis products. :lol:
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no bad rep for them

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Axis Labs does not agree with, appreciate, or condone Matthew76’s actions of disclosing confidential information. The actions of Matthew76 do not reflect the company of Axis Labs, and we are truly sorry that one of our reps has caused this. Matthew76 has resigned and is no longer a rep for Axis Labs.
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Matthew76,

I have some reps for you if you disclose who told you, and I am sure Easy will throw in some sex acts if needed.

Regards,

Testes F.
 
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