Synthagen had RCE....Originally Posted by Whacked
okay, what does "RCE" stand for? thanks.
Generally speaking, you're correct when stating that when it comes to extracts, the higher the better. However, this isn't true in every case given it depends what you're standardizing/extracting for. Let's look at an example...
Early on (and even today), some companies believe the "active" in certain source genus of plants containing Ecdy is 20-Hydroxyecdysterone (20-H). Bear in mind, this is but ONE of 463 ecdysterones identified to date. If you standardize Rhaponticum Carthamoides Extract for mostly 20-H, you lose the rest of the ecdysterones (and there are MANY in this genus), tannins and resins that have desirable qualities. For example, one of these tannins mitigates your body's ability to convert carbs to fat.
It's my OPINION that when extracting any given Ecdysterone source genus, that "natures fingerprint" be retained. Meaning you don't over-extract for any one particular ecdy you think is the "active". This is especially true in the case of 20-H. If you're going to go this route, a much better bet would be to extract/standardize the source genus Ajuga turkestanica for Turkesterone.
When formulating my product (Mass Pro Synthagen), I opted to retain nature's fingerprint. This, to take advantage of ALL of the benefits the various Ecdysterones the plant imparts. In fact, RCE has a very specific grouping of Ecdysteroids referred to as the "Levseins Complex", a grouping of 10-12 Ecdy's (depending upon who's literature you read) in unique ratios to each other. If you study my write up on it, you'll see how every other ingredient works hand in glove with RCE, to leverage every known attribute of RCE.
To be fair, I encourage you to experiment with other quality Ecdy's such as Thermolife's E-bol, bulk Ecdy powder extracts etc.. Pick one with a strong track record, and put it head to head against Synthagen. Establish objective diagnostic measures such as how much total tonnage you can move workout to workout, how fast you can recover/train productively again, take BMI measurements etc..
I'll leave it at that. From that point forward, make the call and use the Ecdy product that works best for YOU!
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I have tried EBol and it did not work well with my body chem. It gave me anxiety. I figure I am just sensitive to something in it. I just am using their Ecdysten. Mixelflick, even though it is not Ebol, is it still a quality ecdy product? thanks.
I'm not sure what in E-bol may have been causing anxiety (my guess would be the Korean Red Ginseng Extract). However, Ecdysten is a quality RCE product and will likely serve you well, provided it's dosed appropriately.
Would be curious to know how you make out with it!
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What about using straight up 4:1 Maral powder Extract? I read the entire thread in the last 4 hours and my mind is blown.
I cap it and brew it. I just started last night however an instant effect I had was I slept so good! Im keeping a hand written log Ill be on it for 3 straight months.
Day 3 So far just sleep benefits.. Which I will take any take any day and will continue to buy cuz I haven't slept in in years.
So for 99% Rhaponticum Carthamoides the optimal dose is around 100mg, taken breakfast, pre and post workout and bed time with a high protein meal? What would be considered high? 30 grams or higher?
Cyanotis Vaga 95% worth taking at 2g a day?