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p-plex gyno after 4 days?

lennoxchi

lennoxchi

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i may just be freaking out here but last Weds. i started my planned p-plex cycle 15mgs. for the first 3 days and on Sat. i bumped it up to 30mgs. which is what i wanted to stay at till the cycle was over with, total of 4 weeks or when gains stopped if before 4 weeks. yesterday (Sunday) after doing cardio with the gf (if you know what i mean) i noticed that my nipples were a bit itchy, no pain or other irritation but itchy. could be nothing, could be something. don't feel any lumps or anything else. has anyone had this happen? if so what did you do and what do you suggest? i started applying e-form yesterday 60mgs. and again this morning nothing right now but I'm concerned if this itchiness returns i might just scrap this cycle and deal with the possibility that PP is not for me but before i do that and possibly overreact I'm going to wait and see what happens for the next 2 days or so. what other symptoms of gyno should i be looking for? i know these questions are all over this post so answer what you can with the experience you have........much appreciated, thx!
 
Well PP is what gave me gyno as well. I probably noticed it after the first week. Puffy/itchy nips etc. By the start of the second week i could feel a lump under my right nipple. I really should have stopped there but i went on to complete a third week. By then it was a noticeable size lump. I was dumb not to stop as soon as i noticed it. If it gets any worse my advise is to stop the cycle. It really isn't worth the trouble. Fortunately for me my current Epi cycle seems to be killing the gyno (its only the 7th day and i can hardly feel the lump). At least get some P-5-P or B6 to run each day, preferably p-5-p. Goodluck mate.
 
if your not prepared for gyno then dont do steroids.

i hate to say youll learn the hard way, but i did. 3 cycles of PP later, i finally said 'damn, i dont want this to get any worse. i gotta stay natty'

so yeah PP gave me some quick gains but in the long run i wouldnt do it again because of the gyno. hell the gains werent even that good.
 
Australian made said:
Well PP is what gave me gyno as well. I probably noticed it after the first week. Puffy/itchy nips etc. By the start of the second week i could feel a lump under my right nipple. I really should have stopped there but i went on to complete a third week. By then it was a noticeable size lump. I was dumb not to stop as soon as i noticed it. If it gets any worse my advise is to stop the cycle. It really isn't worth the trouble. Fortunately for me my current Epi cycle seems to be killing the gyno (its only the 7th day and i can hardly feel the lump). At least get some P-5-P or B6 to run each day, preferably p-5-p. Goodluck mate.
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..........P-5-P, got some, running it ED.
 
RenegadeRows said:
if your not prepared for gyno then dont do steroids.

i hate to say youll learn the hard way, but i did. 3 cycles of PP later, i finally said 'damn, i dont want this to get any worse. i gotta stay natty'

so yeah PP gave me some quick gains but in the long run i wouldnt do it again because of the gyno. hell the gains werent even that good.
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generally speaking your right...if you can't take the possible side then don't do the steroid. and i'm not trying to piss you off, but i expected a bit more from someone who's been around as long as you.
 
bassgod272 said:
dose 50mg 3-4 times per day. also keep using the e-form. it seems a bit soon for you to be having estro related sides however. any bloating at all? also, certain compounds do make your nips a bit itchy from time to time, like superdrol for example. just don't play with them constantly, take your p5p, and if you're bloating at all, continue the form and increase dose as needed. I'm sure you'll be fine though. it's when they actually become painful that you should worry and take action with a SERM. so many people quit early when all they needed was a little AI or prolactin control, and they would've been fine. keep us updated on how things are going bro.
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yea dosing 3 right now, and yes there is a bit of bloating. my concern for having to use the e-form right now is, i was going to run nolva and trione for PCT, nolva 40 for 3 days then 30, 20,20,10 inverse the trione @ 100 for 3 days then 200,300,400, concern being will this plan still be good? or will it make my estrogen go up and down to much? causing god knows what......:whiner:
 
Did your GF recently wash the bed sheets with new detergent? Did you have a change in detergent recently?

Any lumps?

Only 4 days and you show Gyno.. Yikes.
 
ValorOfOne said:
Did your GF recently wash the bed sheets with new detergent? Did you have a change in detergent recently?

Any lumps?

Only 4 days and you show Gyno.. Yikes.
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no, i don't believe she did anything like that.....and i have and currently do my laundry over there....so i don't think that's it. i'll keep a close eye on this situation and keep you guys posted. going to keep the e-form going and see what happens...any advise on that PCT plan? anyone?
 
lennoxchi said:
no, i don't believe she did anything like that.....and i have and currently do my laundry over there....so i don't think that's it. i'll keep a close eye on this situation and keep you guys posted. going to keep the e-form going and see what happens...any advise on that PCT plan? anyone?
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Do you plan to finish your cycle?


You stated you have Nolvadex on hand.. (Unless is misread.)

Just run that 40/40/20/20..
Cortisol control
Natural test booster
Supports and such.

I'm sure you know how a PCT looks if you are running Phera.
 
bassgod272 said:
No, your PCT plan is solid other than the fact that you ned to run the trione for 1 month AFTER PCT and taper the dose back down to avoid the gyno. You didn't answer my question, lol. Are you experiencing any bloating?? If not, you don't need the e-form yet. If you're still feeling the nip sensations today and tomorrow, up the p-5-p by 50mg and see what happens. If you ARE bloated and feel estro related sides, which you shouldn't be feeling yet, add in the form at 80mg and go from there.
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i am a bit bloated, i upped my food intake though, i'm currently eating pretty clean at around 4300-4700 cals a day, a basic 40/40/20 split. i think I'll stop the e-form, just been using it for 2 days now so shouldn't be that big a deal. I'll see what happens and keep you guys informed. thanks again to all that helped.........
 
lennoxchi said:
i am a bit bloated, i upped my food intake though, i'm currently eating pretty clean at around 4300-4700 cals a day, a basic 40/40/20 split. i think I'll stop the e-form, just been using it for 2 days now so shouldn't be that big a deal. I'll see what happens and keep you guys informed. thanks again to all that helped.........
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No problem, I wish you the best of the luck.

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newb here so please excuse me.. but what is p5p and e-form? Link me up and I'll do the reading myself =) thanks
 
Very helpful thank you.. googled ;)

bassgod272 said:
p-5-p is pyridoxal-5-phosphate. coenzyme of vitamin b6. 50mg p-5-p = 250mg of b6. b6 inhibits prolactin at about 600mg per day. it also causes ner damage at doses at and above 200mg per day. p-5-p does not have any toxicity issues like b6, so it's better to use than the latter of the 2. it's pretty cheap too. e-form is a formestane product made by dermabolics. formestane is an aromatase inhibitor. got google? :)
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I don't mean to hijack your thread or anything but I've been planning a hdrol and pp cycle for a while and I've been wondering. I'm going to have Nolva on hand before I start it, then if I happen to get itchy nips or sensitivity, could I just start an AI like atd or 6-oxo partway through?
 
Only problem with formestane is that the only route I see as the best way is to get a bulk powder and cap em but I don't know where I could get a scale that would measure as low as into the tens of mg... For cheap I mean.
 
Brian5225 said:
Only problem with formestane is that the only route I see as the best way is to get a bulk powder and cap em but I don't know where I could get a scale that would measure as low as into the tens of mg... For cheap I mean.
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you can buy it already pre mixed in a spray bottle like i did, i think it was around $29 for a bottle. just google e-form and you will find it. Form is not taken orally, gonna say it again "form is NOT taken orally". You can buy it in bulk like you stated and mix it yourself follow these directions Invalid Link Removed .......or you can (if your a bit lazy or don't have enough hours in the day like me) buy it like i stated, already to go in a spray bottle. it was also mentioned by a couple of people (if your gonna mix it yourself) to add dome trione powder to the batch. hope this helps!!!:drunk:
 
Gyno? Itchy nips = fo shizzle gyno?

3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: Invalid Link Removed

4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:
 
ValorOfOne said:
Do you plan to finish your cycle?


You stated you have Nolvadex on hand.. (Unless is misread.)

Just run that 40/40/20/20..
Cortisol control
Natural test booster
Supports and such.

I'm sure you know how a PCT looks if you are running Phera.
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Thats not the only option for nolva pct. I've done what he is planning successfully.
 
Itchy nipples does not mean Gyno. Itchy nipples could be from increased sweat, detergent change.. Acne.. Hell it could be from wearing a tight shirt.

Just because your nipples itch doesn't mean you have gyno. And most "Sensitivity" is from people feeling the hell out of them for "Lumps". This causes bruising and this in turn causes sensitivity. I would say a rough 80% of gyno posts are pure nonsense rather then actual outbreak. But that is my opinion.
 
LilPsychotic said:
Thats not the only option for nolva pct. I've done what he is planning successfully.
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Nowhere in my post did I say that my way was the only way. I've never stated that there was any one way to skin a cat when it comes to PCT. In fact, if you read most of my posts, you will find that I usually stay grey on many issues due to the overwhelming debate on such issues.


(Hopefully this isn't a double post.)
 
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