dmilhouse
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What are the metabolites of TRN and TST?
It is.Sh1t I just want confirmation it is not a scheduled drug. Is that so hard to ask?
MH
17b-methoxymethyloxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-oneM-trn is a progestin so therefore it is excluded from the ban substances list as of right now,as for tst most people are up in the air as to what is in it.
LOL, my ears were burning. What's the question I'm supposed to be able to answer?where is yeahright at? he's got the know how on this stuff... also, could someone, say, sue one of these companies for selling "steroids". just wondering?
We don't know. I would imagine that TRN isn't but it's got to be awfully close because ALRI pulled it from the market almost as soon as it was released. As to TST, there's a reason ALRI abandoned it before full-scale production. :blink:All I want to know is if M-TRN (TST) are all ready on the bill from 2004?
Well, since we don't actually know exactly what M-TRN and M-TST are, I'd be hesitant to actually make this statement.It IS NOT explicitly mentioned as banned.
There is no trenbolone molecule on the list save for methyl-tren and tren itself.
There you go Milhouse.
As a lawyer, I would love for any prosecutor to use this argument.... I'm not necessarily sure there are any possible "cosmetic chemical changes" as the placement of one additional carbon or hydrogen, or adding a double bond rather than a single, or adding a methyl groupd, methoxy, acetyl, or whatever group, will cause not a cosmetic change, but a functional change in the product's chemical makeup.If the compounds are close enough, a reasonable law enforcement argument could be made that they are functional equivalents of banned substances (the chemical differences merely being cosmetic changes).
You might welcome this argument. I would not. :duel: I think that it's a winner if the compounds are close enough (illegal Substance A is altered to create Substance B which has a superficially different chemical structure while maintaining the same biochemical function in the body). Substance B is merely Substance A with an inert chemical change.....said inert chemical change being made for the explicit purpose of trying to make an illegal substance legal. The analogy I'd make to the trier of fact is that Substance B is merely Substance A in disguise....and try and put the burden on the defendant to explain the reason for the chemical changes to Substance A. If the defendant says anything about making it more effective in being anabolic, you've got them for distribution of an unapproved drug since by definition it is no longer a supplement. If they cannot explain why the change was made, it supports the inference that the change was made to disguise the true nature of Substance B.As a lawyer, I would love for any prosecutor to use this argument.... I'm not necessarily sure there are any possible "cosmetic chemical changes" as the placement of one additional carbon or hydrogen, or adding a double bond rather than a single, or adding a methyl groupd, methoxy, acetyl, or whatever group, will cause not a cosmetic change, but a functional change in the product's chemical makeup.
Wrong. The preamble asserts an exclusion of progestins but then lists the following progestins:M-TRN is a progestin. Progestins are not covered in the bill from '04.
I'd stock up if this product works for you:YR - I thought the Wash. Post had merely tested Amp??
Are they now going after him for selling Amp?
I need to know - so that I can stock up on Amp like there is no tomorrow!
(And probably Venom and StimX too.)
So yes, it does look like PA is going to be hit with a charge for AMP. What's going on now is more of an issue of improper labeling, and to bypass drug-tests, at that. So, I don't know if stocking up is necessary, yet.YR - I thought the Wash. Post had merely tested Amp??
Are they now going after him for selling Amp?
I need to know - so that I can stock up on Amp like there is no tomorrow!
(And probably Venom and StimX too.)
That's just made up.So yes, it does look like PA is going to be hit with a charge for AMP.
MY EDUCATED GUESS ABOUT THIS COMPOUND IS THAT IT'S METHOXY-TRENBOLONE WITH A METHYL GROUP(CH3) AT THE 19 POSITION. NANDROLONE AND TREN ARE 19-NOR COMPOUNDS MEANING THEY LACK THE CH3 METHYL GROUP IN THAT POSITION. I FIGURE IT IS MEGA TRN WITH THIS METHYL ADDED TO IT. THAT IS WHY THEY'RE CALLING IT TRIENOSTERONE BECAUSE IT IS SIMILAR TO TEST IN THIS REGARD BUT STILL HAVING THE 3 DOUBLE BONDS(TRIENE) LIKE TREN.Sh1t I just want confirmation it is not a scheduled drug. Is that so hard to ask?
MH
Yes, this is the correct structure for TRN. As for TST, it is probably methoxytestosterone. We have not been told this for sure, however. The bottle gives a chemically meaningless (well, at least very ambiguous) 'trienosterone' designation.MY EDUCATED GUESS ABOUT THIS COMPOUND IS THAT IT'S METHOXY-TRENBOLONE WITH A METHYL GROUP(CH3) AT THE 19 POSITION. NANDROLONE AND TREN ARE 19-NOR COMPOUNDS MEANING THEY LACK THE CH3 METHYL GROUP IN THAT POSITION. I FIGURE IT IS MEGA TRN WITH THIS METHYL ADDED TO IT. THAT IS WHY THEY'RE CALLING IT TRIENOSTERONE BECAUSE IT IS SIMILAR TO TEST IN THIS REGARD BUT STILL HAVING THE 3 DOUBLE BONDS(TRIENE) LIKE TREN.
bigSMokey:Yes, this is the correct structure for TRN. As for TST, it is probably methoxytestosterone. We have not been told this for sure, however. The bottle gives a chemically meaningless (well, at least very ambiguous) 'trienosterone' designation.
As for legal reasons preventing the release of TST's formula, I cannot see why. This is because TRN is widely known, and admitted to be, methoxytrenbolone. So why should the methoxy derivative of testosterone be any scarrier (leagally, this is)? Testosterone and trenbolone are both equally illegal, am I right?
And I can 110% guarantee that the gov't. knows whats in TST (hell, Catlin probably has the f***** structure on the wall of his lab in poster form:rofl: ) so again where are the legal fears coming from?
People at least have the right to know that this stuff is NOT a triene (tren isomer), as the bottle's nomenclature implies. Such a coumpound would be much riskier, as to unknown long-term effects, than methoxytestosterone.
:hammer: And who needs another progestin when the whole point of you working out is this:chick:
Let the guessing begin! Wait,.. Wait.! All at once: On your mark,.... Get set,........... :woohoo:bigSMokey:
There is a valid point that should be answered here, no, TST had no progestin structural relationships. It also has no testosterone metabolites and is totally detectable.
TRN was not methoxy trenbolone. Real TRN made most horny, methoxy trenbolone would be a liver killer and libido death.
Let the guessing begin! Wait,.. Wait.! All at once: On your mark,.... Get set,........... :woohoo:
Actually- I found that last part interesting for 2 reasons.
-TST is not a progestin. (?)
-so My knockoff TRN, of the Mega variety, isn't what the original formula of M-TRN was!!! Well, dont I feel stupid letting that one go on Ebay! :nutkick:
It is. Thanks!Xtraflossy:
If the pic is you lad..looking good!
Keep it up.
Could someone clue me in on what TST could possibly be then?bigSMokey:
There is a valid point that should be answered here, no, TST had no progestin structural relationships. It also has no testosterone metabolites and is totally detectable.
death.
It is. Thanks!
So, the GL TRN is the Exact same as the original? I always thought it was, unless I missinterpreted what you said.
Generic Labz
Thanks, my bad.:hammer:Generic Labz
That confused me too. I'm guessing that Author meant that it was authentic TRN (because I believe that GL got some of their raws from ALRI (but I'm just going on heresay)). Then again, I could be completely miscontruing what Author had said. Just my take on it though, hopefully Author will come back with a bit of clarification.It is. Thanks!
So, the GL TRN is the Exact same as the original? I always thought it was, unless I missinterpreted what you said.
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