That you are.Nawwww I am too freaking sweet
That you are.Nawwww I am too freaking sweet
FUNNIEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY!!! LMAOI think the advertising alone would be priceless, on fubar especially. I could see it now: Do you want to get bigger, stronger, faster? Then get FUBAR! I don't think I would be able to read or watch that advertisement with a straight face. Definitely not a knock on you Raven. I would most likely try the supp simply because of the name and ALRI's reputation. But I'll give you props, that has marketing gold written all over it.
:icon_lol:"Gain muscle fast all the while looking like you sat on a wet banana!"
I guess I need that dog man. We have lots in common... :icon_lol:FUNNIEST THING I'VE READ ALL DAY!!! LMAO
Hey yeah! It says... KAWOOF! KAWOOF! It's a beotch trying to get it down from trees.I guess I need that dog man. We have lots in common... :icon_lol:
RAVEN,
Are you yet able to comment on how many different individual compounds make up the product Jungle Warfare?
Mr.50
Gimmie!!5, I know, what do they do? (LOL)
1) Herbal AR agonist (non-androgenic non-hormonal) and Insulinogenic repartitioning
2) Estrogen modulator for optimized HPTA health and natural androgen to estrogen ratio
3) Free test optimization
4)Pro-hypertrophic receptor modulator
Should be fun, huh? And, yes, it works, but you can be the judge soon. Herbs are good for other things other than spaghetti.
From the FAQ, 3) is the stuff in ActivaTe. What about the others?1) Herbal AR agonist (non-androgenic non-hormonal) and Insulinogenic repartitioning
2) Estrogen modulator for optimized HPTA health and natural androgen to estrogen ratio
3) Free test optimization
4)Pro-hypertrophic receptor modulator
well I dont think it will be classified as a steroid. A steroid is a lipid characterized by a carbon skeleton with four fused rings and if it is herbal I dont think it will have this structure.If it binds the androgen receptor it is classified as a steroid. The statement non-hormonal, non-androgenic makes no sense at all. If it enters the cell and binds the androgen receptor then it is a hormone and if it binds the AR to any degree then it will produce some androgenic effects. Altough it is "herbal" (very misleading), it contains some compounds which have steroidal activity.
You have to remmeber that part of the reason ALRI are calling it non-hormal and non-androgenic is to avoid the negative publicity that the recent designer steriods got and other hormonal products. So I think it is a mixture of marketing and trying to cover themselves.If it binds the androgen receptor it is classified as a steroid. The statement non-hormonal, non-androgenic makes no sense at all. If it enters the cell and binds the androgen receptor then it is a hormone and if it binds the AR to any degree then it will produce some androgenic effects. Altough it is "herbal" (very misleading), it contains some compounds which have steroidal activity.
Hey hey! You forgot to sprinkle some truth on that mixture to get the perfect magic recipe!You have to remmeber that part of the reason ALRI are calling it non-hormal and non-androgenic is to avoid the negative publicity that the recent designer steriods got and other hormonal products. So I think it is a mixture of marketing and trying to cover themselves.
Like i said if it binds the androgen receptor it must have the same carbon backbone as other androgens, thus making it a steroid. The fact that it is herbal means nothing besides covering their asses. And at the age of 18 why are you even considering this?well I dont think it will be classified as a steroid. A steroid is a lipid characterized by a carbon skeleton with four fused rings and if it is herbal I dont think it will have this structure.
And I do think I trust this company because they seem to be very firm as to say what they are saying.
I would just like to know the answers to my questions above.
You cannot possibly know that every possible compound that binds to the AR is steroidal in structure. There may be others. Stranger things have been seen in biology.Like i said if it binds the androgen receptor it must have the same carbon backbone as other androgens, thus making it a steroid. The fact that it is herbal means nothing besides covering their asses. And at the age of 18 why are you even considering this?
there are bound to be things out there without the steroid backbone but an AR atogonist.Like i said if it binds the androgen receptor it must have the same carbon backbone as other androgens, thus making it a steroid. The fact that it is herbal means nothing besides covering their asses. And at the age of 18 why are you even considering this?
I would leave a problem like this to your endocrinologist. Why would you take a supplement that would lead to further suppression of your testosterone?there are bound to be things out there without the steroid backbone but an AR atogonist.
and at the age of 18 I am considering this because I have low testosterone levels tested. But first in the summer I will get to an endocrinologist to properly sort out my problem. My doctor said my low testosterone levels is normal , and said the range is a bell shaped curve, that really did get me angry since my test result was below the normal range
Nobody knows yet I don't thinkYou definately have a point there, but forskolin and IL-6 are the only two compounds so far discovered that do this. And their specific actions on protein kinase A and cAMP levels allow them to do this, which most likely isnt the case with jungle warfare. Is forskolin in this and what are the other ingredients?
I think ALRI has an idea... :icon_lol:Nobody knows yet I don't think
here we go:You definately have a point there, but forskolin and IL-6 are the only two compounds so far discovered that do this. And their specific actions on protein kinase A and cAMP levels allow them to do this, which most likely isnt the case with jungle warfare. Is forskolin in this and what are the other ingredients?
SARM? I cant see it on the ingredient list? All I can see isExcept for the addition of the SARM which is still the major point of the whole product and what actually makes it different. ZThat is the ingredient that no one seems to know what it is.
Mr.50
hi cheers for your reply, but where did you get that word SARM from? and the two extracts you named do you have any idea what they are?The chemical compound name of the SARM is so far omitted so that it will be more difficult for other companies to copy but what I can tell you is that it is either one of the compounds of the Mormordica extract or of the Coleonol Extract.
the divanilly is the compound similar to Activate and the ADED is, I believe the anti-estrogen.
This leaves the other two actions named to be provided by the two extracts which are a vague description by design to protect from copycats.
Now I am sure that a lot of people are going to say F---- that. If I don't know what it is I won't use it. And I can relate to that but look at it from ALRI's perspective. How can they protect their incom stream if everyone and their brother can steal the product.
Whatever the case I am going to be starting some either the end of this week or the beginning of next and I will log it so I will be happy to be the guinea pig and then we will know if it stands up to the claims.
Mr.50
Yeah unless I am not searching for the right things Mormordica is Bitter Melon (blood sugar control) and Coleonol is Forskolin. Hopefully the extract of the Forskolin is pretty strong because it is the last listed of the 4 and there are only 250 mgs. Still should be a good product if only for the Divanyll and the anti-e though. If anyone figures out new info about these extracts let us know.hi cheers for your reply, but where did you get that word SARM from? and the two extracts you named do you have any idea what they are?
I did a search on the two Mormordica extract or of the Coleonol Extract and all I found was how it was good at controlling glucose levels and help treating obesity?
I think you got it the other way round. This extract actually says that it is ANTI-ANDROGENIC meaning causes less androgens.Been digging for a bit and the study below is the only thing on bitter melon and a possible androgenic effect. Pretty weak.
Also thought this link would be of interest to you guys, though not necessarily related, momordica is mentioned on the list.
Effect of graded doses of Momordica charantia seed extract on rat sperm: scanning electron microscope study.
Girini MM, Ahamed RN, Aladakatti RH.
Department of Post-Graduate Studies & Research in Zoology Karnatak University, Dharwad 580003, India.
Morphological changes in sperm of albino rats observed under scanning electron microscopy illustrate the disturbance in the plasma membrane as well as in the acrosomal membrane on treatment with effect of graded doses of alcohol seed extract from Momordica charantia. Considerable changes in the shape and size of the sperm head were observed, with the middle region of the sperm head being slightly constricted dorsoventrally. Most sperm appeared morphologically abnormal in the mid-region of the tail, with formation of a balloon-like cytoplasmic droplet. The results of this study suggest that such effects may have resulted from a general disturbance in proteins and an alteration in the cauda epididymal milieu, probably due to androgen deficiency consequent to the anti-androgenic property of Momordica charantia seeds.
Caught that, that's what the "weak" comment was about, as in not much to find and what there is isn't too promising.I think you got it the other way round. This extract actually says that it is ANTI-ANDROGENIC meaning causes less androgens.
alrite ok, anyways I found this extract, it seems to agree with the extract you put up about "anti-spermogenic" but however says that it has androgenic activities, and suggests possibly that less testostosterone is synthesised hence the "antisteroidogenic" partCaught that, that's what the "weak" comment was about, as in not much to find and what there is isn't too promising.
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