I have also been known to take PWOs when not working out from time to time :bigeyes2:lol..none taken brother, PWO addict crew!
Were you able to experience the legendary DS Craze?
I have also been known to take PWOs when not working out from time to time :bigeyes2:lol..none taken brother, PWO addict crew!
For you...I suppose we can make one exception. Don't be expecting it every time though..I switch from pre's to coffee. Does coffee count? lol
nope Only heard of its gnarlyness..do have a couple unopened tubs of jack3d...that im saving like a fine wineI have also been known to take PWOs when not working out from time to time :bigeyes2:
Were you able to experience the legendary DS Craze?
No...that is one that I never triednope Only heard of its gnarlyness..do have a couple unopened tubs of jack3d...that im saving like a fine wine
live in the states? When the time comes i'll send ya a few servings, taking alittle stim pwo break while i run a cycle..I have a feeling jack3d is going to be my first scoop back.No...that is one that I never tried
gonna be like that huh?For you...I suppose we can make one exception. Don't be expecting it every time though..
With all due respect..:squareeyed:gonna be like that huh?
he didn't say dose 20mg at once. for a 200lb man, 18mg is a normal dose split up throughout the day.^^ Dose up to 20mg of Yohimbine
Are you trying to give people a heart attack?
he never referenced weight of the individual in the article. Nor does it say to drink your pre-workout throughout the day. Most people do not know how to dose Y, or know more about Y will just drink it all at once as the article states:he didn't say dose 20mg at once. for a 200lb man, 18mg is a normal dose split up throughout the day.
just stop. he clearly indicated two type of pre workouts, the dosing and when to use them. if you want to sit there is try to nitpick and play semantics then i will gladly do that with every statement you make and it won't be pretty. just stop. his point is correct. most pre workouts are under dosed, pre made package by a manufacturer to maximize profits and not effect. you have very few companies like OL that actually try to pack the ingredients in there. his point is valid, stop with the drama bs that he is giving anyone a heart attack. he listed the doses as per the ingredient not to mention you can't get 20mg of yohimbine stacking two pre workout let alone four or five.he never referenced weight of the individual in the article. Nor does it say to drink your pre-workout throughout the day. Most people who do not know how to dose Y, or know more about Y will just drink it all at once as the article states:
"why it makes sense to take your “preworkout” one hour prior to exercise"
That pre-workout including:
"Yohimbine HCL – this stimulant is not a strong neuro-stimulant but it does have a good fat burning effect. Yohimbine does stack nicely with caffeine because it seems to have similar pharmokinetics – Dose is 1-20mg."
In the industry you can't take for granted people are educated on supplements and ingredients. 90% of the people buy a prodcut based off taste, not what the ingredient profile is.
Go ask 10 people at your gym what Yohimbine is and what it does. They will look at you like a deer in headlights. You can't assume someone who reads or takes a product is educated.
I actually love it.For all the trouble people seem to have with it (not all though, I could snort it like Tony Montana), and the MINUSCULE evidence that it actually does anything (the Ostojic study body comp methods were not great) - I'm surprised anyone bothers with Yohimbine.
I still take it too because it's literally pennies (Bulk LM 98%) and I have zero sides up to 40mg. But my scale and tape just never decrease more when using it, compared to just EC - but because it's so cheap (I think caps from Primaforce or SNS would be next cheapest) it's a "why not" - but I always question re-stocking when I get low - but then do hahahahaha.I actually love it.
I am one of the people who hates the sides I get from it at anything over around 3 mg, but there is strong evidence it works, probably stronger than 90% of what's out there. I do like Rauwolscine and can take that in big doses for some reason...I still take it too because it's literally pennies (Bulk LM 98%) and I have zero sides up to 40mg. But my scale and tape just never decrease more when using it, compared to just EC - but because it's so cheap (I think caps from Primaforce or SNS would be next cheapest) it's a "why not" - but I always question re-stocking when I get low - but then do hahahahaha.
I can't handle any form of Y; HCl, alpha, rauwolscine, anything. Half dose of BloodShr3d RAW gives me cold sweats and shakes. If I take IGNIT3 I have to spread the 5-cap dose over the entire day. If I take more than 1 cap at a time I get the sides.I am one of the people who hates the sides I get from it at anything over around 3 mg, but there is strong evidence it works, probably stronger than 90% of what's out there. I do like Rauwolscine and can take that in big doses for some reason...
I get more effects at lower bf% than E and I actually "feel" better on it.I still take it too because it's literally pennies (Bulk LM 98%) and I have zero sides up to 40mg. But my scale and tape just never decrease more when using it, compared to just EC - but because it's so cheap (I think caps from Primaforce or SNS would be next cheapest) it's a "why not" - but I always question re-stocking when I get low - but then do hahahahaha.
It has a similar neurological effect as the antidepressant mirtazapine (mirtazapine has other effects also). Y antagonizes alpha-2 receptors which causes an increased release of Norepinephrine and to a smaller extent serotonin in the brain regions responsible for mood and attention regulation. More accurately it stops the feedback loop that lowers NE, kinda disinhibiting it...many people get anxiety from this. However, there are some that don’t get the anxiety but instead an antidepressant-like effect. Not a true effect as if you were depressed but can deff leads to a better mood and better energy, it’s peripheral effects aside. They have some newer meds that are in the class of combined NE-5HT reubtske bloxking thst have much higher effects on NE. In the past they though serotonin should match NE release if not be higher, but now there is evidence that some people only respond to the NE aspect. It can also be useful in cases of fibromyalgia and nerve pain in general.I get more effects at lower bf% than E and I actually "feel" better on it.
Just shows everyone is different. I use 15mg per day.
Same here. I think people are mistaken bc I HAVE noticed some water retention when using it at those doses. 4-5 days later seems to be noticeably leanerI get more effects at lower bf% than E and I actually "feel" better on it.
Just shows everyone is different. I use 15mg per day.
Same here. I think people are mistaken bc I HAVE noticed some water retention when using it at those doses. 4-5 days later seems to be noticeably leanerI get more effects at lower bf% than E and I actually "feel" better on it.
Just shows everyone is different. I use 15mg per day.
I knowIt has a similar neurological effect as the antidepressant mirtazapine (mirtazapine has other effects also). Y antagonizes alpha-2 receptors which causes an increased release of Norepinephrine and to a smaller extent serotonin in the brain regions responsible for mood and attention regulation. More accurately it stops the feedback loop that lowers NE, kinda disinhibiting it...many people get anxiety from this. However, there are some that don’t get the anxiety but instead an antidepressant-like effect. Not a true effect as if you were depressed but can deff leads to a better mood and better energy, it’s peripheral effects aside. They have some newer meds that are in the class of combined NE-5HT reubtske bloxking thst have much higher effects on NE. In the past they though serotonin should match NE release if not be higher, but now there is evidence that some people only respond to the NE aspect. It can also be useful in cases of fibromyalgia and nerve pain in general.
Its a great point. If I want to wake up earlier cutting stimulates seems to help me go to bed a bit earlier, extra sleep and or getting up earlier.I haven't used an actual pre workout in a while.. Stimulants seem to cause too much anxiety and sleep issues now.
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