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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post

    can i quit nolva at week 4 and start reversitol alongside xtreme?
    Haven't used it personally, I just looked at the profile, I don't see why it wouldn't be a valuable addition to a pct.

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    Hope this helps, I ran reversitol v1 during 4 pcts so far and actually felt more "on" than on certain days of the cycle. Kept most of my gains everytime I ran it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Run the nolva 20/20/20/20 and the AI 0/0/2/4/4/4
    Always run the AI past your serm as serms increase circulating estogens so when you come off them you have an abundance and it needs to be controlled for a couple weeks.
    I'm assuming you've done this before without side effects? I definitely understand needing to run your AI past your serm a few weeks, but do you really not need to taper the AI like that? You can just go cold turkey after your last week of 4, and that won't cause any sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Run the nolva 20/20/20/20 and the AI 0/0/2/4/4/4
    Always run the AI past your serm as serms increase circulating estogens so when you come off them you have an abundance and it needs to be controlled for a couple weeks.
    I just finished my pct for 6 week epistane cycle it was nolva 20/20/10/10 and daa 3/3/3/3/3 and erase 0/0/0/3/2/1/1 I'm still running erase at 1 cap a day. Of course I took creatine mono for pct too and still am and whey protein. Fish oil and multi as well. I only lost 2 lbs. after pct and still have all my strength.
    I am still kind of shut down though but I am starting to get back to normal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    I'm assuming you've done this before without side effects? I definitely understand needing to run your AI past your serm a few weeks, but do you really not need to taper the AI like that? You can just go cold turkey after your last week of 4, and that won't cause any sides?
    From what I read the only AI you have to taper are "suicidal ai" and erase is not suicidal not sure about the other otc ai. I tapered just to be safe can't hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by absurd View Post

    From what I read the only AI you have to taper are "suicidal ai" and erase is not suicidal not sure about the other otc ai. I tapered just to be safe can't hurt.
    Erase is a suicidal AI. Although it does not beed to be tapered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    I'm assuming you've done this before without side effects? I definitely understand needing to run your AI past your serm a few weeks, but do you really not need to taper the AI like that? You can just go cold turkey after your last week of 4, and that won't cause any sides?
    As long at its a suicidal AI your using you shouldn't need to taper, as there isn't a chance of estrogen rebound. If you are running a non suididal AI it should be tapered.

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    I just finished my pct for 6 week epistane cycle it was nolva 20/20/10/10 and daa 3/3/3/3/3 and erase 0/0/0/3/2/1/1 I'm still running erase at 1 cap a day. Of course I took creatine mono for pct too and still am and whey protein. Fish oil and multi as well. I only lost 2 lbs. after pct and still have all my strength.
    I am still kind of shut down though but I am starting to get back to normal.
    Just because your out of pct doesn't mean your bodies back in homeostasis, there can still be an imbalance for months. It just means your test levels are back up.

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    From what I read the only AI you have to taper are "suicidal ai" and erase is not suicidal not sure about the other otc ai. I tapered just to be safe can't hurt.
    You've got it mixed up here bro, dont need to taper suicidals, only non suicidal. Suicidal AIs actually kill Aromatase where as non suicidal only deactivate it.
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    Thanks for clarifying I kept reading mixed things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    As long at its a suicidal AI your using you shouldn't need to taper, as there isn't a chance of estrogen rebound. If you are running a non suididal AI it should be tapered.


    Just because your out of pct doesn't mean your bodies back in homeostasis, there can still be an imbalance for months. It just means your test levels are back up.


    You've got it mixed up here bro, dont need to taper suicidals, only non suicidal. Suicidal AIs actually kill Aromatase where as non suicidal only deactivate it.
    Good to know. I think I'll moderately taper it just to be sure, cuz I get really uneasy about this kind of stuff lol. This is what I'm thinking for my PCT, starting this Friday.

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    Nolva: 20/20/20/20
    DAA: 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Lean Xtreme: 3/3/3/3
    Erase: 0/0/3/3/2/2/1

    Cycle assist and liver care throughout. Any thoughts, critiques, input from you guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    Good to know. I think I'll moderately taper it just to be sure, cuz I get really uneasy about this kind of stuff lol. This is what I'm thinking for my PCT, starting this Friday.

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    Nolva: 20/20/20/20
    DAA: 3/3/3/3/3/3
    Lean Xtreme: 3/3/3/3
    Erase: 0/0/3/3/2/2/1

    Cycle assist and liver care throughout. Any thoughts, critiques, input from you guys?
    It's not uncommon to taper erase tho, the higher dose give more of the active ingredient and as such kills off more aromatase, I use erase pro which is equivalent to 3 caps regular erase and haven't had any issues. Each to their own tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    It's not uncommon to taper erase tho, the higher dose give more of the active ingredient and as such kills off more aromatase, I use erase pro which is equivalent to 3 caps regular erase and haven't had any issues. Each to their own tho.
    Would you recommend going 0/0/4/4/3/2/1 with it then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    Would you recommend going 0/0/4/4/3/2/1 with it then?
    Nah 3 gives you 75mg of the active ingredient which is plenty. You wouldn't need to go higher than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Nah 3 gives you 75mg of the active ingredient which is plenty. You wouldn't need to go higher than that.
    Ok great, that's exactly what I was wanting to know. Thanks for the info. Rep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    Ok great, that's exactly what I was wanting to know. Thanks for the info. Rep!
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    Week 7/Workout 1- Squats and Oly

    Starting a 12 week high-volume Oly cycle. Going to be a ton of squatting, and hoping to get my snatch and Clean&Jerk numbers up. Continuing my cycle for 5-7 more days before I start PCT.

    Back Squat: 3x10 - 240#
    Hang Snatch (top of knee): 5x3 - 115#
    Overhead Squat: 5x3 - 140#
    Halting Snatch Deadlift: 3x3 - 165#


    Felt great today. Been really excited about starting this Oly cycle. I haven't had any joint pain at all since I got my SuperCissus in, but today I felt some dry joints pain in my knees for the first time again. Wasn't bad. Back Pumps are starting to get more noticeable even with taking 5g of Taurine. Maxing out on Bench tomorrow, so that will be fun.
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    I'm so confused... Everyone talking bout erase... That's fine its Aaron's thread... But I just wanna know I'm running nolva 20/20/20/20 with xtreme at the exact same time 4/4/4/4 .... Am I doing it wrong or is this fine? And if so why?? I'm on 3rd day of pct and feel great with a semi libido
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post
    I'm so confused... Everyone talking bout erase... That's fine its Aaron's thread... But I just wanna know I'm running nolva 20/20/20/20 with xtreme at the exact same time 4/4/4/4 .... Am I doing it wrong or is this fine? And if so why?? I'm on 3rd day of pct and feel great with a semi libido
    As far as I know, and what I've read, that's fine. I'm going to be taking my Lean Xtreme with my nolva as well
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    Maxed out on Bench yesterday and was able to get 320# for 1. Fairly happy with that. I've put 45 lbs on my bench in the last 11 weeks, 30 of those in the last 6.

    I'm going to go ahead and start my PCT today. A few questions: Does it matter how I time my doses? For example, should I take Clomid in the morning, Nolva at night? Also, is it ok to take my SERM's with Orange juice? I am wondering if the acidity in the OJ would ruin the SERM or anything like that? I've read a few guys say that they take it with OJ though so I'm assuming its fine.

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    PCT/Cycle Recap


    Well I started my PCT today, so I figured I should do a recap of the cycle now, and I'll do one again after my PCT. From now on I won't post my workout logs, but only any notable changes that happen along the way. Here's some pic and stat re-caps

    Pre-Cycle Stats:

    Weight: 193
    Bench: 290
    Back Squat: 330
    Deadlift: 425
    Overhead Press: 160

    Post-Cycle Stats:

    Weight: 205 - 12lb gain
    Bench: 320 - 30lb gain
    Back Squat: 375 - 45lb gain
    Deadlift: 465 - 40lb gain
    Overhead Press: 190 - 30 lb gain

    Needless to say, these gains were amazing to me. Put on 12 lbs of muscle, definitely lost some body fat, and added 30-45 lbs to all my lifts. Most impressive of all to me is the way my overhead press went up. That was my biggest weakness, and while it is by far the weakest of the 4 powerlifts, I still gained 30lbs on it, which is the same I gained on Bench press and almost what I gained on Deadlift for crying out loud. As a side note, I also put about 30lbs to my close grip bench as well.

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    I've noticed the biggest change in my abs, traps and arms. My arms don't look much bigger in the pic for some reason, but they are alot bigger, probably an inch (i will measure at work tomorrow), because all my t-shirt sleeves are crazy tight on me now and everyone I know has been commenting on how they look bigger. My abs also look much more defined from pic 1 to pic 2, especially on the bottom, which is great. To say I am stoked on these results is an understatement. This cycle was an amazing experience that I think every guy who loves fitness/bodybuilding should give it a shot. It would have taken me at least a year to get these results, and I got them in 6 freaking weeks. This stuff works like magic. Didn't get almost any acne, and the only real side effects I felt were some dry joints and lethargy/sleepiness during the day. Now my next challenge will be to keep as much of these gains as possible through my PCT.
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    Fantastic results, man.
    Great all around gains. Hope PCT is smooth so you can maintain it all and bounce back quick.

    I've been on the fence about my Epi cycle (was having some 2nd thoughts) but you're making a good case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Fantastic results, man. Great all around gains. Hope PCT is smooth so you can maintain it all and bounce back quick. I've been on the fence about my Epi cycle (was having some 2nd thoughts) but you're making a good case.
    Glad to hear it man, I would highly recommend you give it a go. It went surprisingly smooth and I love that you don't have to worry about gyno on cycle. I realize I'm not out of the woods yet because I just started my PCT, but I'll be posting updates every few days so check back when it's all said and done to get the final verdict.
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    Forgot to ask, did you notice any hair loss on cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Forgot to ask, did you notice any hair loss on cycle?
    None whatsoever
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    Some pretty notable results there bro. Good work!
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    Yea I'm 5th day of pct... It's going great cept just has slight testicle pain... I guess that means they coming back... You might get same prob so don't stress.. I dunno if Clomid or hcg takes care of that... I think also I was gonna start 're running activate extreme at 3 pills so I can extend it past the serm finish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post
    Yea I'm 5th day of pct... It's going great cept just has slight testicle pain... I guess that means they coming back... You might get same prob so don't stress.. I dunno if Clomid or hcg takes care of that... I think also I was gonna start 're running activate extreme at 3 pills so I can extend it past the serm finish
    That's good to know. I'm down for whatever as long as I get my balls back lol. Is activate extreme a cort controller? I'm on lean extreme. Are we only supposed to take those for 4 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    That's good to know. I'm down for whatever as long as I get my balls back lol. Is activate extreme a cort controller? I'm on lean extreme. Are we only supposed to take those for 4 weeks?
    Nuh activate xtreme isn't a cortisol blocker only erase is... But I've researched 1+ grams of vitamin c reduces cortisol by 30%... So I'm on that.... You're on the perfect pct but Clomid/nolvadex are for serious drugs... Epistane is really mild... Stick with your lean xtreme and erase... I don't know the ai between both I think erase and xtreme both have suicidal ai properties... Can someone correct me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post

    Nuh activate xtreme isn't a cortisol blocker only erase is... But I've researched 1+ grams of vitamin c reduces cortisol by 30%... So I'm on that.... You're on the perfect pct but Clomid/nolvadex are for serious drugs... Epistane is really mild... Stick with your lean xtreme and erase... I don't know the ai between both I think erase and xtreme both have suicidal ai properties... Can someone correct me?
    Clomid and nolvadex are for anything that suppresses your hpta which ill add epistane does. If your going to use anything suppressive a serm is a must to get things happening as fast as possible. You will recover without one BUT it will take a lot longer and you'll probably lose what you gained. /rant
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Clomid and nolvadex are for anything that suppresses your hpta which ill add. epistane does. If your going to use anything suppressive a serm is a must to get things happening as fast as possible. You will recover without one BUT it will take a lot longer and you'll probably lose what you gained. /rant
    Yea that's true, but do they actively brings your nuts back or do we have to wait naturally for them...? What does hcg do compared to nolvadex/Clomid?
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    Man, this PCT is not going well so far. I haven't lost much really, still weighing 203 in the mornings, but it has been impossible to go to sleep the last three nights. I also feel extremely sick this morning like throwing up, and don't feel like working out or eating, which is not good.

    Any suggestions from you experienced guys about how to deal with the sleep issues and feeling sick?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Man, this PCT is not going well so far. I haven't lost much really, still weighing 203 in the mornings, but it has been impossible to go to sleep the last three nights. I also feel extremely sick this morning like throwing up, and don't feel like working out or eating, which is not good. Any suggestions from you experienced guys about how to deal with the sleep issues and feeling sick?
    Been lurking since you started. Nice log. As far as bad sleep goes for me I've used ZMA and inhibit-p before bed and i seem to pass out. My cousin uses the same combo and loves it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post

    Yea that's true, but do they actively brings your nuts back or do we have to wait naturally for them...? What does hcg do compared to nolvadex/Clomid?
    They always come ba k naturally, serms just speed up the process. It still takes a lot longer for your body to reach homeostasis. Hcg mimics leutinizing hormone, it shouldn't be used in pct as its suppressive to your natural LH secretion, it can be however used on cycle at small doses e3d to keep your nuts producing endogenous testosterone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlumpkinKing View Post
    Been lurking since you started. Nice log. As far as bad sleep goes for me I've used ZMA and inhibit-p before bed and i seem to pass out. My cousin uses the same combo and loves it to.
    Nice man, thanks for the reference. I'll be buying some of that immediately. Would most major supplement sites carry those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    Nice man, thanks for the reference. I'll be buying some of that immediately. Would most major supplement sites carry those?
    Yeah nutraplanet should sell those, another thing is melatonin which you can get from a health food shop.
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    Yeah nutraplanet should sell those, another thing is melatonin which you can get from a health food shop.
    I've been taking that with NyQuil and it doesn't seem to do much. What I'm really worried about right now is the stomach sickness I've been feeling :-/
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    Does anyone know if it could be the DAA causing the stomach upsetness? I think I read somewhere that it does. I am thinking about forgoing it for the rest of my PCT, but mostly because I just read the article on the home page about it having no effect whatsoever. Not sure if that doesn't apply to guys who are coming off a cycle and have very low levels to start with. But I think I'm going to give it up just because of the stomach issues I've been having. Does anyone have any input on this? I'm not sure if its the Clomid, Nolva, or DAA that's giving me problems, but I can't afford to give up the first two
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Does anyone know if it could be the DAA causing the stomach upsetness? I think I read somewhere that it does. I am thinking about forgoing it for the rest of my PCT, but mostly because I just read the article on the home page about it having no effect whatsoever. Not sure if that doesn't apply to guys who are coming off a cycle and have very low levels to start with. But I think I'm going to give it up just because of the stomach issues I've been having. Does anyone have any input on this? I'm not sure if its the Clomid, Nolva, or DAA that's giving me problems, but I can't afford to give up the first two
    It's definitely not nolvadex... It could be your daa I've used one before and had same prob but really mildly... Try to push through if it starts ruining your training days then stop it just rum Clomid/nolvadex together then wait til you can use erase... You gotta realise you are popping pills like crazy to get your hpta so your body might not be used to it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    They always come ba k naturally, serms just speed up the process. It still takes a lot longer for your body to reach homeostasis. Hcg mimics leutinizing hormone, it shouldn't be used in pct as its suppressive to your natural LH secretion, it can be however used on cycle at small doses e3d to keep your nuts producing endogenous testosterone.
    Cheers Luke... I get it now, so pretty much keep running nolvadex and xtreme for the rest of pct... Too many hormones to deal with lol
  

  
 

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