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Leviathan/DCP/Drive 8 week recomp

EasyEJL said:
I wish I could reduce my VAT problem. I think a bit of it is tied to my high estrogen levels.
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Tends to be Cortisol related. Have you used Napalm or Lean Extreme?
 
no, but I have some napalm here. I spiked my bulk lipoderm-u I bought a while back with clen and started using it thursday on love handles + abs, so was going to rotate to the napalm in 2 weeks. I also have lipoburn from LG, and will be using dermacrine sustain for PCT, so i'll be rubbing all over myself for a while now. I do have retain 2 as well, maybe i'll kick that in during PCT
 
EasyEJL said:
no, but I have some napalm here. I spiked my bulk lipoderm-u I bought a while back with clen and started using it thursday on love handles + abs, so was going to rotate to the napalm in 2 weeks. I also have lipoburn from LG, and will be using dermacrine sustain for post cycle therapy, so i'll be rubbing all over myself for a while now. I do have retain 2 as well, maybe i'll kick that in during PCT
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Try 11-OXO or Lean Xtreme if you notice a definite problem with waist circumference.
 
I will be using lean extreme with my next cycle. Always reduces my waist quickly at the onset.

I will likely be looking at some Napalm for my lower back/love handles come March.

Good to know that what I am experiencing isn't out of the ordinary. I was wondering about the reduction of my waist.
 
If finally happened, a sub par workout. I was really getting spoiled but I was working unbelievably hard and it caught up to me. Most of my woes were on push press, the rest of the workout wasn't too bad.

On the plus side I have definitely noticed more fat loss, and I will be doing a weigh in after 4 weeks. I was 254 to start and I estimate in the neighbourhood of 5 to 6 lbs fat loss. We'll see what the scales say should be interesting. My guess is 247-9.
 
badfish51581 said:
If by issue you actually mean awesome! Well, at least as long as he doesn't have digestive issues.

Joe
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Has anyone reported GI issues with this stack before?

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to be a downer or anything, just trying to edumacate myselph. ;) It does indeed look like quite a sick stack.
 
papagunz said:
Has anyone reported GI issues with this stack before?

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to be a downer or anything, just trying to edumacate myselph. ;) It does indeed look like quite a sick stack.
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I have no GI issues with the DCp/Levi but have never added in Drive.
 
Yes there is some digestive issues, nothing out of hand though. The benefits outweigh the small problems. I have some periodic bathrooom issues though yes. If it gets too uncomfortable you can lower the drive dosage. I haven't had to but I may yet.
 
I just started Leviathan, and I'm starting DCP soon, so I'm really interested to see how my "pill peers" do on it.
 
john123131 said:
good luck, very potent stack...
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This man speak truth...John is well-known as "The Prophet of Palo Alto."

/either that or the "Crazy Cantankerous Canuck...I get confused"
 
Ok I am burnt out on this routine, leg day sucked, I have nothing left. Time to change up thank God.

On a positive note I am continuing to slowly lose fat, I did not get to weigh in this week as I don't have a scale at my temporary residence here in Montreal. I got stuck in an elevator for 2 hours and missed my train back home, where I do my weigh ins.

I am pretty steady in the libido department. I may add a couple home visits during lunch this week for a little extra activity. I live very close to work.

Mucscles are very hard, there seems to have been some growth but that has slowed. My new routine will be aiming for muscle hardness and strength. I hope there is still something left after the last one, will have to take it a bit easy at first.
 
Definitely sounds like a plateau...a good routine change will do you some good, IMO.
 
Not a typical plateau, this is burn out. I have had some experience with this feeling. I sometimes design routines that are so grizzly that they tear me apart. I should actual consider some time off but I will just take it easy this week instead. Anyhow I always change my routines every 4 weeks, and plan them out well ahead of time. I change the psychology of the routine which too me is the only way to fully take advantage of periodization.

Another thing is that the type of routine I was on is not well suited to progression as it is already very intense and I really forced it. The routine I am doing now is all about progression, I will just start reasonably light and see how it goes.
 
So I took it pretty easy on myself yesteday but had a decent workout. My strength was just ok, but I know I am exhausted.
I am on a heavy coupound 2 day split so I will drop day 3 for this week, and should be nice and strong for next week.

Noticing the fat melt away slowly. At the end of all this I may have to look into getting some Napalm, as already my problem areas are standing out.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Noticing the fat melt away slowly. At the end of all this I may have to look into getting some Napalm, as already my problem areas are standing out.
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This truly is where the topicals become amazingly effective. Due to receptor concentrations and hormone levels, some strange spots are just resistant to burning. The topicals will hit these areas an "get 'em gone".
 
dsade said:
This truly is where the topicals become amazingly effective. Due to receptor concentrations and hormone levels, some strange spots are just resistant to burning. The topicals will hit these areas an "get 'em gone".
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Good to know
 
Ok just a cardio day yesterday but I had to come and mention that I have lost a little more around my waist. I noticed that when I put on my 38" chinos yesterday that they were too big, and today I am wearing 36" dress pants and the were quite snug previously but now fit perfectly with room around the waist. I must have taken off another half inch.

I have to get a scale just for reference, I don't use it to see how much weight I lost but I like to see how much muscle I have retained. I find that unless you put on a lot of muslce recently your perception gets altered and you start looking smaller even when your aren't. Some call it bigorexia or some damn thing. I remember sitting in the restaurant and commenting on how big I thought some guy was and my wife leaned over and said "he's not as big as you". I was pretty surprised as my perception of myself altered.

Anyhow I must be between 245 and 250 somewhere. The closer to 250 the better I have done, 245 would still be very acceptable.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Some call it bigorexia or some damn thing. I remember sitting in the restaurant and commenting on how big I thought some guy was and my wife leaned over and said "he's not as big as you". I was pretty surprised as my perception of myself altered.
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Maybe she was just trying to flatter you to get you into the sack?

Great job on the further loss..your results truly are spectacular so far.
 
She doesn't need to flatter me, I'm easy lol

Yah if I can maintain my mass I will be quite a beast when this is all done. I have been thinking of what I want to do next, I have 3 bottles of IGF2 and some lean extreme. I will likely get some Napalm. How much will I need for 8 weeks. I have 3 problem areas, the worst is the love handles the rest may take care of themselves.

I also have some Size On I will throw into the mix. There might be some left over Activate as well.
 
DreamWeaver said:
She doesn't need to flatter me, I'm easy lol

Yah if I can maintain my mass I will be quite a beast when this is all done. I have been thinking of what I want to do next, I have 3 bottles of IGF2 and some lean extreme. I will likely get some Napalm. How much will I need for 8 weeks. I have 3 problem areas, the worst is the love handles the rest may take care of themselves.

I also have some Size On I will throw into the mix. There might be some left over Activate as well.
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For 8 weeks you would need 2-3 bottles of Napalm.
 
I was also thining of thowing in some sesathin but it's out of stock at NP.

Well last night was a decent workout, not too taxing. It is the second day of a 2 day split and like I said I will forgo day 3 to gest some much needed rest. To top it all off I am fighting off a cold. I am still winning just barely so that must be sapping my strength as well.

I noticed something this morning that makes me think that I am maintaining muscle, when I put on my jesns I noticed there was no change in the way they fit on my thighs and butt. These are always very lean areas for me so the only way I would lose much there is by losing muslce. As a matter of fact my thighs seem slightly bigger. I think I have been able to add some size on my hamstrings through some improved techniques.
 
So I ordered 3 bottles of Napalm and 2 of Sesamin, I will run this with the IGF2 and Sizeon. Maybe some other goodies I have in my cupboard. I still have 3 weeks left of this stack then I will take a week off and after that the new stack. Always planning ahead.
 
So I got my goodies already, damn that's fast. I am all set for phase 2.

I can see I am getting leaner, but I am feeling a bit fatigued, even with the extra rest. My cardio sessions are lacluster. Well cardio sucks anyway. My legs feel kind of dead, I hope I am ok for squats tonight because I was planning to push the weight up.

Any suggestions how I should run phase 2. I have Sesamin, IGF2 and Napalm. Should I throw in some lean extreme or will that be redundant with Napalm. I may just take everything as directed. The sizeon I will just use as I always do during workout and late in the evening on non-workout days.
 
nice log i havent commented in here before i dont think but ive been following cuz thats an impressive stack...and on the phase-2 that looks sick. ive used sesamin and just make sure you take it three times a day with meals with at least 10 grams of fat. also try and keep it away from ur workout i believe. and lx shouldnt be redundant with napalm in my opinion...but if its the newer one it will have forskolin in it and wit drive and lr u have been on it for 8 weeks(with this said many say you can run forskolin up to 12 weeks with great results)...blah srry to carry on so much hope i may have helped even just a little.
 
No that's helpfull, I didn't know I had to take the sesamin with that much fat, wow. I will have to alter my diet somewhat. I have plenty of fish oil and flax around.
 
DreamWeaver said:
No that's helpfull, I didn't know I had to take the sesamin with that much fat, wow. I will have to alter my diet somewhat. I have plenty of fish oil and flax around.
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yea i believe most ppl who complain it doesn't work fail to use this kinda protocol. trust me this stuff is great tho and it destroys cheat meals lol
 
So what do you do with your leaner meals take like 10 grams of fish oil lol
 
Ok last night was a better workout. I really thought my legs were going to be dead but I pulled through pretty well. Bench was a bit stuborn to progression as usual, but I am still fighting of this cold.

I have noticed some extra definition this week, thats progress and that's all I need. Even though I can't verify it with the scales i appear to be maintaining my mass very well. My muslcles are very hard and I am feeling very tight.

I seem to be winning against this cold that is trying to get me, I just have to continue to get good rest. I really find that being on this stuff you definitely need extra sleep. I mean much more than normal. It makes sense cuz your body is racing all the time thats got to be exhausting.
 
DreamWeaver said:
So what do you do with your leaner meals take like 10 grams of fish oil lol
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naw usually i'd just dose it with the three meals i kno had ten grams fat...if its too low just toss in some almonds.
 
i could try to explain but i think its best if i post some ive read before stating to and why...but to my understanding it oxidizes fat and i believe it activates ppar-alpha...here are some quotes about the +10 fat meals...and hope that helps....

Sir Savage said:
Beau, I think SesaThin is most effective on low carb diets, taken probably three times per day with fatty meals (10+ grams, immediately after eating them), which isn't hard at all on low-carb diets.

Some guys go as low as two doses per day, some as high as four, though. So if you can't do three per day for whatever reason, cram it down into two.

SesaThin is non-stimulant, so it stacks very well with stimulants, as well as other non-stims (non-PPARalpha).
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Stay Puft said:
A great way to take advantage of SesaThin dosage is to consume a small snack -- a handful of nuts and piece of fresh fruit for example -- and take a standard dose of SesaThin.

Doing this immediately before bed or between meals is ideal to get prolonged PPAR-alpha activation and sustained fat oxidation. The added calories should obviously be accounted for, but this will enhance your SesaThin-induced fat loss to some degree over the more is more philosophy of dosing outlined above.
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Yah I guess that is pretty simple as most meals contain at least that much fat. Do most people just take 3 a day as directed or is there any benefit in taking more.
 
Ok back to the business at hand. The mirror is showing good progress as fat slowly melts away and there is no apparent signs of muscle loss as a matter of fact the legs are looking bigger. My shoulders are looking very wide which is always a good sign of fat loss and muscle retention.

No doubt I am tired I, running this for an extended period does take it's toll, and I have been far from easy on myself. 2 more weeks and I take a much needed break.

Last nights workout was above average. Progression is a bit stubborn which is a little frustrating as this is what this program is designed for. It's extremely bad timing for this type of routine though. I should have done the progressive power routine first and he intensity short rest interval one second. Live and learn.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah I guess that is pretty simple as most meals contain at least that much fat. Do most people just take 3 a day as directed or is there any benefit in taking more.
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srry didnt see this...but yea some do take more than 3 servings a day but usually thats recommended for the more overweight
 
Yah I am about 20 lbs (maybe less) away from being able to say I am really cut. I guess I don't fall into that category so I will just do the 3. Incidently 20 lbs on a man my size is not really that much. Most of my problems occurs in isolated areas hence the Napalm. I figure by the time Napalm melts my love handles the other areas will almost cease to be a big problem. So it will be just touch ups from there on out. My goal is to be at around 10% and reduction of problem area fat. This will be an excellent maintenance level for me, maybe were talking even 12% who knows or cares as long as it looks good.
 
Not much to report from this weekend, I did some cardio and it seems that I am slowly coming out of this cold thing but was very tired so I took the opportunity to get some rest, and frolic with the wife. This stack has me ready for action all the time. Maybe that's why I am tired lol

I am experienceing quite a bit of soreness, I am hoping I feel better by tommorow as I have some heavy lifting to do. Just cardio again tonight, I am actually a little behind I will catch up later in the week.
 
Well I continue to notice more definition every couple of days it seems. I have definitely maintained my mass, I actually think my legs are a little bigger.

I am tired though, it's a combination of a cold which has turned into a mild case of bronchitis (an anual event for me). I missed most of the cold symptoms and thought I fought it off but I am prone to bronchitis. It's a pain when my lungs are constantly congested. My workout regime has been tough and the time of year is not really condusive to energy. I do believe that the stack has worn me down a bit too. I will see it through though. This is nothing I can't handle, less than 2 weeks left.

I was looking at my next stack and I noticed that I might need to add something more anabolic such as a test booster of some sort. I was thinking of Phyto-Testostorone to keep my strength and endurance up. I will do a quick re-read of IGF2 properties perhaps it will take care of that for me. Any other suggestions would be most welcome.
 
Ok better day at the gym last night, there was some definite but slight strength increases on all exercises. Bench is still a bit stubborn but I managed to add an extra rep to my heavy lifts. It want up grudgingly but I was definitely a little stronger this week, which is a bit surprising cuz I was feeling very tired.

I got a really good sleep last night and feel 100% better today. Good and sore, hard and tight. Saw a little extra definition in the mirror. I continue to hold my mass very, very well. The results are not what one might call amazing or overnight changes but slowly over time these supps really do there job. Strength gains along with other changes are gradual. I will also remind you that I am on a slight calorie deficit and doing a lot of cardio so you have to consider, where I would be without supplementation, I would likely acturally be losing strength.

I continue to be quite amourous as the sex drive is very steady. Again take in consideration that I am losing weight, or fat anyway.
 
Ok I'm back on track, I feel much better and all my lifts are up. I am definitely gaining size on this stack. It's hard to believe but I am looking very large.

Muscles are rock hard, I was a little off on my diet this week but I don't think that was that damaging. I will have to get it back on track for my next cycle though.

Was very drained when I got home from the gym last night, I was lifting very heavy. Didn't stop me from celebrating valentines day with the wife. This stack keeps me pretty randy and that aspect seems to get more apparent over time.
 
Oh yah, will up my LR intake to 6 a day 2/2/2 for the remainder of the 9 days I have left on this cycle.
 
keep up the good work man...sounds like everything is going very well for you
 
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