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haha - thanks for looking man!

yeah, i tore right in to the box and wnet for it - if i wasn't actaully in the midst of a cycle right now i probaly would have poped one! haha

not that I noticed. Damn addictive personality, I ripped the box open, popped the cap, peeled the foil, removed cotton, grabbed one cap, closed it + swallowed

nah no loose powder in the bottle
 

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...when you question it you are being a drama queen. you are a rabble rouser, starting trouble. much analagous to anyone that questions government policies - these people are as we all know "unpatriotic" perhaps even "treasonous"


I think this thread has gone quite well so far...JMO
 
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haha - thanks for looking man!

yeah, i tore right in to the box and wnet for it - if i wasn't actaully in the midst of a cycle right now i probaly would have poped one! haha
What do you plan for dosing? the 450mg/day? truthfully I'm 10x more interested in cortisol control than anabolism right now. Partially because of my goals, and partially because there are other compounds around that are great for the anabolic aspect besides just this one. This ones "uniqueness" comes from the cortisol aspect. Thats why i'd like to even dose lower than 300mg, as I am not looking for anabolic out of it, i'd rather have 0 sides and 0 shutdown, but loose 2lbs of VAT.
 
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whenever i start talking factual science all these people call it drama

i never could get that


wait a minute, I get it now!!

you are supposed to never question a supplement companies marketing hype. you are suppsoed to get accept it and get excited. Join the hysteria

when you question it you are being a drama queen. you are a rabble rouser, starting trouble. much analagous to anyone that questions government policies - these people are as we all know "unpatriotic" perhaps even "treasonous"

If you left it at factual science, you would be golden :clap2:
 
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i'm not sure - i purchased it mainly to get it tested (curiousity) and have for down the line when i need a cort product. i have an abundance of PHs' so i would say i wouldn't use it for anabolism (of course i say that now haha)

i'm currently running x-lean :head: as a cort block

What do you plan for dosing? the 450mg/day? truthfully I'm 10x more interested in cortisol control than anabolism right now. Partially because of my goals, and partially because there are other compounds around that are great for the anabolic aspect besides just this one. This ones "uniqueness" comes from the cortisol aspect. Thats why i'd like to even dose lower than 300mg, as I am not looking for anabolic out of it, i'd rather have 0 sides and 0 shutdown, but loose 2lbs of VAT.
 
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i'm not sure - i purchased it mainly to get it tested (curiousity) and have for down the line when i need a cort product. i have an abundance of PHs' so i would say i wouldn't use it for anabolism (of course i say that now haha)

i'm currently running x-lean :head: as a cort block
I am still kicking myself for not buying 20g of the bulk adrenosterone that couple hours that CNW had it. but I figured this was just enough time to get a little bit of extra help with my VAT right before starting the Leviathan/Incarnate combo, and loosing a bunch of fat that way as well. And also at the end of that contest if i'm not at a lean 9% BF, i'll have enough of this left over to do a couple of weeks worth, maybe even do 150mg/day during a cycle
 
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whenever i start talking factual science all these people call it drama

i never could get that


wait a minute, I get it now!!

you are supposed to never question a supplement companies marketing hype. you are suppsoed to get accept it and get excited. Join the hysteria

when you question it you are being a drama queen. you are a rabble rouser, starting trouble. much analagous to anyone that questions government policies - these people are as we all know "unpatriotic" perhaps even "treasonous"
PA,

Your talking of factual science is VERY welcome, requested, and valued on this as well as any forum you frequent. That is a fact everyone will agree with. We all acknowledge very few in the industry have the level of training and understanding that you do.
HOWEVER, I think the questioning of your motives and techniques comes about due to the methods and timing used to share your knowledge. You share info, but it is almost always in the process of discrediting something. When that is all the forum reader sees, they begin to wonder. So many questions float around here that go unanswered (I'm not saying it's your job to answer them) and I know for a fact the answer is right there in your brain. A positive, friendly contribution to the forums in addition to your 'Consumer Reports" would go a long way.
 

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there is STILL shutdown, even with the cortisol dose that PA uses in 11-oxo. he recommends his 6-oxo extreme for PCt off of it..........
 
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thats sound like a sound plan bro - best wishes on the stack!

are you going to be logging it? i just purchased the same stack from discount for a great price (just to have - i'm a supplement junkie - i stock-pile like a mo'fo')

I am still kicking myself for not buying 20g of the bulk adrenosterone that couple hours that CNW had it. but I figured this was just enough time to get a little bit of extra help with my VAT right before starting the Leviathan/Incarnate combo, and loosing a bunch of fat that way as well. And also at the end of that contest if i'm not at a lean 9% BF, i'll have enough of this left over to do a couple of weeks worth, maybe even do 150mg/day during a cycle
 

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PA,

Your talking of factual science is VERY welcome, requested, and valued on this as well as any forum you frequent. That is a fact everyone will agree with. We all acknowledge very few in the industry have the level of training and understanding that you do.
HOWEVER, I think the questioning of your motives and techniques comes about due to the methods and timing used to share your knowledge. You share info, but it is almost always in the process of discrediting something. When that is all the forum reader sees, they begin to wonder. So many questions float around here that go unanswered (I'm not saying it's your job to answer them) and I know for a fact the answer is right there in your brain. A positive, friendly contribution to the forums in addition to your 'Consumer Reports" would go a long way.
:clap2: well put! :goodpost:
 
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does anyone know the half life (or have a reasonable guess) for adrenosterone?
 
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not likely to bring it in bulk when they probally make a killing off it in a bottle..... and people WILL buy it cause its the best deal for the copound out right now.... still doesnt mean i wouldnt mind seeing it brought to the table as well.
 
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well poo, I could have waited a couple days and ordered it here, now I feel bad
 

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well poo, I could have waited a couple days and ordered it here, now I feel bad
I feelthe same easy. My impusive a#@ jumped all over this @ is... i was afraid i might miss a one shot chance to get this clone. Would much rather have given nutra the love.
 

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not likely to bring it in bulk when they probally make a killing off it in a bottle..... and people WILL buy it cause its the best deal for the copound out right now.... still doesnt mean i wouldnt mind seeing it brought to the table as well.
The 3AD clone at NP is the same one that is in question over at IS, which appears to be made by IS...Soooooo...bulk powder could still be an option IMO (materials available).
 
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ah man - this may get out of hand...

mace was right - "WE DON'T CLONE, PEOPLE CLONE US!"

damn
 
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PA,

Your talking of factual science is VERY welcome, requested, and valued on this as well as any forum you frequent. That is a fact everyone will agree with. We all acknowledge very few in the industry have the level of training and understanding that you do.
HOWEVER, I think the questioning of your motives and techniques comes about due to the methods and timing used to share your knowledge. You share info, but it is almost always in the process of discrediting something. When that is all the forum reader sees, they begin to wonder. So many questions float around here that go unanswered (I'm not saying it's your job to answer them) and I know for a fact the answer is right there in your brain. A positive, friendly contribution to the forums in addition to your 'Consumer Reports" would go a long way.

i completely disagree. the majority of my postings on bb.com and other boards have to do with me answering very detailed questions regarding supplements, usually my supplements. Or sometimes regarding other stuff such as chemistry, metabolism etc

the problem here lanbane is that you are only seeing the posts that have something to do with products that YOU are interested in. and these products unfortunately are ones that i am criticizing. so you only see the bad

so before you make blanket statements, take the time to read all my posts
 
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i often do leave it at factual science but then the people that don't like the facts, or for whom the facts cause inconvenience, go nuts and throw insults. YOu neoborn are one of the worst culprits in this regard

so enough of these hypocritical criticisms of me here
 
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Just one more thing and this is to the people that say my motives are purely selfish and financial

I am someone who is in pretty high demand and with a pretty big business. I could be doing alot of crap other than posting on boards. Alot of crap that is gonna put a hell of alot more money in my pocket than manipulating the views of a few dozen readers on a message board. Or crap that is gonna get me laid more even

i post because i love the science and sport of bodybuilding. I love helping people out and getting the respect and thanks in return.

i HATE when i see lies or deceit - especially when it appears that there are hoards of people falling for it. I cannot help myself but intervene. I get angry, and yeah it shows in my posts sometimes. yeah its often inappropriate and sometimes unprofessonal but this is only a reflection of my passion so cut me a little slack jack
 
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Just one more thing and this is to the people that say my motives are purely selfish and financial

I am someone who is in pretty high demand and with a pretty big business. I could be doing alot of crap other than posting on boards. Alot of crap that is gonna put a hell of alot more money in my pocket than manipulating the views of a few dozen readers on a message board. Or crap that is gonna get me laid more even

i post because i love the science and sport of bodybuilding. I love helping people out and getting the respect and thanks in return.

i HATE when i see lies or deceit - especially when it appears that there are hoards of people falling for it. I cannot help myself but intervene. I get angry, and yeah it shows in my posts sometimes. yeah its often inappropriate and sometimes unprofessonal but this is only a reflection of my passion so cut me a little slack jack


Maybe not purely.I dont doubt your passion and im sure nobody else does but it is obvious that when you feel your "pretty big business" is being tested by the likes of other brilliant people in the field such as DR. D. , you take to your belittleing of there products. Its obvious! Your a business man and anyone who knows anything about business wouldnt hate on you for that if you werent always trying to play like your everyones best friend.
 
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not likely to bring it in bulk when they probally make a killing off it in a bottle..... and people WILL buy it cause its the best deal for the copound out right now.... still doesnt mean i wouldnt mind seeing it brought to the table as well.
All these guys talking bulk and selling clones better pray my patent doesn't get approved, or else I'll own them all one day for not bothering to consult me first. Not cool. Hats off to CN who did the right thing without legal action needed.
 
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All these guys talking bulk and selling clones better pray my patent doesn't get approved, or else I'll own them all one day for not bothering to consult me first. Not cool. Hats off to CN who did the right thing without legal action needed.
i certainly feel ya there, at least with 3-AD wed have a chance to run a full cycle at an anabolic dose for cheaper then the cost of anything else out now... whats the average length of time that it takes for a patent to be fully processed and approved?

and i still dont see how everyone else can freely sell this compound without being stopped by the FDA as AX is having to deal with now.... do they not know this compound is being freely distrbuted right now?
 
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i often do leave it at factual science but then the people that don't like the facts, or for whom the facts cause inconvenience, go nuts and throw insults. YOu neoborn are one of the worst culprits in this regard

so enough of these hypocritical criticisms of me here
1. I love it when you leave it factual and show people like me, who understand very little about chemistry, something that they can actually understand for that I applaud you :clap: - 9/10

2. I don't mind you causing anyone / any company inconvenience if you have A) a legitimate claim B) you have some kind of proof C) it's not gonna be a trollfest D) you can bring some kind of solution to the problem and / or closure to the problem. - 10/10

3. You start A) Bashing particular companies over and over B) You release products just before others claiming that yours is awesome blah blah and price it for double the price, tell me who's leading who astray? C) Be very specific in what you do and don't answer. D) Run around like the troll king with your BB.com posse / henchmen not far behind - 1/10

4. Be polite, answer regular user questions and be generally helpful - Priceless

I must be honest, I have insulted you in the past because as much as some companies frustrate you and how sheepish the people are, I see them following you blindly too without seeing the truth of what you really are up to. We have talked about this many times and I am sure we both understand each other. If I have upset your or hurt your feelings I apologize, sincerely :(

Anytime you want to come here to my home and talk science without going out of your way to harass the same companies which make decent products ( albeit that you choose not too ) and do what they do, come here and help people, you sir are truly and 110% like anyone else more than welcome.

We love you PA, perhaps work on your delivery


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So getting back on topic, any results so far on the clone? I will wait for the AX version because I feel Hypedaddy really got the shaft on this whole saga. If you don't support the people who bring this stuff to market, then you remove their reward for innovation. Then you end up with companies like muscletech that have great marketing, and no substance.

On a seperate note, say what you want about PA (I could care less) but he did bring us 1AD.
 
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Just one more thing and this is to the people that say my motives are purely selfish and financial

I am someone who is in pretty high demand and with a pretty big business. I could be doing alot of crap other than posting on boards. Alot of crap that is gonna put a hell of alot more money in my pocket than manipulating the views of a few dozen readers on a message board. Or crap that is gonna get me laid more even

i post because i love the science and sport of bodybuilding. I love helping people out and getting the respect and thanks in return.

i HATE when i see lies or deceit - especially when it appears that there are hoards of people falling for it. I cannot help myself but intervene. I get angry, and yeah it shows in my posts sometimes. yeah its often inappropriate and sometimes unprofessonal but this is only a reflection of my passion so cut me a little slack jack


It's obvious we see things differently, and yeah.... maybe I haven't scoured through all your posts to see the help you have offered. I will admit that. And you are correct, the majority of posts I have seen by you are not friendly and helpful. I guess I may be unfairly comparing you in my mind to some other members who are respected for their knowledge.... who have gone above and beyond to help people out with questions regarding competitior's products, in a helpful manner. For these comparisons, I apologize.

But your claim of "lies and deceit"? You my friend have obviously not researched AN at all. AN loves the science behind the products every bit as much as you do. It's a different game however..... we're not in a lab making new things. We're trying to keep things natural. While it may seem so much easier, it some ways, it isn't. We research, we produce...... it's all done in AN facilities. This is NOT a marketing company contracting out some products based on what the innovative competitor's such as yourself have produced.

A man in such a high position as yourself in the industry, who supposedly has it's best interests in mind, should take a different approach when playing Watchdog. AN is one of few companies that I honestly believe you would respect if you took the time to find out more. Maybe you do disagree with some of our marketing..... but to automatically assume it to be lies and deceit is just wrong. You've stated your case, and it is considered valued input by the folks at AN. To have done it so rudely and publicly is why you are questioned. Yeah, there are companies who have to be called out in such a manner, because they are intentionally and deliberatly lying to consumers. We believe we have a valid point, and are willing to stand behind it, until it is explained otherwise.

Supposedly you're here to help......... take the time to help the little companies that are trying their hardest to make an honest, respectable living. Supplement users don't want to exist on Ergo products alone.......
 
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the shaft - hahaha!!!

anywho - about the "clone" - had to send mine back (caps busted open) and should get a new bottle mon/tue
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like the smaller companies are the ones that get $hithammered the most? I wonder why no one goes after more of these so called "reputable" companies that pull the same b.s. but seem to get away with it. Yea, I know a lot of you have seen my Blog over at bb in which I expose the sleezy tactics of a larger company with documented proof, but that is only one example. So, why do you think it is that the smaller companies always seem to take the brunt of it all?
 
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hmmmm... companies like "Comp. Edge Labs - Fast Action - XPN - ETC" seem like small companies that put out clones that are "banned" and get away with it...

not sure i follow you viper
 
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hmmmm... companies like "Comp. Edge Labs - Fast Action - XPN - ETC" seem like small companies that put out clones that are "banned" and get away with it...

not sure i follow you viper
Let's just call it general "shadiness" in an overall manner. Lord knows this industry is full of it, and I learn more and more each day. This industry is small, the who's who in this industry is even smaller. Many of the who's who list has worked for multiple companies, and you get to learn a lot.
 
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Maybe not purely.I dont doubt your passion and im sure nobody else does but it is obvious that when you feel your "pretty big business" is being tested by the likes of other brilliant people in the field such as DR. D. , you take to your belittleing of there products. Its obvious! Your a business man and anyone who knows anything about business wouldnt hate on you for that if you werent always trying to play like your everyones best friend.
i am not a businessman really. my business partner handles that stuff. frankly i spend most of my time thinking about science and not money. so your character analysis of me is false

if my motivation were to go after products which "tested" mine then i would be going after a whole lot others. alot of brilliant guys in this industry that i am allies with, not adversaries. Caleb Stone for instance came on in the early 2000s as a competitor with a product that hurt my 1-AD sales. Did i attack him? No because he handled himself well and was not a BS'er. So i befriended him. we have a mutual respect

Dr. D in my opinion is a fake. I can see through him. You cannot and i feel sorry for you.
 
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All these guys talking bulk and selling clones better pray my patent doesn't get approved, or else I'll own them all one day for not bothering to consult me first. Not cool. Hats off to CN who did the right thing without legal action needed.
what right do you have to take a very well known compound - one for which I had a provisional patent application for back in 2003, and which was debated by Bruce Kneller and me in bb.com that same year - and claim you are the inventor of it?

i am sorry but this is wholly ridiculous and i strongly suggest anyone reading this to ignore your empty threats
 
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hmmm... valid point:think:

what right do you have to take a very well known compound - one for which I had a provisional patent application for back in 2003, and which was debated by Bruce Kneller and me in bb.com that same year - and claim you are the inventor of it?

i am sorry but this is wholly ridiculous and i strongly suggest anyone reading this to ignore your empty threats
 
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1D) Run around like the troll king with your BB.com posse / henchmen not far behind - 1/10

my supporters on the boards include some of the most intelligent and accomplished individuals out there. they are not the type of people to mindlessly follow and ass kiss. i think most people recognize this and that it gives me a high degree of legitimacy
 
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It's obvious we see things differently, and yeah.... maybe I haven't scoured through all your posts to see the help you have offered. I will admit that. And you are correct, the majority of posts I have seen by you are not friendly and helpful. I guess I may be unfairly comparing you in my mind to some other members who are respected for their knowledge.... who have gone above and beyond to help people out with questions regarding competitior's products, in a helpful manner. For these comparisons, I apologize.

But your claim of "lies and deceit"? You my friend have obviously not researched AN at all. AN loves the science behind the products every bit as much as you do. It's a different game however..... we're not in a lab making new things. We're trying to keep things natural. While it may seem so much easier, it some ways, it isn't. We research, we produce...... it's all done in AN facilities. This is NOT a marketing company contracting out some products based on what the innovative competitor's such as yourself have produced.

A man in such a high position as yourself in the industry, who supposedly has it's best interests in mind, should take a different approach when playing Watchdog. AN is one of few companies that I honestly believe you would respect if you took the time to find out more. Maybe you do disagree with some of our marketing..... but to automatically assume it to be lies and deceit is just wrong. You've stated your case, and it is considered valued input by the folks at AN. To have done it so rudely and publicly is why you are questioned. Yeah, there are companies who have to be called out in such a manner, because they are intentionally and deliberatly lying to consumers. We believe we have a valid point, and are willing to stand behind it, until it is explained otherwise.

Supposedly you're here to help......... take the time to help the little companies that are trying their hardest to make an honest, respectable living. Supplement users don't want to exist on Ergo products alone.......
wrong thread buddy. this is not the AN thread and i was not necessarily talking about AN here. I did not like the advertising you used for RPM and i addressed it and that thread is resolved so let it be
 
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Is it just me or does it seem like the smaller companies are the ones that get $hithammered the most? I wonder why no one goes after more of these so called "reputable" companies that pull the same b.s. but seem to get away with it. Yea, I know a lot of you have seen my Blog over at bb in which I expose the sleezy tactics of a larger company with documented proof, but that is only one example. So, why do you think it is that the smaller companies always seem to take the brunt of it all?

for obvious reasons, they are the ones with the large presence on the boards

next question please
 
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I've never posted on these matters but I feel that I can chime in here and say that:

1. PA seems sincere to me, which doesn't mean that I think his products are the best or better than anyone else's, but I believe that he is sincere about his love of science and chemistry.

2. Dr. D comes off as a little bit too much like a guy in the industry trying desperately to stake claim to some sort of territory, create a following, and hypes things unnecessarily.

As always, if you have to constantly defend a product, then it probably has issues. However, Epistane is a great compound, but who invented that? It's been around for a long ass time, that compound...

Anyway....I'm rambling now but that's my 2¢.
 

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