Does anyone have any before and after pictures?
Wow, not even protein? I justify my protein use by the fact that it's replacing more expensive whole food AND it's a helluva lot easier to prep and more convenient to bring with meI understand the cost comparison and breakdown but you have to understand that I only take a Multi-V at the moment. I don't take protein, creatine etc so it's not like i'm switching from a certain cycle of supps to another. I would be adding a fresh cost.
I forgot who I was responding to but it was someone breaking down the cost of similar products
I've limited my supps to almost nothing for quite a while. I threw in a couple products in the past few months to see how they were but even the ones that proved to be excellent aren't in my 'budget'. If the feedback proves to be good then i'll get a bottle for a spring cycle.
Thanks EJL.libido was baseline and up, no hairloss, supression felt so minimal that i never felt a rebound at all, was having morning wood on cycle and during pct, and i just used drive plus assorted staple supps
Ditto on the bloodwork and desire to see detailed safety data backed by lab results. I'm a huge fan of AN and would consider making this the first PH I've ever used but not until I see lab results confirming it's safety.so there were no reports of gyno or suppresion from the users? did any of them get bloodwork done? I as a potential customer in the future would love see a factual evidence that this product claims what it does. Im not trying cause an argument im just asking for the soul purpose of knowledge. Thanks APP-nut team.
:werd: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/all-the-whey/whey-protein-blend-5-lb.html - It would be tough to get the 1,760G's of protein in that bottle from a grocery store for $30Wow, not even protein? I justify my protein use by the fact that it's replacing more expensive whole food AND it's a helluva lot easier to prep and more convenient to bring with me
That's how you should sell it to wifey or g/f
IMO this product should in fact be very easy to clone. I believe it is a very simple process to convert it from Mestanolone. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that it can be synthesised by a simple nucleophilic substitution with hydroxylamine.No worries bud- per kg price is def. not cheap, unfortunately, and our supplier is not a conventional one- unlike most other cos. that offer this type of product...it costs more b/c it is a quality product- and this may be a pretty hard to clone or knock off- but only time will tell...
not sure they will need 4- like I said- the dosing was provided as a general guideline, not set in stone- I used 60 mg/day and gained 12 lbs. in 14 days....I think maybe were a little hung up on this statement from the original post:
"That will provide a full cycle even for the biggest guys...and then some"
The biggest guys would surely need 4 caps, maybe not all, but some surely would - so for those guys @ 4/day they can run it for 27.5 days, just under 4 weeks, so they get there full cycle...but wheres the "and then some" uppy_dog_eyes:
Maybe were just a bunch of cheap b@astards!
Well, i'll make you an offer jay. If you can swing the price of the bottle alone directly from Appnut.com, i'll make sure they put in a bottle of 2nd Gear, so you dont need a separate PCT. Does that help?I understand the cost comparison and breakdown but you have to understand that I only take a Multi-V at the moment. I don't take protein, creatine etc so it's not like i'm switching from a certain cycle of supps to another. I would be adding a fresh cost.
I forgot who I was responding to but it was someone breaking down the cost of similar products
I've limited my supps to almost nothing for quite a while. I threw in a couple products in the past few months to see how they were but even the ones that proved to be excellent aren't in my 'budget'. If the feedback proves to be good then i'll get a bottle for a spring cycle.
Bullies FTW! The ones in the pic aren't mine, but have a male that just made a year. He is crazy as hell but I love him. (no homo)are those English Bulldogs? I have always wanted one...
understandable- might take some time to get the data together- but if we can get it- it will availiable....Ditto on the bloodwork and desire to see detailed safety data backed by lab results. I'm a huge fan of AN and would consider making this the first PH I've ever used but not until I see lab results confirming it's safety.
As I said in another thread, I'd think this would particularly make sense for AN from a marketing perspective as, to-date, a large portion of their customers have surely been people training "naturally" (i.e. no PHs/Designers).
Again, I'm not trying to stir up drama either, just want to know that a powerful new chemical substance has at least some solid safety data behind it before I put it into my body. I don't think that's unreasonable
funny you should mention that- I really took down the level of protein in my diet when my wife and I changed how we ate to a modified vegetarian diet about a year ago- I noticed the same thing- I feel a lot healthierI stopped protein when I had serious digestive issues and when I got that under control (thanks dsade) I found I was able to still gain str and size with only using whole foods. I do pay more but I've found that I eat a bigger range of foods now and I feel a lot healthier than I did when I was protein driven.
LOL- yes, you could possibly be able to do it like that, but there are some major roadblocks:IMO this product should in fact be very easy to clone. I believe it is a very simple process to convert it from Mestanolone. Anybody can correct me if I am wrong but I am pretty sure that it can be synthesised by a simple nucleophilic substitution with hydroxylamine.
yeah- I love mine as wellBullies FTW! The ones in the pic aren't mine, but have a male that just made a year. He is crazy as hell but I love him. (no homo)
Does this offer apply to everyone:dot:?Well, i'll make you an offer jay. If you can swing the price of the bottle alone directly from Appnut.com, i'll make sure they put in a bottle of 2nd Gear, so you dont need a separate PCT. Does that help?
ha haDoes this offer apply to everyone:dot:?
LOL- maybe we can work something outbooo hissss boooo hissss, lol ah well we survived this long without "the one" I think a few weeks won't kill us, but....for the inconvienance the initial price shall be $19.99 for mods
Your rep power is at 666... crazy.Superdrol isn't supposed to aromatize either. We all know how that works out.
Mininmal support supps? Should I assume this is a non-methylated product?yeah, plus add in minimal support supps if any (none of us internal testers used any) feeling good through the cycle instead of feeling like napping, light easy inexpensive PCT, etc. a "normal" cycle of some of the other products hits as much as $200 or more once you add all the ancilliaries. 2 containers of a cycle support, exotic pct, etc
Do not assume because by doing so you make an ass out of U and Me. LOL. .Mininmal support supps? Should I assume this is a non-methylated product?
yet so few are with original superdrol, and almost all are with nolva, and NONE happened while on cycle. If it did aromatize, then the issues would occur on cycle, not 4-6 months later.....Your rep power is at 666... crazy.
Yeah, some to this day still disputes this; I say it will aromatize, regardless of what the lit says. Too many people have had problems.
I like the way you think rms I will be in touch:notworthy:LOL- maybe we can work something out
When you consider the fact that my monthly out of pocket expenses reach nearly 4,000.00 a month (sometimes just over), then I'm sure you would agree that 80 bucks is a tad bit much, especially if you like to add in supports such as I do...Everyone compares pricing with cheap a$$ Sdrol clones and the like. Anyone thats even had minor Organic Chem experience in the lab knows how tedious and grueling synthesizing EASY stuff is to do and the final product amounts, so for brand new synthesized hormone that seems like a steal.
Note the prices on proper cycles of:
Hdrol (2 bottles min)
Bold (need lots of bottles)
Furazadrol (need a few for a good one)
3-AD )need 2 bottles)
1-t ($65-75)
The new Dymathazine is around 60
Only a couple of those MIGHT allow for the gains that AN is proposing.
I will be running support supps because I am overly cautious and worst that happensis they improve my health anyway, just isnt fun because cycke support supps arent flashy haha
Seriously though, if during a month you were going to run a general non-hormonal stack is it all that much less? I mean a drive/rpm/neovar stack wouldn't cost significantly less. Or a ragnarok/cre02/zmk stack. Hyperdrol X2/MassFx, etc. With most everything in the $30-40 a bottle range anyhow, your average 2 bottles of NHA product comes to the same price.When you consider the fact that my monthly out of pocket expenses reach nearly 4,000.00 a month (sometimes just over), then I'm sure you would agree that 80 bucks is a tad bit much, especially if you like to add in supports such as I do...
Hopefully the pre-sale is quite good...
not sure they will need 4- like I said- the dosing was provided as a general guideline, not set in stone- I used 60 mg/day and gained 12 lbs. in 14 days....
If you can't afford the Ferrari, go buy a honda.:buttkick: Price is kind of steep, but if the product does what's claimed, I guess quality ain't cheap yo!Seriously though, if during a month you were going to run a general non-hormonal stack is it all that much less? I mean a drive/rpm/neovar stack wouldn't cost significantly less. Or a ragnarok/cre02/zmk stack. Hyperdrol X2/MassFx, etc. With most everything in the $30-40 a bottle range anyhow, your average 2 bottles of NHA product comes to the same price.
no, I was just saying that people see it as a price on a single bottle and it sounds too high, yet many of the same people have no problem dropping more than that on 2 products to run together the same month.If you can't afford the Ferrari, go buy a honda.:buttkick:
Modified vegetarian, right around maintenance- I eat really clean, and I don't have the tendency to bloat out12 pounds in 14 days.
What was your diet like?
WOW!!Modified vegetarian, right around maintenance- I eat really clean, and I don't have the tendency to bloat out
Sometimes you DO pay for what you buy. QUALITY over quantity...If you can't afford the Ferrari, go buy a honda.:buttkick: Price is kind of steep, but if the product does what's claimed, I guess quality ain't cheap yo!
No, not saying that any of the statements are not correct, just making a response to a specific reply earlier with no regards to the specific product being discussed, just 80 bucks in general for anything is what i should have stated.Seriously though, if during a month you were going to run a general non-hormonal stack is it all that much less? I mean a drive/rpm/neovar stack wouldn't cost significantly less. Or a ragnarok/cre02/zmk stack. Hyperdrol X2/MassFx, etc. With most everything in the $30-40 a bottle range anyhow, your average 2 bottles of NHA product comes to the same price.
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