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I dont,lol... Thats what makes us individuals.I do 60+ minutes of cardio while bulking.....
I dont,lol... Thats what makes us individuals.I do 60+ minutes of cardio while bulking.....
I was about to say the same thing after reading your nonsense responses that redefined several age old techniques of bodybuildingI'm out of this thread, I can only use reason and common sense for so long.
Lmfao! "i don't"I dont,lol... Thats what makes us individuals.
I dont,lol... Thats what makes us individuals.
Since the both of you like to toss around the word "retard" like we're all still 8 years old, how about you define what a bulk is for the rest of us. What I'm getting from both of your "arguments" is tantamount to what a sumo wrestler does to bulk. The funny thing about science is that the rest of choose to appreciate new findings and techniques instead of grasping onto "age old techniques of bodybuilding". It's called progress. So please, enlighten us.I was about to say the same thing after reading your nonsense responses that redefined several age old techniques of bodybuilding
Great post. Remember the whole "repartitioning" discussion earlier in this thread? Well an aero-anaerobic HIIT session will effectively repartition carbohydrates. The ~200-400 calorie-burn from the cardio can be overcome by eating one poptart, and yes, your body composition and performance threshold will be improved over the no cardio + no poptart scenario.Since the both of you like to toss around the word "retard" like we're all still 8 years old, how about you define what a bulk is for the rest of us. What I'm getting from both of your "arguments" is tantamount to what a sumo wrestler does to bulk. The funny thing about science is that the rest of choose to appreciate new findings and techniques instead of grasping onto "age old techniques of bodybuilding". It's called progress. So please, enlighten us.
I will give my opinion as soon as i get home....Since the both of you like to toss around the word "retard" like we're all still 8 years old, how about you define what a bulk is for the rest of us. What I'm getting from both of your "arguments" is tantamount to what a sumo wrestler does to bulk. The funny thing about science is that the rest of choose to appreciate new findings and techniques instead of grasping onto "age old techniques of bodybuilding". It's called progress. So please, enlighten us.
Coop, what exactly do you mean now?Great post. Remember the whole "repartitioning" discussion earlier in this thread? Well an aero-anaerobic HIIT session will effectively repartition carbohydrates. The ~200-400 calorie-burn from the cardio can be overcome by eating one poptart, and yes, your body composition and performance threshold will be improved over the no cardio + no poptart scenario.
Do I do cardio? Almost never. But that's because I hate it. It's by no means necessary, but it is beneficial.
I gained 70 lbs in 8 months (no typo). Do I qualify?75% of you guys in this thread don't have a grasp on what bulking actually is....I chalk that up to either no real experience in the iron game and/or too much lab work and not enough real world experience....or you are just ignorant to the definition of bulking? not sure.....
Essentially he doesn't do cardio....EVER....but is playing devils advocate for the other side despite this lol...Coop, what exactly do you mean now?
You know how to bulk then....were you previously anorexic though? 70 lbs? that's a personI gained 70 lbs in 8 months (no typo). Do I qualify?
Aaron, I mean that HIIT is glycogen depleting in the legs and thus exerts a repartitioning effect similar to weightlifting. It also improves longterm anaerobic performance and VO2 max.
Clean = Micro nutrient densebut like (I think) mr. cooper said earlier....there are no dirty calories...its all just macronutrients in and out....are carbs dirty? are fats dirty? why are nachos or white bread dirty? because they are not protein? why is chicken clean? or is it simply because they can cause fat gain in excess? well anything can do that, mcdonalds or not.... then I suppose don't eat them in excess and then they are not dirty! You're caloric intake that particular day is what dictates if the calories are "dirty", not necessarily if its mcdonalds or if its steamed chicken and broccoli.
Lol I'm enjoying this. I get a little entertainment and 'some' useable infoThis thread I don't even....
I feel for OP..at least he got his answers before this rock throwing contest began.
That's the plan :bigok::dunno:
I'm sit back, watch, listen, & see what I can learn.
Not this shyt makes sense. :lol:Clean = Micro nutrient dense
Dirty= Not
If you say so....but its all random fuel to me other than my 200g protein. I do add in my fair share of fish or chicken or broccoli/veggies though...yes...as well you can supplement in EFA or vitamins or fiber etc....Clean = Micro nutrient dense
Dirty= Not
I had lost a fair bit of weight due to a congenital pathology, but it didn't change the fact that I was eating a ****ton of food for 2/3 of a yearYou know how to bulk then....were you previously anorexic though? 70 lbs? that's a person
No, I'm stating facts.Essentially he doesn't do cardio....EVER....but is playing devils advocate for the other side despite this lol...
Kinda playing both sides....but ok I'll accept that explanationI had lost a fair bit of weight due to a congenital pathology, but it didn't change the fact that I was eating a ****ton of food for 2/3 of a year
No, I'm stating facts.
Just read the posts from company reps Itt. That is the only thing I learned from. Otherwise, some terribly antiquated views on diet, spent most of my time loling at ridiculous statements. Anabeta elite is a great product to minimize fat gain on a bulk even at a surplus of 500 or more calories above maintenance. I'm sure Alphamine is great too just haven't tried.:dunno:
I'm sit back, watch, listen, & see what I can learn.
Haha, there are no "sides." There are facts and I'm stating them. Pretty much the only prerequisities to favorable BBing body composition are weightlifting, proper nutrition, and proper rest. Cardio is unquestionably beneficial for health and weightlifting performance, but it is not necessary.Kinda playing both sides....but ok I'll accept that explanation
Good for you.If you say so....but its all random fuel to me other than my 200g protein. I do add in my fair share of fish or chicken or broccoli/veggies though...yes...as well you can supplement in EFA or vitamins or fiber etc....
You have contradicted yourself for the last 6 pages over and over about a very simple concept. Pls go. "playing both sides" lol.Kinda playing both sides....but ok I'll accept that explanation
Dudw this is why im starting to question vertain ppl around here when they comment...everything is scientific,i read a book that says..broaxience is frowned upon buy alot of ppl..my most recent bulk was from 184 -212...yes im down to about 193-195...i know what im doing,lol..and will give a dull entailed opinion on what a bulk is..but warbirs alor of these kids are just that booksmart..75% of you guys in this thread don't have a grasp on what bulking actually is....I chalk that up to either no real experience in the iron game and/or too much lab work and not enough real world experience....or you are just ignorant to the definition of bulking? not sure.....
Don't be jealous that my knowledge is greater than yours....one day you will know wtf you are talking about sweetheart....i hope at least ....You have contradicted yourself for the last 6 pages over and over about a very simple concept. Pls go. "playing both sides" lol.
Fair enough....and i agree on all points of course.Haha, there are no "sides." There are facts and I'm stating them. Pretty much the only prerequisities to favorable BBing body composition are weightlifting, proper nutrition, and proper rest. Cardio is unquestionably beneficial for health and weightlifting performance, but it is not necessary.
He means it is better to have done cardio and eaten more, than to never have done cardio at all.Coop, what exactly do you mean now?
I'm not jealous of you lol. Your arrogance amuses me.Don't be jealous that my knowledge is greater than yours....one day you will know wtf you are talking about sweetheart....i hope at least ....
I find it best to merge real world experience/anecdotal with science ....take the best from both and make your own decisions from there....but yeah, there is no replacement for real world experience...in EVERYTHING for that matter...Dudw this is why im starting to question vertain ppl around here when they comment...everything is scientific,i read a book that says..broaxience is frowned upon buy alot of ppl..my most recent bulk was from 184 -212...yes im down to about 193-195...i know what im doing,lol..and will give a dull entailed opinion on what a bulk is..but warbirs alor of these kids are just that booksmart..
Ill eefer to broscience,cause ive sone it,not what a book told me
Glad i could be of amusement for you....at least you got something out of today discussionI'm not jealous of you lol. Your arrogance amuses me.
Coop actually brought up a lot of interesting stuff that I enjoyed.Glad i could be of amusement for you....at least you got something out of today discussion
Some people get all shytty when you challenge their beliefs/ideas....instead of providing backing for their argument....perhaps insecurity issues?Lol another friendly discussion.
This coming from e-lifter of the year lol.Some people get all shytty when you challenge their beliefs/ideas....instead of providing backing for their argument....perhaps insecurity issues?
Funny reading back me and cooper agreed on 90% of this....Coop actually brought up a lot of interesting stuff that I enjoyed.
Some people can't play nice like that...who shall remain namelessEvery1 should rep each other & share different approaches as to what you think works good for you. Teamwork here, let's all get better @ this sport.
I'm playing nice ! I stayed out of it.Some people can't play nice like that...who shall remain nameless
I'm drinking v8 fusion right now.I'm playing nice ! I stayed out of it.
It comes down to this...you can come here and mention Scientific facts, you can also bring in personal experience and your beliefs into the table; that is all valid because it's your opinion of the matter. What has to be avoided (and I'm learning to do so day by day...) is that:
You cannot go ahead and force your personal opinion over someone else's personal opinion. If you both trade arguments, and can't reach a valid standpoint to meet halfway or agree on either side...well you simply bow it out, thank the other person for participating and you take (or leave) what you want.
Edit: And this is just being general about it, not point fingers, not calling names; All I mean is that we should all respect each other.
One of the many reasons i queation him expierience wise....i even said the other day,what about hands on???? I think im not even gonna bother with my opinion,its clear.Like i said all book smarts.Essentially he doesn't do cardio....EVER....but is playing devils advocate for the other side despite this lol...
Questioning MR. CoooperOne of the many reasons i queation him expierience wise....i even said the other day,what about hands on???? I think im not even gonna bother with my opinion,its clear.Like i said all book smarts.
And yea i like things the old school way,its how i was taught..
Didn't get it :blink: Explain >_<!!I'm drinking v8 fusion right now.
:bigok:
Like some of mentioned (and Coop clarified) , some of them are more benefitial on a bulk , like Reduce-XT , TTA , PLCAR , Raspberry ketones and EC stack. But meh , EC is a year round need for some of us anyway ! And I agree with his ideas, scientifically and theoretically speaking they are right...and coming from experience some of us agree those theories are right too .:lol:
So should Fat Burners be used on a bulk?
Like some of mentioned (and Coop clarified) , some of them are more benefitial on a bulk , like Reduce-XT , TTA , PLCAR , Raspberry ketones and EC stack. But meh , EC is a year round need for some of us anyway ! And I agree with his ideas, scientifically and theoretically speaking they are right...and coming from experience some of us agree those theories are right too .
Just my opinion...
Didn't get it :blink: Explain >_<!!
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