waiting. lol
On what? lol rofl, hehe
waiting. lol
On what? lol rofl, hehe
Estrogen that's been suppressed will always "rebound," in your body's attempt to reacquire homeostasis. But the rebound doesn't always cause gyno (fortunately).The responses. Yours and others.
I just like soaking up the drama.
I know where I stand on pct protocols.
Stubborn and ignorant, but its mine.
Shouldnt "delayed gyno" just be called rebound?
Has anyone actually pinpointed the cause of superdrol gyno?Estrogen that's been suppressed will always "rebound," in your body's attempt to reacquire homeostasis. But the rebound doesn't always cause gyno (fortunately).
It's a huge mystery.Has anyone actually pinpointed the cause of superdrol gyno?
Or is it just like the SD PCT argument, many different ideals with no real definate protocol?
Reps, this is where i am at.It's a huge mystery.
But my current opinion (subject to change at any time, lol) is that SD must be such a strong anti-E (wiping out all your natural estrogen), that your body can over-react towards homeostasis once the SD is stopped. This makes PCT absolutely critical, but I haven't yet formulated a PCT protocol that I'm confident with.
Has anyone actually pinpointed the cause of superdrol gyno?
Or is it just like the SD PCT argument, many different ideals with no real definate protocol?
Let me know if you come up with one, because it's driving me nuts, lol.Reps, this is where i am at.
It's a huge mystery.
But my current opinion (subject to change at any time, lol) is that SD must be such a strong anti-E (wiping out all your natural estrogen), that your body can over-react towards homeostasis once the SD is stopped. This makes PCT absolutely critical, but I haven't yet formulated a PCT protocol that I'm confident with.
Yeah -- I'm definitely not a scientist (or a doctor, lol), so this stuff just gives me a headache.This is exactly where those BB 'experts' get their theory. Since SD possibly acts as a potent AI (as does Masteron), suppressing estro, then jumping to an AI for PCT your estrogen is too low for too long (rebound?). It's one of the better theories I've seen thus far, just my opinion though.
I could see it go that way.This is exactly where those BB 'experts' get their theory. Since SD possibly acts as a potent AI (as does Masteron), suppressing estro, then jumping to an AI for PCT your estrogen is too low for too long (rebound?). It's one of the better theories I've seen thus far, just my opinion though.
I could see it go that way.
But there have been successful pcts with AI's. or at least gyno free.
Bloodwork post cycle shows what? Low T and Low E or just Low T......?
ImJ2x, if i could guarantee a no gyno SD PCT. I would be living on a beach somewhere collecting royalties......lol
spell out the tits word Z....is that s h i t t y , b i t c h y ?No doubt. I'm sure it has a lot to do with ones own physiology too. Some guys are 'prone' to gyno. Other guys may not get gyno even if they tried.
I have a friend at my gym who was prone to *****y tits since he was a kid. He worked out successfully for years and made pretty good progress, finally one day wanted to try an 'anabolic'. I personally told him it probably wasn't a good idea, but he was convinced he could get away with Epistane based on their ads claiming to possibly help gyno. Well, needless to say he received a nasty gyno case. He got rid of 99% of it with Letrozole and then a year later he ran SD, idiot.
when i get my blood back itll be on PPLEX MDROL bridge, in which case we will see if any anti E properties.
now "delayed" gyno is caused by HIGH amounts of anti androgens/AIs (ATD), it will help you recover bettern (if in low doses) but if in high doses it is counter intuitive to you recovery because
1= you want a higher androgen then estrogen ratio.
2= estrogen is dimished too much
when you use ATD it lowers them both and thus causing an unfavorable ratio.
now on the other hand, aside from ATD (which just seems to be unique to all other steroidal AIs)
When you just use a SERM it leaves flowing estrogen in the body, and doesnt block the aromatization of natural androgens to estrogens. when you stop the SERM it "floods" the receptors causing a REBOUND and possibly gyno.
SD is methylated masteron, and we all know that changing even something as little as that can change how it reacts in the body, and Z has used the EQ and Dbol example quite often, which is true. so saying its a strong anti E because masteron should not be held to 100% truth.
those are my theorys take it or leave it. lol
Ah, vitamin H (haloperidol/haldol). We use it all the time in the ER. Very often utilized in conjunction with vitamin A (lorazepam/ativan). Haldol 5mg/Ativan 2mg/Cogentin 1mg (IM) is called the "Psych Cocktail" lol! :lol:I've never heard of anyone who got SD gyno that used a SERM only, regardless of which one (Clomid, Tamox, Torem) - doesn't seem physiologically possible <--- No pun
But, if there was 'receptor rebound', then say someone is taking an anti-psychotic like Haldol which blocks dopamine at the brain receptor. When they stop their body isn't flooded with Dopamine as if they just did a kilo of cocaine.
You make no sense and you’re not answering the question.Are you reading what I write or just responding?
The point is I don't agree with Nolva's use either and suggest that the negative feedback NOT happening, would NOT support its higher efficacy when compared to clomid.
D_
no they may get prolactin sides though, .....?I've never heard of anyone who got SD gyno that used a SERM only, regardless of which one (Clomid, Tamox, Torem) - doesn't seem physiologically possible <--- No pun
But, if there was 'receptor rebound', then say someone is taking an anti-psychotic like Haldol which blocks dopamine at the brain receptor. When they stop their body isn't flooded with Dopamine as if they just did a kilo of cocaine.
Ah, vitamin H (haloperidol/haldol). We use it all the time in the ER. Very often utilized in conjunction with vitamin A (lorazepam/ativan). Haldol 5mg/Ativan 2mg/Cogentin 1mg (IM) is called the "Psych Cocktail" lol! :lol:
Haha, but I bet they're lovely patients.Ah, vitamin H (haloperidol/haldol). We use it all the time in the ER. Very often utilized in conjunction with vitamin A (lorazepam/ativan). Haldol 5mg/Ativan 2mg/Cogentin 1mg (IM) is called the "Psych Cocktail" lol! :lol:
Actually the new wonder antipsychotic is called Geodon. I've seen that stuff put down the most irrate and massive people. Good stuff.Haha, but I bet they're lovely patients.
Sadly the days of Thorazine are falling away from us
Actually the new wonder antipsychotic is called Geodon. I've seen that stuff put down the most irrate and massive people. Good stuff.
I'm currently an RN, however working on putting together an application for PA (Physician Assistant) school. I know many say, "why don't you just go on in nursing and become an nurse practitoner?" I've debated this for some time. The truth is it depends where you live which is utilized more. Not to mention it's unfortunate, but nurse practitoners don't get the respect in medicine they should. I suppose because the word "nurse" is in the title, and the stigma of a nurse carries with it. It's crap, but i see it all the time. Not that PA's don't face similar issues though.so are you in med school doing rounds or an Actual doctor out of school and practicing?
but thats pretty cool, i just dissected a rat today it was pretty sweet lol
well congrats on everhthing man!!!I'm currently an RN, however working on putting together an application for PA (Physician Assistant) school. I know many say, "why don't you just go on in nursing and become an nurse practitoner?" I've debated this for some time. The truth is it depends where you live which is utilized more. Not to mention it's unfortunate, but nurse practitoners don't get the respect in medicine they should. I suppose because the word "nurse" is in the title, and the stigma of a nurse carries with it. It's crap, but i see it all the time. Not that PA's don't face similar issues though.
If i wasn't married and in the process of creating a family i would have just gone for my MD. I'm happy with my decisions though, and would feel accomplished and satisfied with the PA role.
In florida the PA role is fairly decent in the ER setting, which is where i want to work anyway.
D pwned PP and J2x - just ask him...What happened to the PP vs D slugfest I sub'd for? I know I'm not the only one that was let down.
:hammer:D pwned PP and J2x - just ask him...
[I hope your 7th post here is more enlightening.]
[I hope your 7th post here is more enlightening.]
The presence of contaminants may be possibility that is over looked especially when dealing with clones.Has anyone actually pinpointed the cause of superdrol gyno?
Or is it just like the SD PCT argument, many different ideals with no real definate protocol?
At least it was clever, lol.nope
The presence of contaminants may be possibility that is over looked especially when dealing with clones.
Product? I have no interest in CEL but thanks. I do love me some M Drol though.For which comment that I made on which product do you question?
I'd assume you would then agree his qualifications are more inline with the validity of his suggestions, correct? Although as you would likely agree psychology also plays a significant role in PCT recovery. However I believe this discussion is in relevant to the scientific aspect of PCT recovery in relation to SERMs.And yes, I have experience running cycles.
BS in Psychology
MBA
I'm not hiring right now but I'll keep you in mind for the future.Would you like a resume?
Thats an odd statement coming from someone as educated and as young as yourself (I do not know your actual age but for some reason I thought you were a younger guy).However no amount of education can replace experience, regardless.
I think it has been said, and said again but most average cyclers have no clue what gyno actually is (I think mullet has an entire thread here dedicated to this).Numerous people had this issue. But maybe since it might seem illogical in terms of physiology they were just imagining the lumps.
Product? I have no interest in CEL but thanks. I do love me some M Drol though.
I'd assume you would then agree his qualifications are more inline with the validity of his suggestions, correct? Although as you would likely agree psychology also plays a significant role in PCT recovery. However I believe this discussion is in relevant to the scientific aspect of PCT recovery in relation to SERMs.
I'm not hiring right now but I'll keep you in mind for the future.
Thats an odd statement coming from someone as educated and as young as yourself (I do not know your actual age but for some reason I thought you were a younger guy).
Back to my point - I dont think it is necessary to question his qualifications as they are posted all over the net. I'd like to see the discussion between Nolva and Clomid continue. Pp has asked some pretty relevant questions in regards to D_'s stance. I'm not sure your posts are moving in that direction.
Also, if you think I'm some D_ "nuthugger" here to join the "battle" think again. I have questioned his opinion on numerous occasions and fwiw used Nolva (oh mai!) in my last few PCT's.
I think it has been said, and said again but most average cyclers have no clue what gyno actually is (I think mullet has an entire thread here dedicated to this).
But really the "delayed" part is what I am questioning. Its a "bro" term and has no scientific relevance. Gyno is gyno.
I'm a "bro" btw, so its kool with me if yall wanna call it that. :afro:
Young? noProduct? I have no interest in CEL but thanks. I do love me some M Drol though.
I'd assume you would then agree his qualifications are more inline with the validity of his suggestions, correct? Although as you would likely agree psychology also plays a significant role in PCT recovery. However I believe this discussion is in relevant to the scientific aspect of PCT recovery in relation to SERMs.
I'm not hiring right now but I'll keep you in mind for the future.
Thats an odd statement coming from someone as educated and as young as yourself (I do not know your actual age but for some reason I thought you were a younger guy).
Back to my point - I dont think it is necessary to question his qualifications as they are posted all over the net. I'd like to see the discussion between Nolva and Clomid continue. Pp has asked some pretty relevant questions in regards to D_'s stance. I'm not sure your posts are moving in that direction.
Also, if you think I'm some D_ "nuthugger" here to join the "battle" think again. I have questioned his opinion on numerous occasions and fwiw used Nolva (oh mai!) in my last few PCT's.
I think it has been said, and said again but most average cyclers have no clue what gyno actually is (I think mullet has an entire thread here dedicated to this).
But really the "delayed" part is what I am questioning. Its a "bro" term and has no scientific relevance. Gyno is gyno.
I'm a "bro" btw, so its kool with me if yall wanna call it that. :afro:
I concur.
I would really like to see the clomid/nolva debate go on further.
I still think clomid is a better choice for returning test, preferably with HCG, and Nolva as an Anti-E for normal gyno concerns.
I must admit, i derailed the topic as well.
My apologies.......
D, where are you?
You make no sense and you’re not answering the question.
What’s your proposed mechanism of how Nolva would inhibit the hypothalamus?
-Pp
Probably not a great idea to flatter yourself as they sure weren't.People talk about J2x on other forums? Awesome. They barely talk about me here...
Running cycles does NOT make you more experienced at anything. This is silly banter and I have countered such discussions in the past.Then you must have ran / experienced many different cycles and cycle variables, my apologies. Otherwise the rhetoric is useless.
Let's see ... I will correct again, sure. I haven't posted but a handful of posts in the last 6 months at DA, so would you like to continue to attack, displaying how much you do NOT know about me or address the issues at hand. This is prototypical strawman attempts. Again, I am not really phased by gang-philosophy of bb message boards (but you likely know that as you apparently claim to know me better than me).Did you add it to DA? Therapeutic? Where do you practice and see patients? I assumed Rochester but I guess I was wrong
Want to continue talking? I parted ways with MAN back late last year. Do you really want to keep displaying the huge disparity that exists in what you know about me? Completely ludicrous and likely borderline asinine.What about the supplement companies you profit off and help do marketing for, like MAN? Nothing to sell, you're trying to sell an 'internet image' for self profit. Not a bad idea, but let's be honest here.
"One would only say that when people are getting this frustrated, you've accomplished task; people have compared this thread to the dinoiii of yesteryear, much more abrasive, ticking off supplement company owners - and still nothing to sell to you all, but one who is called out because of that very fact - I won't sell you bullshit; oh well, keep the hope alive guys."
Nothing to sell..except your own services. Judging by the way you spent your entire weekend on here making rude comments (the real reason people get "frustrated" with you, not because your verbosity is unassailable) you apparently need to troll for patients. Good luck to you in that endeavor, however be advised that AM charges an advertisement fee.
This is not exactly true, but it was you guys who brought up education...re-read once again - not me.However no amount of education can replace experience, regardless.
I'm not brilliant enough to comment on the "science" of the beast, but the definition of "delayed" gyno is pretty straight-forward. Traditionally, gyno occurs on-cycle (due to highly-aromitizable "wet" compounds, I believe). Delayed gyno is that which appears at some point after the conclusion of your cycle and PCT. I literally woke up one morning lactating (painfully) weeks after I ended PCT.
Says the guy who preaches in authoratative fashion. Mildly entertaining.It's a huge mystery.
Oh, but you have...But my current opinion (subject to change at any time, lol) is that SD must be such a strong anti-E (wiping out all your natural estrogen), that your body can over-react towards homeostasis once the SD is stopped. This makes PCT absolutely critical, but I haven't yet formulated a PCT protocol that I'm confident with.
And yet still when independently compared (only non-government sponsored comparative AntiPsychotic trial), Clozaril still beats them all (ok, so Abilify won't give you the runs with agranulocytosis, but the pull is still quite significant in the efficacy domain).Actually the new wonder antipsychotic is called Geodon. I've seen that stuff put down the most irrate and massive people. Good stuff.
:hammer:
I presented a pretty basic argument for nolva being superior to clomid… but Dillio never really rebutted my points or explained himself.
-Pp