Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
hehe...that trend does seem to happen a lot. I remember when I was young (16-26) and full of anti-authority thought.
Young Liberals are Killing America
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hehe...that trend does seem to happen a lot. I remember when I was young (16-26) and full of anti-authority thought.
Dagron
Member
This is quote worthy. One sentence that says it all. :cheers:
Dagron
Member
I'm a currency speculator so you don't have to tell me twice that the Dollar is tanking... it's fiat in the first place, it has no real value, it is only worth what someone is willing to give you for it at the time of a transaction... centralized banking, fiat, and monetary systems in general are an entirely different conversation for another day. I find Libs and (most) Conservatives alike are equally clueless in this arena. I don't want to derail the topic except to say that yes spending like drunken sailors and letting the Fed print more money will devalue the currency, but there is a lot more to it than that.
Back on topic a bit here, I had this exchange with a customer at work just yesterday. I helped him find the products he needed, he was all excited, then told me he would be back in a week when he gets paid again, making the comment "College is so expensive!" I agreed, saying that I'm still paying for it, and he says to me "Well, I don't have any school loans or anything, so I should be grateful. Heck I'm a foreigner so it's much cheaper for me to go to school here... *frowns* come to think of it, it's pretty stupid that it's cheaper for ME to go to school here than YOU, isn't it?" We both laughed at the absurdity of it all and he left. I just had to share that, it's rare that the takers of handouts realize the stupidity of the system and voice concern!
Back on topic a bit here, I had this exchange with a customer at work just yesterday. I helped him find the products he needed, he was all excited, then told me he would be back in a week when he gets paid again, making the comment "College is so expensive!" I agreed, saying that I'm still paying for it, and he says to me "Well, I don't have any school loans or anything, so I should be grateful. Heck I'm a foreigner so it's much cheaper for me to go to school here... *frowns* come to think of it, it's pretty stupid that it's cheaper for ME to go to school here than YOU, isn't it?" We both laughed at the absurdity of it all and he left. I just had to share that, it's rare that the takers of handouts realize the stupidity of the system and voice concern!
Australian made
Well-known member
Yes i know. Rates went up again on Tuesday i think. only 25bps. 50 was expected. Hopefully that is the last one. I am in the process of house hunting. Its killing me.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I think that is pretty universal. the sad part is that some dont grow out of it.
SureShot
Member
Quote:
A few kids aren't destroying America...it's the politicians who are and the people who let them do what they want and get away with it.
Its not a "few kids", its a mindset that many young people tend to carry into their 20's and 30's. I think that was the point.
Jerry thank you, that was exactly the point, it seems that I have touched a nerve with the displaced Canadian who is now living in bushwick i mean "east williamsburg."
A few kids aren't destroying America...it's the politicians who are and the people who let them do what they want and get away with it.
Its not a "few kids", its a mindset that many young people tend to carry into their 20's and 30's. I think that was the point.
Jerry thank you, that was exactly the point, it seems that I have touched a nerve with the displaced Canadian who is now living in bushwick i mean "east williamsburg."
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Yep. Trying to avoid a bubble like we had...Greenspan raised them 17 straight times. Fortunately for you, the sub prime fiasco has opened a lot of eyes so you won't fall into that trap.
Gutterpump
Banned
As far as I know, you have to go into debt here to get any sort of surgery done. I guess those health policies are fine, until people get really sick.
Sales tax may be higher in Canada, but I'm getting raped on income tax here.
I was making just as much money up there, with great benefits as well. I came down here for a temporary change in scenery, plus I have a lot of friends here whom I've been doing freelance work with, and a girlfriend here. You think I only came down here for money? Opportunities? The market is larger yes, but for talented professionals in Canada, it's pretty good up there too, just a little colder lol.
Overall, factoring in cost of living and income, the markets, etc, I may have been doing better monatarily in Canada actually, but I'm not complaining. I like NY.
That's exactly what I thought this thread to be when I saw it pop up. I can't vote here, I'm not really trying to debate in one way or another. Simply saying that there are a lot of useless liberal kids, as well as useless conservative brats with no talent and only money and networks working for them to get through life. It works both ways.
Not all are crooks but there are crooks in every system, and not one single politician is perfect. My idea is just to vote for the lesser of the two evils, whichever that may be.
I'm not very biased when it comes to political parties. In fact I am doing work on a Republican Senators campaign (completely of my own free will, on the side), even though I am not conservative. While working on this, I became a little shocked at some of this person's policies and beliefs. I have seen far more extremism in the far-right conservatives than I have seen with liberals. But yeah I also think you're right. Canadian Liberals are a little different. The party itself is right of center. The NDP (new democratic party) in Canada is a bit left of center and I would never vote for them. If the US had a larger party in between the D's and R's, I think that'd be a better spot to be in. I see too many extremes down here on both sides.
EasyEJL
Never enough
ah the "as far as I know". Sorry, nope with decent health insurance you usually are in the $500-1000 range for surgery. My father has had 1/2 a lung removed, and his prostate, and neither was all that expensive. Its not having health insurance coverage and then needing surgery that drives you into debt. But most of the people who don't have the coverage could afford it, they just choose not to. If you can afford restaurants, cable tv, internet service, cigarettes, beer, etc and then still say you can't afford insurance, I have no pity for you.
CryingEmo
Well-known member
I have a job and 'health insurance,' and it doesn't cover much. They claim you have coverage, but always use loopholes to get out of it, and leave me with most of the bill.
Needless to say I'm not thrilled with the current healthcare situation, and there is a reason it's one of the biggest issues for americans.
Needless to say I'm not thrilled with the current healthcare situation, and there is a reason it's one of the biggest issues for americans.
Gutterpump
Banned
Tbh I don't know much about your politicians down here. I know that I like living here, and I enjoy having a work visa that I can renew indefinately since I am a professional from Canada, thanks to the free trade agreement. If Obama disagrees with this, then down with him lol. I have also heard some republicans who denounce the FTA, I think there's people on both sides who do.
It's interesting when speaking of Canada's health care system. It's one of the best in the world. In fact Canada is rated to have one of the highest standards of living in the world as well. I completely love the United States though, not bashing it here at all...and of course I am only versed with living in New York City, definately not good to compare it's standard of living, I'd say it's much different that most other American cities.
About my comment on over-expensive schooling in the US, I didnt' mean it was necessary to go to one in order to get a good job. Whoever made that comment was right, it's not necessary to have this degree or that degree to become successful, takes a lot of hard work. Overall though, higher- education in the US seems tailored to the rich, or the upper-middle class at least. Education should be a right, for everyone. Right now I hear speak of tiered tuition costs across the board for people with different backgrounds. Very interesting, not sure how that will work out though, but it's definately an interesting thought.
CryingEmo
Well-known member
You're treading on thin ice canadian, we don't like your kind around these parts.
LOL, j/k.
I'd like to go to different countries like canada and sample their healthcare systems so to speak.
Gutterpump
Banned
LOL I feel americanized already, thanks to my gf and lack of trips back to the 'homeland'. I'll probably have my green card here one day and who knows, maybe my citizenship. Then I may be more welcomed around here haha, jk.
I gotta say she doesn't like me talking much about Canada though either :sad:
I gotta say she doesn't like me talking much about Canada though either :sad:
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
No, your wrong. I am covered just fine but as with any policy there is a deductible.
Then your accountant sucks because our tax rates pertaining to income is lower here than in Canada.
Yes, but this country gives you that opportunity as where most others do not.
You live in one of, if not, the highest taxed state in America. Why? Liberal/Democratic tax policies.
There are more liberal, left wing, anti-authority youths running around than conservative, fiscal responsible, traditional value youths. Obama is a rock star with the liberal youth for a reason.
They've been saying that for centuries.
I don't think you look at our version of liberal very often because its very different from a Canadian liberal who is a "bit right of center"
Ours are 3 miles left of center. Center isn't in the picture.
That's because the rules the news. The people that decide the election are independents and moderates. That's the reason why during the primaries you see the "extreme" views to gain party nomination but then veer to the center for the general election.
Gutterpump
Banned
I just did a bit of research, seems that your Libertarian Party is the equivalent of our Canadian Liberal Party. I guess that would make me a Libertarian down here.
EasyEJL
Never enough
thats vaguely respectable then. BTW, the reason your taxes seem high is that you live in NYC. There is a separate state income tax (which not all states have) as well as a city income tax. So they are hitting you probably for a good 10% more in taxes than in most other states.
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
Oil bumped up to ~106 overnight. It was great.
BTW, what happened to the list of thread viewers?
BTW, what happened to the list of thread viewers?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Chad
Banned
HEY! that sounds like a good idea! what schools have figer painting programs???!!!!:think:
SureShot
Member
I'm sure NYU might have one lol
Polynomial
Member
Because while I don't need two plasma screen TV's, super-fancy-cable with five billion channels, and other unnecessary sh!t, other people might need some clothes?
Or maybe it's so that we can pay community health professionals who can spot troubled people before they go shooting everyone up?
Let me ask you this: when a member of your family runs into financial trouble, do you help them out or leave them in the cold?
Do you have the slightest idea how underfunded cancer research currently is? And how much progress would be made with proper funding?
This whole thread leaves me saddened by the fact that a lot of you seem to forget that 'liberals' constitute 50% of your countrymen. I will say though that I've never met a young conservative who didn't use liberal-hating as a way of escapism from his own self-esteem issues. You know, hide with the 'hated' minority so that you don't have to compare yourself to your peers who seem to be out there leading successful lives.
SureShot
Member
I'm leading a successful life, so whats your point? I did explain pretty thoroughly my point of view, and yes, of course there are exceptions.
Polynomial
Member
What about the liberal philosophy is causing all these problems with the youth?
SureShot
Member
I think this was already explained like 25x by various people in this thread. I also said how this problem is being carried by the youth in to their friggen 30's as I have observed. This was also explained numerous times.
Polynomial
Member
I just read some rants about privileged kids living off their parents' money, people handing out pamphlets instead of working, and some rant about the Nationalist party that sounded awfully like something out of Mein Kampf.
I also found out that people who don't want our soldiers to die are evil commie scum.
I'm still not sure what all that has to do with modern American liberalism?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Interesting interpretation. Not surprising though.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
So let them spend their own money.
Or maybe we could actually hold parents responsible instead of creating a nanny state.
Depends on the situation.
Then donate more.
That whole paragraph left me saddened. Then I laughed.
Polynomial
Member
The point is that they don't have their own money. And it's not because they don't work. The problem is that our economy could not support large salaries for everyone that's willing to do the hard work. Can you imagine what would happen if factory workers got paid $80k a year?
I know someone who came from a very hardworking family. Unfortunately her father had a stroke, leaving the family with 3 kids part dependent on state programs, like meals for kids and medical benefits. Because of that, this person is now going to be a in a top tier graduate school probably doing cancer research. All because your taxes went on to pay for some of her meals and clothes.
Jerry said:
I think that's a great idea, but last I heard it was mostly conservatives (especially Fox news) who were blaming every shooting and youth problem on music, video games, or other stupid things instead of the parents.
Jerry said:
Unfortunately that's not enough. It's preferable that everyone donates, and that's exactly what taxes are. Maybe at this day and age we can all agree that we should all invest into things like curing cancer and education.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
I guess you missed the billions in fraud during the early and mid 90's that made Clinton himself reform his own programs...or was that before your time?
Funny, there is Canadian (in another thread) working here that will tell you otherwise.
Medical disability is a bit different than income redistribution.
:lol:
Yeah, Fox News. Seriously, get a hold of the bleeding heart. You have the rest of the media (liberal) vs Fox News. I'm sorry that your monopoly is over.
Yes...invest...investing is a choice, not a mandate.
You are 24 correct?
Polynomial
Member
Jerry said:
So you've managed to not address almost any of my points.
Again, here they are:
1) Social programs are necessary. This doesn't have anything to do with who corruption.
2) Who spends more time blaming youth problems on video games and music, instead of the parents: conservatives or liberals?
3) Majority of hard working people in blue collar jobs do not make decent salaries and their kids benefit from social programs.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
No, I've not addressed them to your liking.
1. Social programs are a reality. Nobody said otherwise. Expanding them is the problem (as its been proven time and time again)
2. Is there a poll? In this conversation its even. Happy?
3. Then don't have kids if you can't afford it.
And once again, are you 24?
Polynomial
Member
Yeah, and I've seen sh!t that you haven't seen, and you've seen sh!t that I haven't seen. You've just had more time to see more sh!t.
For example, I've seen underprivileged black kids work twice as hard as their suburban counter parts in university classes (that I teach) because they had to. You know why? Because their high school didn't get enough money to hire good teachers, get supplies, and give them a halfway decent place to study, so they had to work their ass off to catch up to the other students. Who, by the way, had AP credits and a sense of self-entitlement built up beyond belief. And you know who gets the good jobs at the end? Is it the capable smart kid who works twice as hard but can't afford to buy a suit to go to the interview because he's already up to his neck with debt because his family is piss poor? Sometimes he does get the job, but less often than he should.
I've also seen people not go to doctors, letting their health deteriorate, just because they can't afford medical insurance. They work hard, but somehow don't make enough money.
Jerry said:
Why is expending them a problem if they're necessary?
Jerry said:
No polls, but perhaps we can look at law makers?
Jerry said:
Sure, but why should you not be able to afford it if you're working your ass off?
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
There is a difference in seeing it, and living it. Try living it for a couple years before you pass judgement on how everyone else should live. At 24 and a grad student, you aren't exactly in the position to be telling anyone how their income should be taxed.
Considering I pay for my own and know exactly how much it is, its not a matter of affording it. I know exactly how much it costs to cover 2 people (who I pay for). Do you? Because quite frankly, its not that much. People CHOOSE not to pay for it.
Cost.
Nanny state? No thanks.
Why can't you afford a private jet if you work your ass off?
Polynomial
Member
Who is in the position to be telling anyone how their income should be taxed?
Jerry said:
I've considered switching my plans since my University provides really ****ty coverage, and my cost would be around $100-150 / month. I could afford that, but I'm not the kind of person that the issue is about.
You do make a good point that many people who could afford insurance just don't get it. But I think that the amount of people who cannot afford it is still significant (especially children of irresponsible parents). I don't believe in a government health care program, but I do think that the government should work more with the industry to assure that all people are covered, regardless of the method.
Jerry said:
Well, if it's necessary, then we should probably pay for it. Just like insurance
It seems that people tend to ignore social programs until they need them. The current housing market situation shows you how much Americans think they're entitled to compared to how much they can afford.
I wonder what would happen if for 1 day everyone in the world insisted on a salary sufficient to attain the lifestyle of middle-class Americans. It's hard enough getting free refills on soda in Canada.
Jerry said:
Owning a private jet isn't the same as having a kid. Well, at least it used to not be the same as having a kid. I think it's a bit unfair to let only the rich folks have kids, since like I've said, many children who grow up in underprivileged homes have to push harder and end up accomplishing more than their "silver spoon" counterparts.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
As a liberal, shouldn't you know this?
Yeah, the person its about actually has a job.
So everyone else has to fork the bill for irresponsible parents? No thanks.
People don't want to pay for it because people gamble with their healthcare and people in there 20's and 30's think they don't need it. They would rather buy their Iphone and spend $150 a month on their cell phone than health coverage. Once again, its there choice not to pay for it.
When something happens they cry foul because the government doesnt have socialized health care when they could have easily avoided the bills if they actually showed a bit of personal responsibility.
If they truly can't afford it, they have Medicaid.
Nobody said its necessary for everyone.Well, if it's necessary, then we should probably pay for it. Just like insurance
And the general public shouldn't have to pay for those few who can't budget their own checkbook. Thats the problem..people think their entitled...they are not.
The majority do not. If you can't afford having a baby and can't afford paying for its health care and needs, don't have it. Its unfair to expect the general public to foot the bill because of peoples bad, irresponsible or selfish choices.
Off to bed. Have a chiro appointment in the morning. One I paid for
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
Without factual statistics, both of you are talking out of your ass.
My family has adopted SIX children that came from these 'stupid' parents.
I am primarily conservative in my views. But, I believe in the well being of ALL people... ESPECIALLY those that had zero choice in that situation (primarily the children).
Really, you are doing a disservice by saying "f-you" to those kids based on the irresponsible parents actions.
"Blah blah, I made it on my own." Bull f-ing sh!t. Everyone needs a start.
My family has adopted SIX children that came from these 'stupid' parents.
I am primarily conservative in my views. But, I believe in the well being of ALL people... ESPECIALLY those that had zero choice in that situation (primarily the children).
Really, you are doing a disservice by saying "f-you" to those kids based on the irresponsible parents actions.
"Blah blah, I made it on my own." Bull f-ing sh!t. Everyone needs a start.
bigrobbierob
Active member
Instead of writing a long diatribe myself, I'll just say I agree with Jerry.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Then add +1 to the "kiss my ass" column.
Good for you. Doesn't mean I HAVE to.
Nobody is saying dump the kid in the street Einstein, we are saying we don't want to KEEP forking the bill ALL the time. If you an economic class of people that keeps reproducing without having the ability to pay for it the money is running out. Ask France.
And what are we doing when we don't a damn thing when those people KEEP DOING IT? You have what you have in the 90's, poor mothers having more children to get higher welfare checks (while they put the kid up for adoption and pocket the money). On top of that you have illegal immigrants moving here JUST to have a baby so our government can take care of them (which make the children automatic citizens). The result? We end up subsidizing the mother and kid. The result? You have states like Arizona, New Mexico and California on the verge of bankruptcy.
Blah blah blah..that about sums up your entire point. Talking out my ass? Maybe take the stick out of yours.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Actually there are already programs covering about 30 million americans who truly can't afford it. The fact is that most of the people who say they can't afford it somehow manage to afford cable TV, beer, cigarettes, drugs, rims, $100 sneakers, etc. Its not a case of not being able to afford it, its that the health insurance doesn't seem important enough to them for it to be high enough priority to pay for.
SureShot
Member
You betcha. Just taking a drive by any housing project and you will see Escalades and Navigators with Pennsylvania plates that have never seen Pennsylvania.
Polynomial's posts make sense coming from him, he is a 24yr old grad student, everything so far he knows some lib professor taught him.
EasyEJL
Never enough
But someone made a CHOICE to stick a d!ck in a woman, and that woman made a CHOICE to not have an abortion. Why should people who are successful be FORCED to take responsibility for those 2 peoples choices?
I think your family is great, and that is a super thing to do. But also it was your choice to do that, not the government forcing it on you.
I grew up on free school lunches in a tiny school in rural NJ as my parents income was so low. I tried attending college away on student loans, but burned my years worth of money in one semester. Tried local and community colleges, but paying my own way meant having to work, and work always got in the way of school. I ended up giving up with about 40 credits. Right now I get paid 6 figures (really really low 6 figures, but 6 figures nonetheless) because i've worked hard to get the correct and valuable experience to do that.
Why should $17,000 come out of my pay a year to cover a jackass who doesn't care enough to wear a rubber when he fvcks some skank in a housing project? I could have a nanny for my own kids at that $
EasyEJL
Never enough
I hear people say that but have never experienced it myself. Births of 2 children, my dad having 1/2 a lung removed and chemotherapy, then a year later his prostate removed, and no insurance issues.
CryingEmo
Well-known member
It makes sense that if you had to overcome those circumstances to get where you are now, then you don't want someone in the same situation you were in to get a free ride, because it isn't fair, plus it's actually some of your tax money that is going to them, ironically.
I can understand that 100%. What I don't understand is when someone is born with wealth, and their entitlement to it. Yeah it's their's, but they didn't work for it, and that doesn't seem fair either. I guess the question is, what's fair and what's not?
Nabisco
Well-known member
Everyone is born in certain circumstances. Someone will be born into a situation that they have to overcome (poverty) and someone will be born into a situation where everything is pretty easy (wealth). That doesn't mean one should HAVE to pay for the other.
I can never understand why I should have to pay for someone else to stay at home and collect a check. So what I was part of a upper-middle class family? Yes, you're right, it was "easy" for me to get into college. But I worked hard to get my degree. I've worked hard to raise my salary 24% in less than two years. In fact I've given up family, friends, and a social life for a good portion of that two years to boost my salary that fast. So why is it that because I make more money than the majority of Americans at the young age of 23 should I be forced to pay for someone who doesn't WANT to work for their money. I believe there are programs out there to help people back onto their feet. Do I believe they are worthwhile? Some of them. Should I have NO CHOICE in supporting them? Thats ridiculous. If I'm forced to pay taxes to support programs like that, at least allow me to choose which programs my support goes to.
I lived in Macon, Georgia for a little under a year. I've driven through the nice neighborhoods with the 500k-1.5M dollar southern homes. And then I've driven through the areas filled to the brim with government subsidized housing. And you know what I saw in the gov't subsidized areas? People standing on their porches wearing designer clothes in the middle of the work day, with jewelry hanging around their necks, and expensive cars with expensive rims. Now tell me something. Why should someone who has worked to build a comfortable (or more than comfortable) life for themselves and their families be forced to pay the subsidies on those homes for those kind of people? It's obvious that they have money, because their spending it.
I am not, nor should I be fiscally responsible for anyone except myself and my family. I don't need a government telling me what to do with my money. Does the gov't require taxes to function, yes, and I pay those gladly for the kind of life that this country provides me. Do I contribute to charities? Yes, on a yearly basis, but I do it by CHOICE. Welfare is a joke, and its more often than not, abused. So I'll be damned if I vote for someone who is going to raise my taxes to pay for everyone in this country who wants a free ride. I agree 100% with Jerry and Easy. I didn't chose to impregnate that single mother living off welfare...she, along with her partner, decided that. So why am I to be punished for their choices?
I can never understand why I should have to pay for someone else to stay at home and collect a check. So what I was part of a upper-middle class family? Yes, you're right, it was "easy" for me to get into college. But I worked hard to get my degree. I've worked hard to raise my salary 24% in less than two years. In fact I've given up family, friends, and a social life for a good portion of that two years to boost my salary that fast. So why is it that because I make more money than the majority of Americans at the young age of 23 should I be forced to pay for someone who doesn't WANT to work for their money. I believe there are programs out there to help people back onto their feet. Do I believe they are worthwhile? Some of them. Should I have NO CHOICE in supporting them? Thats ridiculous. If I'm forced to pay taxes to support programs like that, at least allow me to choose which programs my support goes to.
I lived in Macon, Georgia for a little under a year. I've driven through the nice neighborhoods with the 500k-1.5M dollar southern homes. And then I've driven through the areas filled to the brim with government subsidized housing. And you know what I saw in the gov't subsidized areas? People standing on their porches wearing designer clothes in the middle of the work day, with jewelry hanging around their necks, and expensive cars with expensive rims. Now tell me something. Why should someone who has worked to build a comfortable (or more than comfortable) life for themselves and their families be forced to pay the subsidies on those homes for those kind of people? It's obvious that they have money, because their spending it.
I am not, nor should I be fiscally responsible for anyone except myself and my family. I don't need a government telling me what to do with my money. Does the gov't require taxes to function, yes, and I pay those gladly for the kind of life that this country provides me. Do I contribute to charities? Yes, on a yearly basis, but I do it by CHOICE. Welfare is a joke, and its more often than not, abused. So I'll be damned if I vote for someone who is going to raise my taxes to pay for everyone in this country who wants a free ride. I agree 100% with Jerry and Easy. I didn't chose to impregnate that single mother living off welfare...she, along with her partner, decided that. So why am I to be punished for their choices?
Polynomial
Member
Are you just mock-posting, or are you seriously MOD EDIT: Stop it.
Sometimes I don't catch humor online, sorry.
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
I am mostly in agreement with you guys. My late-night point was really based on compassion for those that had zero choice that they were born from a mother trying to sit on her ass and collect a check. I'm totally against the government forcing people to give up their hard-earned money to others.
The tough part is how do we help those types of people that really 'need' it and not those trying to milk the teet.
I wish there were some way to sterilize the milking bastards from the get-go.
The tough part is how do we help those types of people that really 'need' it and not those trying to milk the teet.
I wish there were some way to sterilize the milking bastards from the get-go.
SureShot
Member
We are now stooping to name calling? Please do not get your liberal panties in a bunch. You keep saying over and over again you do not like the original title of the thread. So i propose a change to it: LIBERALS are killing America. To sum up my final thoughts on the subject:The attitude that young liberals (like yourself) carry into their later years is hurting our country. Your constant justification of others being supported through taxes and government programs proves to me that you have not held a real job, have not experienced first hand what it is like to have your hard earned money used for those who DO NOT work hard. Are you one of those college wonder kids that will just continue going to school and learning about underfunded cancer research instead of DOING something about it?
ShakesAllDay
Well-known member
I'm all about that.