While the Boss is Away.....Part Deux!

Hmmm...I was looking for more of a mass/strength gaining stack. But at the same time preferring not to stack two methylated compounds. Perhaps some more research is in order.
 
Nabisco said:
Hmmm...I was looking for more of a mass/strength gaining stack. But at the same time preferring not to stack two methylated compounds. Perhaps some more research is in order.
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Yeah, don't think furaz. would be a match for those goals.

epi* + 1,4ad would be strength/mass, with only one methyl that you could probably get away with running 6 weeks.

Or you could do something fancy like 1,4ad for 6 or more weeks, and epi* only the last 4 if you're being cautious.
 
t3stxlr4titud said:
This is when pictures come in handy. Even if you do not show them to others, you can evaluate them yourself.

Now, the next thing is to determine how many calories you are taking in and how many you are burning.

-TF
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While I havecut back my calories just a bit, I didn't think I did it enough to break even on weight gain. Maybe its because Epi and Phera aren't a 'strong' as some of the other compounds I've used where I literally gained 10lbs on a maintanence diet. I didn't eat any more than normal when I took EPol last summer. It was harsh as hell by the way. Wish I would have been eating like a horse too
 
bitterplacebo said:
Is there a particular reason you want to do a stack, though?
Why not just one thing?
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No particular reason truly. I would like this to be my only cycle of 2008, so I'd prefer getting the 10-15lbs of solid mass on in 6 weeks. I've done it before with PheraPlex, but I wanted to do something less toxic. Perhaps I'm just wishing for the best of both worlds (i.e. being unrealistic).
 
Nabisco said:
No particular reason truly. I would like this to be my only cycle of 2008, so I'd prefer getting the 10-15lbs of solid mass on in 6 weeks. I've done it before with PheraPlex, but I wanted to do something less toxic. Perhaps I'm just wishing for the best of both worlds (i.e. being unrealistic).
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You could always pulse.

-TF
 
Dr Packenwood said:
While I havecut back my calories just a bit, I didn't think I did it enough to break even on weight gain. Maybe its because Epi and Phera aren't a 'strong' as some of the other compounds I've used where I literally gained 10lbs on a maintanence diet. I didn't eat any more than normal when I took EPol last summer. It was harsh as hell by the way. Wish I would have been eating like a horse too
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While if you can gain 10lbs off maintenance, you must have been deficient somewhere, because maintenance is exactly that, maintenance. In order to build muscle, you need the extra calories.

But what do I know. I am all natural.

-TF
 
Alright gents, I'm out of here until Monday. Everyone have a good weekend and good Easter (if you celebrate it).:wave:
 
Nabisco said:
I haven't heard many stellar results with the pulsing method, personally.
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And you probably never will.

People get all excited to proclaim they gained 18 pounds in 4 weeks from a cycle of X.

But there's not going to be much excitement around someone saying they were able to maintain a 4 pound gain from a 4 week pulse of X.

But those later results really are impressive if you think about it in terms of all the variables that come into play.
 
bitterplacebo said:
And you probably never will.

People get all excited to proclaim they gained 18 pounds in 4 weeks from a cycle of X.

But there's not going to be much excitement around someone saying they were able to maintain a 4 pound gain from a 4 week pulse of X.

But those later results really are impressive if you think about it in terms of all the variables that come into play.
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But if you pulse, you increase the duration and dosage of X.

-TF
 
However, pulsing is a safer way, which Nabisco is looking for, but you are correct, not the same gains as a straight run.

But then again I am only natural.

-TF
 
t3stxlr4titud said:
But if you pulse, you increase the duration and dosage of X.

-TF
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If you wanted to same results as a straight run, you'd do that.

But I always thought pulsing was more for patient people that didn't want the same results, so they actually do only slightly higher daily doses, and perhaps a little shorter duration that normal.
 
bitterplacebo said:
If you wanted to same results as a straight run, you'd do that.

But I always thought pulsing was more for patient people that didn't want the same results, so they actually do only slightly higher daily doses, and perhaps a little shorter duration that normal.
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Well, in that case, it just isn't worth it. If they are patient, then they need to be all natural like me.

-TF
 
hmm could be. I just recall the vampires in blade 3 dressed like that for their daytime activities, but it was a few years ago I last saw it
 
no, all my fetishes are sexual.

Although I must admit, I considered getting a "To punish and enslave" sticker for my car. But since it was on a mustang in the movie, I couldn't do that to my charger.
 
EasyEJL said:
no, all my fetishes are sexual.

Although I must admit, I considered getting a "To punish and enslave" sticker for my car. But since it was on a mustang in the movie, I couldn't do that to my charger.
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"A survey of Tampa Bay men finds that nearly one in 10 who identify themselves as "straight" have sex only with other men. About 70 percent of these men are married. Ten percent of all married men reported have sex with men during the past year."

-TF
 
I've made those statistics easier to understand:

7% of married men (to women because Florida doesn't allow gay marriage) in TB identify themselves as straight but only have sex with other men. (Their wives have never gotten any from them)

10% of married, TB, men (to women) have had sex with men in the past year.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I've made those statistics easier to understand:

7% of married men (to women because Florida doesn't allow gay marriage) in TB identify themselves as straight but only have sex with other men. (Their wives have never gotten any from them)

10% of married, TB, men (to women) have had sex with men in the past year.
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Yes, and I believe Easy is in the latter 10 percentile.

-TF
 
Dr packenwood...

How long have you been consecutively been running the Epi and phera now without interuption or sickness???

Also I really think that regardless you should be gaining if your on anabolics or not and that is all decided by your diet. Maybe your maintainance diet is no longer maintainance at this activity level given with all your strength and more intense workouts you buring more cals.

I remember you also stating you were watching and ramping down carbs. IMO thats a nono with phera and your lucky to not be going hypo all the time from it. Although the effect isnt as pronounced as SD I feel Phera also has a GREAT ability to load glycogen and you should abuse them tastey carbs more often...

Only back off on em if you see noticable fat gain.... not just a lil water gain either.

Any who how long you been on now?
 
lol. true.... I prefer phera for sure just cause of the possible risks that I seem to run into with SD more often then not.... thus me trading mine for a phera instead.


Cant wait to run it too.... frickin driving me nuts not being able to run Mass FX right now then blast right into my cycle... prob best right now, im low on dinero with work slowing down right after im hired. I want to make sure I do this right, can eat ALOT and get all the wonderfull supports I can (poseidon, extend, digestive enzymes and tons of cissus)
 
i have never used phera i might use it later on. right now im happy with havoc but i do want to try epistane and their clones like epidrol just to see the diff.
 
Zombie said:
i have never used phera i might use it later on. right now im happy with havoc but i do want to try epistane and their clones like epidrol just to see the diff.
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ya I think that for the most part you wont see much difference between havoc and Epi... of course I have my preference but I could chalk that up to its what I got my hands on first and who I rep... but who knows I havnt even run havoc.... still doubt youll see much difference.

The compound in general is hard to beat as far as benifits to sides and so little shutdown it causes and easily maintained gains. Just way too much good stuff to say about it, the only bad thing I can think of is dry joints and sometimes a back pump, nothing on par with SD though.

I really think phera is CLOSE behind though, its in my mind a wetter Epi. but def prone to more sides in more individuals. think i got some bad bacne and near the end (given it was stacked with prostan which converts to DHT down the line) a lil thinning that wasnt noticable to anyone but myself and came right back upon cessation. I think youd be very pleased with this compound as well sir.
 
poopypants said:
Dr packenwood...

How long have you been consecutively been running the Epi and phera now without interuption or sickness???

Also I really think that regardless you should be gaining if your on anabolics or not and that is all decided by your diet. Maybe your maintainance diet is no longer maintainance at this activity level given with all your strength and more intense workouts you buring more cals.

I remember you also stating you were watching and ramping down carbs. IMO thats a nono with phera and your lucky to not be going hypo all the time from it. Although the effect isnt as pronounced as SD I feel Phera also has a GREAT ability to load glycogen and you should abuse them tastey carbs more often...

Only back off on em if you see noticable fat gain.... not just a lil water gain either.

Any who how long you been on now?
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Good point. At this point its only been 2 weeks on full time. I have backed the carbs down, and maybe like you say, what I have been eating to gain weight is the new maintancence . I know after I dose, then work out I'm hungry as hell. I actually get the shaky hands about 2 hours after, then I snack quite a bit to stave it off.

I'll go back to what I was eating 4 weeks ago this week and see if that helps out. I put on around 10lbs with each cycle I've done so far, and I can tell it wasn't all fat at all. I'm hoping for another 5-10 with this one, but who knows. I won't give up on it yet.

And, I might stop the Juggernaught brand, and switch to the CEL brand. If I notice an immediate difference I'd say its the Jugger quality holding a brotha down.

What you think of that idea?
 
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