RPM vs. R4W review.
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ReaperX
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I took both RPM and R4W on an empty stomach. I always take pre-workout stims/supplements on an empty stomach approx. 30 minutes before I hit the gym.
In general I noticed when you have food in your stomach and you take a pre-workout supp.:
1. The stim effect dosen't work as well.
2. It takes longer to hit you
3. 1 & 2.
whatastud08
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After intermittently running three bottles of RPM, these were the effects I felt and really loved about RPM. The stim effects do diminish quickly, though that is to be expected with regular use. The same as Reaper feels RPM is only worth $10 a bottle, I don't really understand buying Diesel products except at the sale price. I mean its $50 retail for a 20 day supply of DTHardcore? $100 for 1.5 months of an herbal test booster?(hell 40 days isn't even a month and a half). Now, I am not doubting the efficacy of the products, but the price/duration ratio has never enticed me to try any GD products. I also didn't get the kind of results from Drive everyone is raving about. Frankly it just made feel like I had beach ball chillin out in my GI tract, I can't believe that people are able to run the high doses that they are without massive GI stress...and afford it on top of that. The last 1.5 month I have only used fish oil, a multi, Neovar, and whole foods (no powder), and you know what? My gains have been the same if not better than when I was running all sorts of complex herbals. Don't get me wrong, supps are great and I will continue to use them, I just think people would be much better off putting all that supp money towards whole foods and lots of em. I had a $150 NP cart ready to roll just the other, instead I logged off and went to grocery store. I feel that was an extremely wise decision. Hope I didn't offend...
SureShot
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But you will pay for countless bottles of d. test hardcore that you gained 1lb on in a previous cycle? c'mon man.
Force of Green
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ReaperX gave his honest reviews or opinions on both the products. I see no reason to doubt his findings and experiences, even though some other things may have been interpreted as bashing RPM, I don't think that was his intentions. Thank you for your opinions on the products ReaperX. I may actually one day soon pick up some R4W for when I have a really hard training session ahead of me.
I must ask you, not just ReaperX, but anyone who has used R4W... Does it raise your heart rate to a level that would be undesirable for HIT or HIIT training? I can't stand those stimulants that make you want to lay down and vomit when you get your heart rate up there a little bit. Ya know? So what's the deal with R4W?
Thanks!
I must ask you, not just ReaperX, but anyone who has used R4W... Does it raise your heart rate to a level that would be undesirable for HIT or HIIT training? I can't stand those stimulants that make you want to lay down and vomit when you get your heart rate up there a little bit. Ya know? So what's the deal with R4W?
Thanks!
EasyEJL
Never enough
Yeah, just wondering as to timing as the rpm directions do say 1 hr before gym on an empty stomach. So How long before going to the gym is your last meal? I pretty much have to eat sometime between stims + hitting the gym, otherwise the caffeine bothers my stomach during workout (regardless of which preworkout product it is)
ReaperX
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R4W creates a thermogenic feeling...it is very noticible and a lot of testers seem to be also expierencing this effect. I don't take enough R4W to the point where it would create nausea with me weight training or cardio (HIIT).
If I were to take 3 R4W capsules I would get sick, no doubt about that. If you check my intitial review of R4W capsules I actually did try 3 capsules right off the bat without working into it. I didn't read the directions, so this was my own fault.
RPM @ 5 capsules created a clean feeling. I can only draw conclusions based off the one sample I recevied.
I am sensative to herbal stims like yohimbe, ephedra, etc.....those herbal stim days all long gone for me with the exception of caffeine.
As I also stated earlier I tend to workout in the evening so I only need something to get me through the night.
Stims in general have a bell curve effect. At the very peak top you completely maximize the benefit it has to offer. If you fall to the left then you still get some benefit but not as much. If you fall to the right then you've overkilled the benefits from it and you just feel like shlt (i.e. jitters, shaking, etc......)
R4W has yohimbe in it which automatically give me a stronger jolt. I think I stated this before RPM is cleaner, but R4W def. gives me more energy in general. Even if I was tired as hell in the morning, instead of drinking coffee, energy drinks, etc I can just take a R4W capsule (I have done this a few times).
It just depends on how you react to stims, and what you expect out of them.
ReaperX
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This is what a typical day for me would look like:
4:30pm-Work ends
5:00pm-Eat a small meal
(do whatever)
7:00pm-Eat another small meal
8:30pm-Take stims
9:00pm-At the gym
10:15-10:30pm-Get out of the gym
10:30pm-Take ZMA
11:00pm-Drink soymilk/Chicken, then get ready and go to bed.
kabuki
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i've never gotten jittery or high heart rate from R4W. That is one of the reasons. I've tried numerous preworkout stims in the past and so many of them did not work well or even decreased my performance because i could not focus. As a powerlifter i have to have the mental clarity and focus on what i'm doing before i step under heavy poundages. R4W gives that to me and i've been taking it for years now.
I've only taken the caps on one occasion myself as i stll have several jugs of the V6.0 left. The caps worked quite well, but like Reaper i prefer the V6.0 powder.
The clarity and mental focus are key for me.
Never tried RPM.
I've only taken the caps on one occasion myself as i stll have several jugs of the V6.0 left. The caps worked quite well, but like Reaper i prefer the V6.0 powder.
The clarity and mental focus are key for me.
Never tried RPM.
Frank Reynolds
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I took 2 R4W caps today and i gotta agree that 2caps = 4-5 RPM for me.. I got a great thermo effect, and nice clean energy fro R4W.
I think RPM gives me a bit more of a "euphoric" feeling then R4W. I can't really describe it.. I am going to play with the timing of my R4w and see what happens.
I gotta also agree with all the people who said the "price" has turned them off from trying GD Products. It was also a reason i would put off trying them.. But with these sales i decided to give a few of the produtcs a try.
I think RPM gives me a bit more of a "euphoric" feeling then R4W. I can't really describe it.. I am going to play with the timing of my R4w and see what happens.
I gotta also agree with all the people who said the "price" has turned them off from trying GD Products. It was also a reason i would put off trying them.. But with these sales i decided to give a few of the produtcs a try.
ReaperX
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now that you mentioned it, I also got that euphoric feeling off of 5 RPMs. It was very subtle, but I noticed it after about 40 mins of taking them.
EasyEJL
Never enough
I bought some NOS ether
its a nice ingredient profile, but I dunno if I would buy it at regular price either given it being around $2 a day then
Australian made
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damn man you can sleep ok after taking stims at 8:30pm? id be wide awake till 2am if i did that. Any time after 6pm is a no go or its stair at the ceiling for me!
whitedevil74
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This is a real problem with this forum and that is, if a person gives their honest feedback on a product that is pushed heavily (ie large rep presence) and the review is not 100% positive OMFG this is the greatest product ever, people accuse the poster of product bashing. WTF is wrong with giving an honest opinion. If a person compares two products and thinks 1 product is superior that is not bashing a product.
My god, I love Nimbus Nutrition, that is why I rep for them, not much on this board, but if a person took Purple Wrath for a month and then Swell for a month and wrote a review of why they thought Purple Wrath was a better product that is fine with me, I am glad a person gives honest feedback even when it goes against what I think or what I want to hear. There is way too much of the old "herd" mentality going on here.
ReaperX
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This is highly problematic for several reasons:
-People who actually want to know how a product works can't really know b/c everything is bias.
-Companies never get any 'real' feedback, just ass. kissing feedback.
I realize a lot of people don't like me, and I don't really care to be honest, but at the same time everyone knows that when I review products, the reviews are actually 'worthwhile' reading.
bLacKjAck.
Lift Heavy
VERY VERY VERY good post. Was gonna say something similar later on today.
SOME people aren't totally in love with RPM. And that is OK. Just like every other supplement.
poison
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Nevermind, I won't bother.
Bottom line, I'm not dissing R4W, it's probably great now. But I see a comparison between RPM and R4W as apples and oranges, two totally different products; one is a stim, one has stimulant properties along with a host of others.
whitedevil74
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What is funny is I ran a log on SuperdrolNg and was ready to bash the hell out of it (I still have problems with the name but that is another issue) but I actually loved it as a preworkout stim. IMO superdrol NG is the best preworkout stim product on the market, 2 caps preworkout and I was jacked. I have tried r4w powder, rpn, amp, and every other preworkout formula around and honestly superdrolng was the best. The funny thing is people negged me and wrote me nasty pm's about me giving a positive review to AX over this. Whether positive or negative reviews, we should all encourage honest reviews, examine and critique a companies claims, and always be on guard from the dreaded placebo effect log. At the end of the day we are just trying to find products that work well, that are priced reasonably, and that can do what the companies claim they can do, and every person that provides feedback, positive or negative helps us all out.
whitedevil74
Active member
Actually they are both stimulant/test boosters so they are much more alike than other preworkout formulas. I still prefer Superdrol NG now if only AX would lower than damn price:frustrate
poison
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I agree. But some of Reapers statements were a bit over the top (or low down), ie I wouldn't pay more than $10, it's equal to Rockstar, etc.
That's total and utter bull****, and RPM is one of the more popular products around because it plain works for a ton of people. Unlike Rockstar.
Again, glad he found R4W, and likes it. Use it in good health!
poison
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No ****? Now I wanna try it!
I never really cared to check it out much. Now I will.
whitedevil74
Active member
No ****? Now I wanna try it!
As a preworkout product Superdrol Ng is hard to beat, it gave me the best energy I have ever had in the gym and usually I can not tolerate yohimbe in a product at all. I think AX really fcked up the marketing of this product because it is a solid formula, but is nothing like Superdrol and will produce no where near the gains. But had they used this a replacement to Stimulant X I think everyone on every forum would be talking about this product.
rms80
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I always take stuff like this as constructive criticism- it helps me make better products- don't apologize for being honest
Not everyone is in love with RPM- and that is ok- if I was a mind-reader and could please everyone- I probably wouldn't be manufacturing supplements.....
I have the ability on my end to test anything and everything before it comes out- and when 90-95% of people love a supplement- I feel like I have done my job correctly- as for the other 5-10%, their feedback is welcome as well- who knows, maybe I can get it to 99-100% satisfaction one of these days
EasyEJL
Never enough
Actually I think AM has started to loose a little of the herd mentality, which I am happy about. I think it was worse a couple months back honestly.
Body chemistries are sooooo different that of course different supps will affect different people differently. Some people tolerate high caffeine, but can't handle yohimbe, while others are vice versa. So I expect different people to like different products.
Body chemistries are sooooo different that of course different supps will affect different people differently. Some people tolerate high caffeine, but can't handle yohimbe, while others are vice versa. So I expect different people to like different products.
kabuki
Well-known member
agreed on both counts.
on the second point that is for sure. I don't think a product can be made that would be the best for everyone.
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
We as well as many other companies have always been open to honest feedback. The more detailed the better.
I will say that NO ONE likes posts that just say "I really didn't like___________ it did nothing for me".... because in the end it is a worthless post by all accounts. I am not accusing you of this however, as your reviews always seem to actually discuss the products and not just judge them. Thumbs up for this fact.
The catching of **** is not due to your stance on products.... it's due to your approach and wording in many cases.
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
No, I'm picturing Reaper as being one who sports a fly-i-i-i-i-i-i hair cut.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Hey now 120 DTH tabs is $40 and last 25 days at 5/day.....and its one of the best out if not the best herbal test booster out and cheaper than alot of herbal test boosters......
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
:think:
:nono:
:nono:
Gutterpump
Banned
How did it crush your libido? Was it just after going this high on it? Trying to think what could be in it that would do this...
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
rec dosage is 4-6/day.
Gutterpump
Banned
Yeah I've always kept it at 6 but then went to 4 once I started a high dose of AI's PCS as well alongside DTH. I wasn't sure how much estrogen suppression that would be in total (which can kill the libido). I didnt' seem to have problems though.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I would go more into that but its not important, Im happy with the feedback of R4W caps when compared to one of the most popular pre-workout products on the market. Esp. when 99% of the people using RPM is stacking it with Drive which amplifies the acetylcholine raising effects of RPM being they both contain Icariin as the main ingredient.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
5 (2/2/1) seems to work best for most people
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
99% eh?
Either way, you have every right to be happy w/ the feedback on R4W... no one said otherwise.
poison
Board Sponsor
Why did you have to make me snort coffee all over my computer? :toofunny:
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
dck ridding......you havent even used R4W caps.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Cut and paste all you want, if its not being compared to R4W it doesnt matter. Mustang Cobra's are fast if you have never drove a porsche. I know 4 reviews does not a hit make (yoda talk?). I didnt bash RPM. Bashing is negative comments about a product that are not substantiated (ie "I spit coffee all over my computer......and you have never used R4W").
I will have a great workout....I took 3 R4W caps 30 min ago.
poison
Board Sponsor
Quoted for posterity. So it's not being compared to RPM? That sounds unsubstantiated to me.
I guess it does matter, in your mind.
jas123
Well-known member
I've noticed this too. I like to eat about 45 min. before a workout so it makes it hard timing some things. I was taking my RPM on a partially full stomach sometimes and it seemed to diminish the effects a fair amount.
There used to be a time around here when people were actually banned or severely flamed for giving honest yet negative opinions about sponsor's supplements. This was a time when I didn't frequent this board much because it was ridiculous. I hope honest conversations can/will continue about products on this board.
justreading
Banned
This thread is yet again an example of why reaper is a troll on this board with his own agenda...
RPM has literally changed the way me and all my friends who have taken it, look at working out as a whole. Since adding RPM my lifts are naturally higher than they were on PH's and every workout is more fun than I have ever experienced. Heck everyone I gave it to IMMEDIATELY went out and bought 3-4 bottles, no joke!
I know Chuck has been a great guy and given you a ton of products for free but your reviews are subject due to the agenda with considerable sponsorship causes you to have.
RPM has literally changed the way me and all my friends who have taken it, look at working out as a whole. Since adding RPM my lifts are naturally higher than they were on PH's and every workout is more fun than I have ever experienced. Heck everyone I gave it to IMMEDIATELY went out and bought 3-4 bottles, no joke!
I know Chuck has been a great guy and given you a ton of products for free but your reviews are subject due to the agenda with considerable sponsorship causes you to have.
bludevil
Well-known member
Well, just my opinion but I appreciate the honest review. From reapers previous posts, I don't think he has any agenda's.
RPM is riding high on it's fame right now and rightfully so,( I have 2 bottles of it and love it) but just because someone else thinks R4W is better doesn't make him the devil.
RPM is riding high on it's fame right now and rightfully so,( I have 2 bottles of it and love it) but just because someone else thinks R4W is better doesn't make him the devil.
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