Bunk M-drol, Start EPI?

[MentalTwitch]

my 3 bottls say:

/092107
/09/2009

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ok once again...this is the batch ion question.

I ran it for 3 weeks 10/20/30 and only got 4-5lbs out of it and the first week i had upped cals. No other sides or changes. A few lifts went up but not much and i actually switched to more of a powerlifting routine.

That being said. If you wait CEL is testing the MDrol.
I repeat CEL PMed me back saying they are testing it. IT wakes time and money and they have their other issues right now.

So in the meantime, dont use it if your not confident. OR use it but dont start complaining if things dont go good.

CEL is doing what they can. I may just send mineback for 2 newer ones. If you htink that may be an optin for you PM THEM FIRST.

 

[pm39120]

CEL pm'ed me saying that they retested the batch in question and it came out 99% pure with 9.9mg in each cap.

 

[dawaro]

Not to add fuel to the fire but I was on the 2nd week of a cycle using the batch in question and at the end of the week had no gains, actually had a 3# loss. I am eating 3200-3500 cals a day on a 55 protien/25 carb/20 fat diet. Training method is the Max-OT program. In addition to no gains I have also had no sides at all.
Anyway long story short I switched ot a different batch, 072107 I think, and after the third day I can tell a major difference in todays work out and the sides are kicking in, minor joint pain and lethargy. I am currently at 2 caps a day.
You be the judge...

 

[UnrealMachine]

Not to add fuel to the fire but I was on the 2nd week of a cycle using the batch in question and at the end of the week had no gains, actually had a 3# loss. I am eating 3200-3500 cals a day on a 55 protien/25 carb/20 fat diet. Training method is the Max-OT program. In addition to no gains I have also had no sides at all.
Anyway long story short I switched ot a different batch, 072107 I think, and after the third day I can tell a major difference in todays work out and the sides are kicking in, minor joint pain and lethargy. I am currently at 2 caps a day.
You be the judge...

That does it, 092107 as a batch is fukked, this makes it 6-7 reports of no gains and not a single report of 092107 working.

I didn't believe this at first, sux that this could happen to such a solid clone like Mdrol.

 

[dawaro]

I need to say in defense of CEL they have agreed to replace the bottles I have, but with a different product. Their thought is I am just not responsive to M-Drol so there is no sense in taking it. I am probably going to swap it out for some H-Drol. I dont think you could really ask for more out of a manufactuer so thumbs up to them for handeling the situation.

 

[MystikalSoul]

answer i got from CEL :

For that batch of M-Drol, we had it retested and again it was confirmed that
it was 99% pure, 9.9 mg per capsule. We will be posting the lab results
shortly. They just came back yesterday.

As a service to anyone just wanting to ease their mind, we will exchange any
unopened bottles for a newer batch, but keep in mind that the testing
results on that batch are identical to the newer batch.

 

[MentalTwitch]

I need to say in defense of CEL they have agreed to replace the bottles I have, but with a different product. Their thought is I am just not responsive to M-Drol so there is no sense in taking it. I am probably going to swap it out for some H-Drol. I dont think you could really ask for more out of a manufactuer so thumbs up to them for handeling the situation.

I got a PM today.
1. they agreed to switch.
2. ONLY Mdrol for Mdrol. Simply because, you bought the product, you want to trade it to knwo if it works. So this is how you find out.
3. I respect CEL ALOT still. ALways had a great low price cloned all "bunk" and isomer stuff aside.

CEL is a great company for products and guest service. I have a feeling my new MDrol will go great and hope it does. I was very excited about the compound and that it was such a great price.

 

[gotripped]

I got a PM today.
1. they agreed to switch.
2. ONLY Mdrol for Mdrol. Simply because, you bought the product, you want to trade it to knwo if it works. So this is how you find out.
3. I respect CEL ALOT still. ALways had a great low price cloned all "bunk" and isomer stuff aside.

CEL is a great company for products and guest service. I have a feeling my new MDrol will go great and hope it does. I was very excited about the compound and that it was such a great price.

i'm hoping that nutraplanets new stock they receive will not be this bad batch.

 

[MentalTwitch]

i'm hoping that nutraplanets new stock they receive will not be this bad batch.

I havea feeling this batch has been fully distributed already and after this feedback it wont be sold through Nutra. MAybe other places if this hasnt happend or they fail t be mature enough to handle the situation accordingly.

I just hope everyone form here on out can be pateint becasue i am sure CEL still has their other M14AD stuff goin on and the rep that PMed me said he was sick. So hang in there and now its just a matter of time.

 

[MystikalSoul]

I got a PM today.
1. they agreed to switch.
2. ONLY Mdrol for Mdrol. Simply because, you bought the product, you want to trade it to knwo if it works. So this is how you find out.
3. I respect CEL ALOT still. ALways had a great low price cloned all "bunk" and isomer stuff aside.

CEL is a great company for products and guest service. I have a feeling my new MDrol will go great and hope it does. I was very excited about the compound and that it was such a great price.

hey mental, with all the bad reports of that batch u think i should send my 2 bottles for replacement??

 

[MentalTwitch]

hey mental, with all the bad reports of that batch u think i should send my 2 bottles for replacement??

I really dont want to make that decision for you. But if i were you...and i so obviously am not...and read all the threads and situations. Yes. IT doesnt hurt. As long as you can be patient with CEL. They are still awesome.

PS- I cant wait to run my HDrol cycle as this stuff has NEVER in my reading had a bad report.

 

[gotripped]

i'll buy your bottles @ 5 bucks a piece.

 

[MentalTwitch]

i'll buy your bottles @ 5 bucks a piece.

Ill pass.

 

[In Hulk]

My 2 M-drol's were made about 3 months before the bad batch. I hope they're good to go.

 

[MystikalSoul]

mental have u sent yours back yet? if yes let us know how long it took CEL to get your replacement

 

[matthew76]

1 week... Comp. Edge Labs were more than quick, and they actually sent mine over night, even though I didn't ask them to.

I traded in 1 bottle of M1,4ADD, and 1 bottle of M-Drol for two bottles of H-Drol.

 

[MentalTwitch]

1 week... Comp. Edge Labs were more than quick, and they actually sent mine over night, even though I didn't ask them to.

I traded in 1 bottle of M1,4ADD, and 1 bottle of M-Drol for two bottles of H-Drol.

lucky you. i have a feeling since you had 1M4ADD they let you get the Hdrol since it was a for sure bunk.

Well i have not sent mine back. I havent had time to get the adress and get it shipped. I have a box though.

 

[UnrealMachine]

well CompEdgeLabs PMed me back and its ok for me to exchange my Mdrol for new stuff, all I gotta do is send it in.

not sure why they tested that batch at 99% purity when i've seen about 7 bros here who got bunk results, no question about it.

Anyway CompEdgeLabs is handling this very well so im feelin a bit better

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

Just wanted to post and confirm that there WAS NOT a bad batch.

We had the batch in question tested before we released it, and due to the questions that arose here, we had it retested again. Again, same result. 99% purity, 9.9 mg per capsule as evidenced by the attached report.

Also, note that the other batch number on there reflects the most recent batch being currently distributed.

 

[MentalTwitch]

Thanks again CEL for letting us exchange even though the results show as they are. Much respect. Keep the goodo work going.

 

[2k2ser]

well CompEdgeLabs PMed me back and its ok for me to exchange my Mdrol for new stuff, all I gotta do is send it in.

not sure why they tested that batch at 99% purity when i've seen about 7 bros here who got bunk results, no question about it.

Anyway CompEdgeLabs is handling this very well so im feelin a bit better

Are they letting you exchange any opened bottles? They responded saying I could get the sealed bottles replaced. I've only used a few caps of the bottle. So, I guess I'm out 20 bucks for that bottle because I opened it. They shouldn't make me keep a bottle of "unknown/bunk" M-Drol.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Are they letting you exchange any opened bottles? They responded saying I could get the sealed bottles replaced. I've only used a few caps of the bottle. So, I guess I'm out 20 bucks for that bottle because I opened it. They shouldn't make me keep a bottle of "unknown/bunk" M-Drol.

It isn't unknown, or 'bunk'. He has posted several COAs that correspond to both the 'bad batch' in question, and other batches. I am not sure how much more proof you need. CEL has gone ABOVE AND BEYOND the requisite proof barrier for a product. He has shown time and time again, even a few posts above, that M-Drol has a 99% purity match with the original Superdrol. It is Superdrol.

 

[Nilla]

2 bottles here,GAY!!!

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[UnrealMachine]

It isn't unknown, or 'bunk'. He has posted several COAs that correspond to both the 'bad batch' in question, and other batches. I am not sure how much more proof you need. CEL has gone ABOVE AND BEYOND the requisite proof barrier for a product. He has shown time and time again, even a few posts above, that M-Drol has a 99% purity match with the original Superdrol. It is Superdrol.

I haven't sent mine in yet. I have ended my Epistane pulse and i'm now taking Mdrol until i can determine if it's bunk or not.

There are about 7 users who ran batch 092107 Mdrol for weeks and got ZILCH from it, and 1 user for whom it worked fine, based on this I now think that the majority of the batch is contaminated.

I took 10 mg today and will take 20mg for the next week and report back my findings.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

No amount of empirical evidence will dissuade you from holding an opinion based on experience, and I won't dispute that. But I'm starting to get pretty ****ing pissed off at people who haven't even run their bottle yet saying how 'gay' it is that it's 'bunk'. I'm not sure how much clearer one can get than 99.9% pure at 9mg a capsule.

And I would add that I trust the 'user experience' of most of the people running these designer steroid cycles as much as I trust my weatherman. I'd say the majority of the people crying wolf have a weak diet, and even weaker training regime. I wouldn't underestimate the power of a horrible diet and unorganized training regime to negate any potential gains from M-Drol.

 

[Nilla]

No amount of empirical evidence will dissuade you from holding an opinion based on experience, and I won't dispute that. But I'm starting to get pretty ****ing pissed off at people who haven't even run their bottle yet saying how 'gay' it is that it's 'bunk'. I'm not sure how much clearer one can get than 99.9% pure at 9mg a capsule.

And I would add that I trust the 'user experience' of most of the people running these designer steroid cycles as much as I trust my weatherman. I'd say the majority of the people crying wolf have a weak diet, and even weaker training regime. I wouldn't underestimate the power of a horrible diet and unorganized training regime to negate any potential gains from M-Drol.

Id guess your refering too me?
I did not say it was bunk nor did i say it dosent work.
I was simply unhappy to read this thread and like anyone else "skeptical"..
I happen to run allot of Comp's supps and love them.

 

[brownboy]

I have batch #

07/2009
070607

did a three week cycle of 20/30/40....never felt like i was on and no back pumps....and no considerable weight gain...gained a few pounds from all the food i was eating....i've done a few superdrol cycles in the past and got good results....the only thing mdrol did for me was cause my gyno to flare up....thinking of giving epistane a go for my future cycle....

 

[pistonpump]

Just wanted to post and confirm that there WAS NOT a bad batch.

We had the batch in question tested before we released it, and due to the questions that arose here, we had it retested again. Again, same result. 99% purity, 9.9 mg per capsule as evidenced by the attached report.

Also, note that the other batch number on there reflects the most recent batch being currently distributed.

what about your m14add, the white bottles? Are they confirmed to not be the compound? DHEA or something? Can i PM you with the batch number and trade?

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

Are they letting you exchange any opened bottles? They responded saying I could get the sealed bottles replaced. I've only used a few caps of the bottle. So, I guess I'm out 20 bucks for that bottle because I opened it. They shouldn't make me keep a bottle of "unknown/bunk" M-Drol.

Check the post a couple above yours. We had the batch you are referring to retested and again, for a second time it tested out 99% pure, 9.9 mg per cap.

We were letting some people exchange for a newer batch on the M-Drol not because the batch was bad, but just for their piece of mind.

Theres nothing unknown about it. We tested it once, some people said they were having subpar results, so we had it tested again. Not sure what else people expect out of us.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

It isn't unknown, or 'bunk'. He has posted several COAs that correspond to both the 'bad batch' in question, and other batches. I am not sure how much more proof you need. CEL has gone ABOVE AND BEYOND the requisite proof barrier for a product. He has shown time and time again, even a few posts above, that M-Drol has a 99% purity match with the original Superdrol. It is Superdrol.

Thank you for pointig that out. I appreciate it.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

what about your m14add, the white bottles? Are they confirmed to not be the compound? DHEA or something? Can i PM you with the batch number and trade?

Yes, we addressed that a couple places. PM me for info on how to get it exchanged out

 

[In Hulk]

I had good results with P-Plex and can't wait to run the H-Drol I've got in my drawer . Keep up the good work CEL.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I haven't sent mine in yet. I have ended my Epistane pulse and i'm now taking Mdrol until i can determine if it's bunk or not.

There are about 7 users who ran batch 092107 Mdrol for weeks and got ZILCH from it, and 1 user for whom it worked fine, based on this I now think that the majority of the batch is contaminated.

I took 10 mg today and will take 20mg for the next week and report back my findings.

I took Mdrol batch 092107 for 7 days 10/20/20/20/30/30/30
I took this the week coming off of my 8 week Epi pulse (bad idea and not recommended, sue me)

In this week my vascularity decreased, my pumps decreased, my weight went up a few pounds because I came off a recomp and increased cals. Testicular atrophy was minimal at the start and largely unaffected throughout the week. No strength gains or side effects to report. My workouts have been very unspectacular.

This wasn't done long enough to gather conclusive results so I am not trying to paint M-drol one way or another. However from my PH experience I would expect to gain much more weight as glycogen retention kicks in immediately and strength gains/side effects should be starting days 5-7 where I was dosing 30mg. Based on this I sincerely believe my Mdrol to be bunk But i admit that 1 week isn't long enough for me to be sure either way.

Too bad I couldn't run this another week or two to see but i felt like i was getting nothing and owed my body a PCT from the 8 weeks of Epistane, didn't want to delay that.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I took Mdrol batch 092107 for 7 days 10/20/20/20/30/30/30
I took this the week coming off of my 8 week Epi pulse (bad idea and not recommended, sue me)

In this week my vascularity decreased, my pumps decreased, my weight went up a few pounds because I came off a recomp and increased cals. Testicular atrophy was minimal at the start and largely unaffected throughout the week. No strength gains or side effects to report. My workouts have been very unspectacular.

This wasn't done long enough to gather conclusive results so I am not trying to paint M-drol one way or another. However from my PH experience I would expect to gain much more weight as glycogen retention kicks in immediately and strength gains/side effects should be starting days 5-7 where I was dosing 30mg. Based on this I sincerely believe my Mdrol to be bunk But i admit that 1 week isn't long enough for me to be sure either way.

Too bad I couldn't run this another week or two to see but i felt like i was getting nothing and owed my body a post cycle therapy from the 8 weeks of Epistane, didn't want to delay that.

I said this in a previous thread, and think it applies here.

I think this issue of back-to-back cycles involving designers (as I have seen many other failed cycles involving designers) raises an interesting question. Why is it that back-to-back or lengthy cycles involving esters of Testosterone are successful, but those involving designers are not? If ARs do not downregulate, what intrinsic quality of Testosterone allows it to produce consistent gains over long periods of time, or in a back-to-back fashion? I personally feel it could, and I say could because this is all completely speculative and I could be speaking out of my ass, have something to do with Testosterone's interaction with IGF-1.

I have been reading research lately speculating that because of Testosterone's interaction with IGF, increased amounts of androgens in the bloodstream hypothetically increase the amount of ARs per muscle fiber. This theory would allow for consistent gains to be produced over time, as long as androgens were continually circulating in the bloodstream. If we assume that designers do not have this effect on IGF, which I feel we can safely do, they would in fact not increase the amount of ARs. This would explain why they, in most cases, have hard caps on the amount of time under which they can produce gains.

...Well, what if ARs can not be downregulated, but occupied for finite periods of time? What I mean by this is, what if androgens occupy ARs for periods of time, making them unreceptive to new androgens, but not permanently or even temporarily decreasing their ability to accept androgens in the future once androgen levels in the bloodstream had decreased?

Following in this line of thought, we could assume that Gix's ARs were still being occupied because of the binded Testosterone, and the only way to produce new gains would be to increase the amount of ARs/muscle fibre, something the designer is not doing.

As you said, running an oral after 8 consecutive weeks of another oral produces inconsistent and inconclusive results to say the least.

 

[sonny4753]

So trying to figure out what is what here, was there a few bottles in the batch that were not right?

I bought 2 bottles (white bottles, 10 mg per serving), P8353 E0112 - is this anything I should worry about?

 

[EasyEJL]

there hasn't been any direct evidence by a lab that any batch of m-drol/h-drol/p-plex was not what was listed on the label. there are a few less than 100% reliable user reports, and maybe 1 or 2 reliable user reports of bad results. Those were with far earlier batches than what you have anyhow

 

[maynehood171]

I cycled m-drol of this batch and sustained the usual sides and gained 8lbs.

 

[Condition1]

I have both P8353 E0112, and 021008 (2/2010).

What I find odd, and I think this might have been addressed, is that P8353 E0112 is significantly heavier than 021008. The bottle is larger as well. Any input? I'm not going to cry wolf until I run one, which is probably Sept-Nov time frame.

 

[dawaro]

I have both P8353 E0112, and 021008 (2/2010).

What I find odd, and I think this might have been addressed, is that P8353 E0112 is significantly heavier than 021008. The bottle is larger as well. Any input? I'm not going to cry wolf until I run one, which is probably Sept-Nov time frame.

IIRC the consensus was a different capping facility, different bottle supplier, ect. Both batches tested out the same.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

9mg a cap at 99% purity. It's almost insane how there are still questions surrounding this company, when there are literally HUNDREDS of conspicuous knock-off products with no COAs, no QCS, and not a shred of evidence they are selling what they say they are.

A few user reports launched a campaign of unnecessary paranoia and drama; if you are nervous - don't buy it. I can assure you the measures CEL has taken will far, far, far surpass that of any other gray-market supplement provider you will find. And therein, far past any illicit substance provider you will find.

 

[EasyEJL]

I have both P8353 E0112, and 021008 (2/2010).

What I find odd, and I think this might have been addressed, is that P8353 E0112 is significantly heavier than 021008. The bottle is larger as well. Any input? I'm not going to cry wolf until I run one, which is probably Sept-Nov time frame.

CEL has 2 manufacturing facilities, each of which uses different cap sizes, so different bottle sizes as well. Same was true of AX Superdrol actually, I have seen 90 ct bottles that are different sizes, with different size caps.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

So trying to figure out what is what here, was there a few bottles in the batch that were not right?

I bought 2 bottles (white bottles, 10 mg per serving), P8353 E0112 - is this anything I should worry about?

The batch that was questioned by some was tested and then restested and tested out each time.

Everyone responds differently, but the product quality is there.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

I have both P8353 E0112, and 021008 (2/2010).

What I find odd, and I think this might have been addressed, is that P8353 E0112 is significantly heavier than 021008. The bottle is larger as well. Any input? I'm not going to cry wolf until I run one, which is probably Sept-Nov time frame.

As dawarro and easyejl pointed out, we use two different facilities for capsulating our products. One facility cannot run as small size cap as the other, so batches from there are done in larger capsules and larger cap size = larger bottle size. Regardless of which facility they are ran in, the raws are tested for quality before capsulation and then for quality and correct mg per cap after encapsulation.

 

[CompEdgeLabs]

9mg a cap at 99% purity. It's almost insane how there are still questions surrounding this company, when there are literally HUNDREDS of conspicuous knock-off products with no COAs, no QCS, and not a shred of evidence they are selling what they say they are.

A few user reports launched a campaign of unnecessary paranoia and drama; if you are nervous - don't buy it. I can assure you the measures CEL has taken will far, far, far surpass that of any other gray-market supplement provider you will find. And therein, far past any illicit substance provider you will find.

Thank you for posting that.

It amazes me that we are one of the few companies that test our products so extensively, yet are questioned so much when there are so many companies that dont even test at all.

Our standard protocal right now is that when we receive raw materials, we send samples to Proviant for quality testing. Upon them confirming the quality, we then send the products for encapsulation. After encasulation, we then have sealed bottles sent to RTP Labs for qualitative and quantitative testing. There is nothing more than that we can to do appease people.

We intend on launching a full line up of non-hormonal products so we try to hold ourselves to a much higher standard than many other companies that would be considered 'grey' area.

 

[EasyEJL]

It amazes me that we are one of the few companies that test our products so extensively, yet are questioned so much when there are so many companies that dont even test at all.

It is amazing. it goes to show the power of rumor tho. someone one time said something about something, and people still ask about it months later.

 

[Condition1]

It is amazing. it goes to show the power of rumor tho. someone one time said something about something, and people still ask about it months later.

Don't get me wrong I do appreciate CEL's quality of work. The rumor mill thing is true, but like mullet mentioned diet plays a key role with these compounds and not everyone has their diet on point regardless of how they might see it.

I have several bottles of P-plex, H-drol, and M-drol all by CEL. My question was more so out of curiosity as to the difference in bottle sizes and weight.

 

[EasyEJL]

most of the time it is diet. if you aren't eating enough calories to add the pounds, you won't add the pounds. its pretty simple math really. If you aren't gaining some fat, you aren't eating enough to maximize the muscle gained either so only being up 2 lbs at the end of 2 weeks generally means that all the caloric surplus you took in for those 2 weeks

 

[The_Reverend]

.......there is nothing more than that we can to do appease people.

Nor should you. It looks like you guys go above and beyond compared to most other supplement companies and I applaud you for that. I'm currently on day 5 of your M-drol and there's no question thats its doing its thing. I'm up 3 pounds already and have that "on" feeling. This is exactly how I felt when I did AX's Superdrol years ago. Thanks for turning out such great products.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Thank you for posting that.

It amazes me that we are one of the few companies that test our products so extensively, yet are questioned so much when there are so many companies that dont even test at all.

Our standard protocal right now is that when we receive raw materials, we send samples to Proviant for quality testing. Upon them confirming the quality, we then send the products for encapsulation. After encasulation, we then have sealed bottles sent to RTP Labs for qualitative and quantitative testing. There is nothing more than that we can to do appease people.

We intend on launching a full line up of non-hormonal products so we try to hold ourselves to a much higher standard than many other companies that would be considered 'grey' area.

No problem. If you guys adhere to the same stringent standards in your non-hormonal work as you have in this area, I will surely be one of your customers.

It's simply ridiculous the applicative double standard here - take a product like Jungle Warfare, for example. Even at this point, there is massive uncertainty as it pertains to the structure of the active ingredient; however, 16 year old kids are ingesting it with no regard. On the other hand, you guys have verified, time and time again, exactly what is contained in your product, and yet suspicion is still abound.

That is not to insight drama with ALRI, as I enjoy their product, but merely to show the incongruence in standards in this industry. I do not think CEL should, or needs to, do anything further in this regard. Keep it up.

 

[dawaro]

most of the time it is diet. if you aren't eating enough calories to add the pounds, you won't add the pounds. its pretty simple math really. If you aren't gaining some fat, you aren't eating enough to maximize the muscle gained either so only being up 2 lbs at the end of 2 weeks generally means that all the caloric surplus you took in for those 2 weeks

Exactly. THe best advice I have ever seen is to log your calories. You would be amazed at how much you over estimate your intake. I know I was by quite a bit.
A couple of months ago I read an article on caloric surplus that has really stuck with me. The writer stated the best way to insure you are in a surplus besides logging your calories is to eat for the size you want to be. If a 180lb guy wants to be 200lb, eat like you are. Then you know you are getting enough caloric excess to support the gains you seek.