Why young ppl go on rampages

[ReaperX]

In respect to the Columbine shooting, and also the Virgina Tech shooting, while it is easy to point the finger at the shooters, a lot of people really miss the point. I think everyone has this mentality that the shooter is some evil person, etc, etc, etc. This however is a very misguided media perception....not to mention gulliable.


Growing up is a very important time in a child's life and also too the most vulnerable. I don't understand why teachers and staff are so relunctant/apathetic to intervene in these types of situations. When I say 'situations' this referes to how it is 'acceptable' in society to condem one person for being different which ineviatably occurs at a young age for many kids.

I recall when I was 6 yrs old and in 1st grade (which was quite sometime ago), there was a kid in my class who basically harassed me and was a racist and made racists remarks all the time.. Apparently this was acceptable (1990) as it continued very frequently. I told my mother who talked to both the principle and the teacher. All this lead to was us being seperated (i.e. spaced in different parts of the classroom) which only instigated the situation to be worse.

Looking back on the situation I should have just went to a different school, but due to just moving to the area, etc, etc, etc just wasn't an option at the time. I remember that I always used to dread every morning going to school because I knew I'd always catch shlt.....of course mind you this was all when I was 6 yrs old.


Eventually later on he kept up his attitude and he started ripping on ppl that I knew for being poor. They jumped him in the parking lot one day and he had to go to the hospital for it.


When people do shlt like that to other people what do you expect is going to happen ? They instantly want to be in the Peace Corps ? I can relate to the Columbine shootings and while I do not agree with it, there is a rational behind it that no one seems to see since they are inevitably fixated on 'Eminem'.

It all comes down to the individual, how the situation was when they were experiencing it, and many other mitigating factors.

As adults we pretty much condem each other on virtually every aspect (money, race, looks ,etc)....however as adults these types of situations are easier to manage.

However as a young child or young individual this is not necessarly the case. School admins need to be extremely proactive and put a stop to a lot of cliques/bullshlt in schools as it has a much more damaging effect than they'd like to acknowledge.

Nowadays you can just file these kinds of things with the police as a 'hate crime'.

 

[Australian made]

I don't really see your point at all? How can someone justify taking a gun to school and killing 10 other students because he didn't run with the cool kids? What are you trying to say here? Bit different to waiting for a bully outside the school and jumping him with a bunch of your mates.

 

[ReaperX]

I don't really see your point at all? How can someone justify taking a gun to school and killing 10 other students because he didn't run with the cool kids? What are you trying to say here? Bit different to waiting for a bully outside the school and jumping him with a bunch of your mates.

It is not a justification, it is a rational and explanation behind why young adults 'snap' and commit the actions that they do.

Btw, I wasn't in on that bit, those guys did it all on their own and eventually got arrested for it.

 

[dsade]

I agree with you somewhat....every individual is different, and every "breaking point" is different.

What we have is a toxic cocktail of situations that, unfortunately, will continue to get worse.

 

[ReaperX]

I agree with you somewhat....every individual is different, and every "breaking point" is different.

What we have is a toxic cocktail of situations that, unfortunately, will continue to get worse.

It is human nature to condem one another. That's unfortunately the reality of life.

 

[Australian made]

It is not a justification, it is a rational and explanation behind why young adults 'snap' and commit the actions that they do.

Btw, I wasn't in on that bit, those guys did it all on their own and eventually got arrested for it.

I see what your trying to say. The fact is the Colombine shootings in particular were planned between two students correct? Its not really about "snapping" is it? When you snap it is usually an instant reaction to something thats bothering you not something you go and plan and put videos on Youtube about (Virgini Tech).

 

[ReaperX]

I see what your trying to say. The fact is the Colombine shootings in particular were planned between two students correct? Its not really about "snapping" is it? When you snap it is usually an instant reaction to something thats bothering you not something you go and plan and put videos on Youtube about (Virgini Tech).

Probably the term 'breaking point' is more informative. It is like filling up a cup with water. You can keep filling the cup, but eventually it will overflow.

 

[RedwolfWV]

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Man I was harassed in gradeschool I went to a private school under scholarship. My family was poor, and all (most) of the kids there were rich.

There is no excuse for it. You suck it up, grow, and learn that not everybody plays fair. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior no matter how hard or deep you look for one and try to justify it.

 

[dsade]

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Good question. You now live in a spoiled society full of people with an entitlement mindset.

You live in a society that throws you in jail or removes your children from you if you spank them.

 

[ReaperX]

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Man I was harassed in gradeschool I went to a private school under scholarship. My family was poor, and all (most) of the kids there were rich.

There is no excuse for it. You suck it up, grow, and learn that not everybody plays fair. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior no matter how hard or deep you look for one and try to justify it.

I'm not saying there isn't personal responsibility because there is and as humans we all have that choice. Are you supposed to 'man up' when your 6 yrs old ? As I stated before, people react to different situations in different ways some much harder than others.

Take for example organic chemistry. Two people could take the class, and someone might find it easy and another person might find it very hard. Or the combination can be mixed around.


Same deal in life's experiences.

 

[RedwolfWV]

I'm not saying there isn't personal responsibility because there is and as humans we all have that choice. Are you supposed to 'man up' when your 6 yrs old ? As I stated before, people react to different situations in different ways some much harder than others.

Take for example organic chemistry. Two people could take the class, and someone might find it easy and another person might find it very hard. Or the combination can be mixed around.


Same deal in life's experiences.

No, your not supposed to "man up" when your 6. But its a whole different story when you are 16. Yes, then you need to "Man Up" Never said it would be easy. The right thing to do isn't always easy.

 

[Nabisco]

I don't agree with this bull**** that so many people toss out there. Well they were picked on, they weren't in the cool kids group, people constantly made fun of them. What happened to parental responsibility? What happened to some people are just ****ing crazy? Must there always be an underlying issue to the fact that some people minds are messed up?

I moved to PA in 8th grade from Australia where I had lived for the previous 3 years. The school district I moved into was full of very rich kids, who had been there since preschool, so I'm sure no one needs it spelled out for them. I became the socially acceptable kid to make fun of...even the kids that normally GOT made fun of picked on me. I was skinny, had a funny accent (partial aussie/partial US), I had a bowl cut, and those kids used every possible insult on me, because they could get away with it. I can't tell you how many days I left school in tears those first few months. The school counselors said it was just "part of the process for kids". My parents tried everything, nothing worked. I walked down the hall every day to chorus' of "(Nabisco), Australian for queer" an obvious derivative of the "Fosters. Australian for beer" commercial. I eventually learned that the less emotion I showed to this verbal jabs, the less they took pleasure from it and the less it happened. I moved on, "manned up" so to speak, built a small group of friends, and moved on. This kind of verbal and even physical harassment continued until I graduated high school. I was thrown into a locker in front of a teacher by one of the "star" football players and the teacher ignored it so as not to get the other kid in trouble before the weekends game. I tell this story for one reason alone. I survived that ****, and I never ONCE, not ONCE thought about taking a weapon into that school and killing people. Did I wish I could kick their asses? Of course, its the reason I started lifting weights, so I could get big enough that those taunts would stop. So I have no sympathy for these weak, cowardly mother ****ers who decide to take lives for insults or slights they received in life. Most of them don't even target specific people who "tortured" them or caused them pain. What does it prove when the murder innocent people other than they really are the vile pieces of excrement that they've been told they are?

Society coddles people now-a-days. Let fists come back into the equation. Let kids settle their differences without fear of being sued. Then they won't feel that their only option is to do something drastic. And to all the parents out there. Care and love your children, but don't forget to watch them. Sometimes you have to be objective about things that your children do. How often do you see children throwing tantrums until the kid wins out in public? How often do you see children dictating to their parents what is going to happen, out in public. Take control of your children, you're their parent not their childhood friend. If you 16 year old shows you an AK-47, you take that **** away from him/her punish them. Show them that its wrong and you won't allow it. Don't let it slide because "it looked so old, I didn't think it'd work". That Omaha shooting could have been stopped if a parent/guardian had have stepped in earlier. For the love of all thats holy take some ****ing responsibility.

/rant

:smite:

 

[ReaperX]

The way people deal with situations is a case by case basis. I don't condone nor support violence by shooting at your classmates. There needs to be a parental and teacher intervention. It upsets me that the teacher witness what happen to you and did nothing. There also is a responsibility that falls on parents. A lot of parents out there, to be honest, suck and are completely unqualified to be one.


Let's say we take your situation Nabisco, and combine it with an abusive father or some kind of abusive family. Ok, now we have a synergistic scenario now....that makes it easier to take out on someone at school.

There are too many mitigating factors to pin point one, however when you get all your ducks in line it spells disaster.

 

[AE14]

I really think alot of parents lack in their discipline of children, and they never truly learn consequences. I see it all the time as a teacher. Kids dont understand that their actions are guided with a consequence. I think a lot of this is the fault of the parents lacking in their ability to be what they are supposed to be

 

[Irish Cannon]

Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?

 

[bioman]

It is never acceptable to end your own life or the lives of others because of your mood. Ever.

What we need to be asking is why kids view this form of violence as the ultimate message to society that they are hurting?

Above and beyond teaching personal responsibility, there needs to be more dialogue centered around telling kids that feeling horrible is not only temporary, but treatable as well. There has got to be some hope instilled in these young people otherwise they go down the road to Hell without ever knowing about the good possibilities.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Everyone's breaking point is different as so are the levels of their mental disorder. I grew up in a ****ed up world with just about everything that could happen did and I never once thought of ending my own live or random people's. I thought about taking out my anger on those who directly affected me and at times, did but I never thought about taking them out along with everyone near them.

We are in a society filled with victims and they will act as they feel they should. You feed their minds with this garbage and they will act on it. It's never okay to belittle and harass others but it happens and it will continue to happen. You teach people that there are other methods of dealing with it and evern if those fail, it should never be acceptable to take out innocent lives or group in the extremes...i.e.,those who beat the **** of out you on a regular basis being grouped in with those who may have laughed at you one time when you tripped.

It's a ****ed up world with ****ed up people and if you take the time to actually talk with your friends and neighbors you will find that there are a lot more out there than you think, who have gone through horrible ****. It should be your job to stop that cycle and try to add to the good and help someone's life become better. Not tell those around you that they are justified in horrible acts.

Just my opinion.

 

[ReaperX]

what people 'should do' and what happens in reality are 2 different things.

Negative experiences+negative emotions really plays games in some ppls heads. It is easy an adult to say this or that, but as I said before, at a young age the thought process is not necessarly rational which can be greatly coupled with distressed emotions leading to violent outbursts.

 

[Distilled Water]

Good question. You now live in a spoiled society full of people with an entitlement mindset.

You live in a society that throws you in jail or removes your children from you if you spank them.

Man this is so true. At times it's so hard as a parent too keep control in public but it starts at home IMO. I'll admit I spank from time to time but there are effective ways and they are only used in extreme circumstances. Time outs are surprisingly pretty effective for me.

It's amazeing how highly kids will put juice or other things such as toys,videos,etc... on their priority to have list and a good parent should know these. If my boy does something he knows is wrong and I tell him all he can have to drink is water for the rest of the day because of what he did, which 99 times out of 100 he knows is wrong, and carry it out the whole day. He doesn't do it again and a mere warning of no more juice straighten hims right up.

When friends see how I don't put up with his tantrum crap in public (after he's been with grandma and grandpa for the weekend etc..) they say "OMG how can you do that, I just give little johnny whatever he wants" It makes me wanna punch them in the face,lol.

Parent's now-a-days don't tech their kids how to act responsibly and take responsibility for their actions. I don't care how you look at these kids. They're all pieces of S H I T along with their parents IMO, There is absolutely no excuse for taking another, person's life because they made fun of you or in some cases totally innocent. End of story.

 

[Jayhawkk]

Negative experiences+negative emotions really plays games in some ppls heads. It is easy an adult to say this or that, but as I said before, at a young age the thought process is not necessarly rational which can be greatly coupled with distressed emotions leading to violent outbursts.

No, it's easy for me as an adult to tell you what I went trhough and how I reacted as a 'child/teen/young adult'. Those who act out their anger in mass killings like the ones described above are the actions of mentally unstable minds that would eventually break. That's the underlying issue...that these are disturbed people commiting these crimes.