To Cycle or Not to Cycle...that is the question?

[lboston]

I'm 27 years old and considering my first cycle of an h-drol clone....helladrol. Thing is, I only have a little over 2/3 a liver due to liver cancer I had as an infant and no gallbladder.

I've been in clean health--no issues--since then and my liver functions fine. My liver enzymes always seem on the high end though, but docs feel its just due to missing a lobe more than likely.

Do you think I could still run a safe cycle if I dose responsibly and use cycle support supps?

I'm really interested in getting some feedback on this as I do feel like I'm beginning to stall out on natural gains...I'm 5'6 and 193lbs...but its not worth it to me to jeopardize my health.

I plan on running a relatively moderate dose of h-drol at 50/50/75/75/75 with cycle assist dosed as reced on the bottle. Taurine will be used as needs to
combat any back pumps that should arise.

I will preload two weeks with hawthorn berry and milk thistle dosed as reced on container, unless I should do otherwise?

I'm on TrT with 100mgs test C a week, so no real need for PCT. I do have Clomid on hand from TrT therapy before the injections. If anything, I may use some erase after the cycle. Unless anyone has other suggestions.

I'd appreciate any feedback given.

 

[BaDgErFaN]

I dont know man... Im no doctor but I wouldnt run a methylated cycle if I were you, especially if you have high liver values to begin with. Just not worth the risk in my opinion.

 

[FubarFit]

I dont know man... Im no doctor but I wouldnt run a methylated cycle if I were you, especially if you have high liver values to begin with. Just not worth the risk in my opinion.

Exactly what he said it isn't worth it. There are plenty of ph's out there not methylated check out AMS or the Andro series all good.

 

[jbryand101b]

I'm 27 years old and considering my first cycle of an h-drol clone....helladrol. Thing is, I only have a little over 2/3 a liver due to liver cancer I had as an infant and no gallbladder.

I've been in clean health--no issues--since then and my liver functions fine. My liver enzymes always seem on the high end though, but docs feel its just due to missing a lobe more than likely.

Do you think I could still run a safe cycle if I dose responsibly and use cycle support supps?

I'm really interested in getting some feedback on this as I do feel like I'm beginning to stall out on natural gains...I'm 5'6 and 193lbs...but its not worth it to me to jeopardize my health.

I plan on running a relatively moderate dose of h-drol at 50/50/75/75/75 with cycle assist dosed as reced on the bottle. Taurine will be used as needs to
combat any back pumps that should arise.

I will preload two weeks with hawthorn berry and milk thistle dosed as reced on container, unless I should do otherwise?

I'm on TrT with 100mgs test C a week, so no real need for PCT. I do have Clomid on hand from TrT therapy before the injections. If anything, I may use some erase after the cycle. Unless anyone has other suggestions.

I'd appreciate any feedback given.

R u serious? Of course its a bad idea.

 

[lboston]

Exactly what he said it isn't worth it. There are plenty of ph's out there not methylated check out AMS or the Andro series all good.

Thanks man, have any advice in regards to specific compounds? Andro series is a bit rich for my blood...

 

[Jonbero]

Test is best.

 

[lboston]

i also agree with fubarfit. is pinning also an option?

It would be. I was just interested in a PH due to the ease of availability

 

[Celorza]

Its a bad idea to begin with , due to liver damage already existent. But if you insist, there are many PH's that are non-methylated and easier to be absorbed throw liquid or dissolution methods like the AMS stuff. I wouldn't go as far as the Andro serious , since it is still pills and they have to go through your liver anyway, and you can not afford the risk can you?. If not , look into injectables , it would be wise anyway to steer clear of any methylated compound, for no matter how much cycle support and liver detox you use during and after cycle, a 2/3s liver is in no position to be put in a soft spot like that .

There's also the liquid stuff from Taurus nutrition which looks pretty solid and good...get them before they shut it down .

 

[jbryand101b]

Test is best.

If test was best, chemist wouldn't of needed to come up with other modified versions of the 3 primary androgens.

 

[Celorza]

If test was best, chemist wouldn't of needed to come up with other modified versions of the 3 primary androgens.

Forgive the noobness , still learning here...Which are the three primary androgens? (Real curious about it...trying to learn more about this stuff before i turn 30 so i might try it out then haha)

 

[lboston]

If test was best, chemist wouldn't of needed to come up with other modified versions of the 3 primary androgens.

Jbry--you are very knowledgable in this. Do you have any recommendations as alternatives?

 

[fueledpassion]

If test was best, chemist wouldn't of needed to come up with other modified versions of the 3 primary androgens.

Well, Test + hardcore training + good genetics is best. Really, I think test would get most of us where we're trying to go and in the healthiest fashion if only we were patient, not expecting Tren-like results in short periods of time. Actually...

Test + GH is best lol.

 

[Jonbero]

Well, Test + hardcore training + good genetics is best. Really, I think test would get most of us where we're trying to go and in the healthiest fashion if only we were patient, not expecting Tren-like results in short periods of time. Actually...

Test + GH is best lol.

This.

Test might not give you freaky gains in a short period time but its the ''healthiest''. If I was OP and I had to try something out I'd go with Test Suspension ED.

 

[lboston]

This.

Test might not give you freaky gains in a short period time but its the ''healthiest''. If I was OP and I had to try something out I'd go with Test Suspension ED.

Thanks for the feedback my friend--and all else who has chimed in. I do appreciate it.

Does anyone know how much more toxic these compounds are compared to something like Clomid? I was on that or a tad over 6 weeks.

Being a cancer survivor, my health is my #1 priority. Just looking at something to keep me gaining and growing. Been lifting 10 or so years now--consistently--and starting to stall out.

 

[superbeast668]

as far as ph's.. trenazone and katana are both not methylated correct? just food for thought. i'd pin if i could get access though.

 

[fireworkz788]

Just pin

 

[jbryand101b]

3 primary androgens are testosterone, dht, and nor testosterone. all modified androgens will be versions of these.

(example, trenbolone is a derivative of nor testosterone, anavar is a derivative of dht, boldenone is a derivative of testosterone)

because of the flaws in testosterone, this drove chemist to modify the androgen to remove unwanted negative properties, such as androgenicty, aromatization.

test is basic, and simple. you cant go wrong with it. you can use too much, and this just like any other over usage of androgens, will cause problems and increase unwanted side effects.

test goes with anything.

op is on test c, so he's got a test base. depending on his goals, he should look at either 1-dhea, delta-2, stanodrol, trenavar, trenazone, furaza-a, pstanz.

 

[lboston]

3 primary androgens are testosterone, dht, and nor testosterone. all modified androgens will be versions of these.

(example, trenbolone is a derivative of nor testosterone, anavar is a derivative of dht, boldenone is a derivative of testosterone)

because of the flaws in testosterone, this drove chemist to modify the androgen to remove unwanted negative properties, such as androgenicty, aromatization.

test is basic, and simple. you cant go wrong with it. you can use too much, and this just like any other over usage of androgens, will cause problems and increase unwanted side effects.

test goes with anything.

op is on test c, so he's got a test base. depending on his goals, he should look at either 1-dhea, delta-2, stanodrol, trenavar, trenazone, furaza-a, pstanz.

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

Goal is strictly lean muscle gains

 

[lboston]

UPDATE...called my gastro doctor today--who specializes in liver related things--and told the nurse to ask him about taking methylated prohormones given my medical history. She said the doc said it should be fine and made me an apt in July to follow up and get labs drawn.

What do you guys think? Docs have always said I have no restrictions, just a smaller liver. It ices me comfort coming from a doc, then again, he's probably never used h-drol!

 

[superbeast668]

UPDATE...called my gastro doctor today--who specializes in liver related things--and told the nurse to ask him about taking methylated prohormones given my medical history. She said the doc said it should be fine and made me an apt in July to follow up and get labs drawn.

What do you guys think? Docs have always said I have no restrictions, just a smaller liver. It ices me comfort coming from a doc, then again, he's probably never used h-drol!

Hdrol shouldnt effect you too much anyway. Do it up!

 

[Celorza]

H-drol will treat yah nice , just remember to use liver and cycle assist and keep it during cycle!! You are set then :3!!

 

[superbeast668]

H-drol will treat yah nice , just remember to use liver and cycle assist and keep it during cycle!! You are set then :3!!

Definate on the cycle assist, its more than liver protection. Helps keep everything in check.

 

[T-Bone]

Trenazone isn't methylated, but just because something isn't methylated doesn't make it liver safe. I took trenazone and got blood work and my ALT and AST were both high. ALT was 122 with a range of 0-70 and AST was 79 with a range of 0-40. Not to mention Low HDL and high LDL. I would definitely not be taking trenazone if I were you. Cycle support products are mostly a joke in my opinion. If you react poorly to a certain product and your liver values go sky high, no amount of "liver support" is going to help you.

 

[lboston]

Trenazone isn't methylated, but just because something isn't methylated doesn't make it liver safe. I took trenazone and got blood work and my ALT and AST were both high. ALT was 122 with a range of 0-70 and AST was 79 with a range of 0-40. Not to mention Low HDL and high LDL. I would definitely not be taking trenazone if I were you. Cycle support products are mostly a joke in my opinion. If you react poorly to a certain product and your liver values go sky high, no amount of "liver support" is going to help you.

Thanks for the feedback. You ever run h-drol? Also we're you using the support supps when you were on?

 

[T-Bone]

Thanks for the feedback. You ever run h-drol? Also we're you using the support supps when you were on?

Yes I was running support supps. No I have never run h-drol.

 

[jpg0923]

Not trying to be rude, but posting on multiple forums looking for some random person to give you the greenlight to justify doing this may work, but the people saying you shouldn't will always outnumber that person 99:1. I'll suggest what I suggested on another forum which is injectables or SARMs.

Edit: Just saw you had a GI say it's okay.. Isn't that a stomach doctor?

 

[T-Bone]

Not trying to be rude, but posting on multiple forums looking for some random person to give you the greenlight to justify doing this may work, but the people saying you shouldn't will always outnumber that person 99:1. I'll suggest what I suggested on another forum which is injectables or SARMs.

Edit: Just saw you had a GI say it's okay.. Isn't that a stomach doctor?

Gi is a gastroenterologist. The liver is part of the digestive system. I'm not sure the doctor actually has his best interests in mind here though. Most doctors know little to nothing about designer legal steroids. When he asked about pro-hormones the doctor was probably thinking dhea.

 

[fueledpassion]

Trenazone isn't methylated, but just because something isn't methylated doesn't make it liver safe. I took trenazone and got blood work and my ALT and AST were both high. ALT was 122 with a range of 0-70 and AST was 79 with a range of 0-40. Not to mention Low HDL and high LDL. I would definitely not be taking trenazone if I were you. Cycle support products are mostly a joke in my opinion. If you react poorly to a certain product and your liver values go sky high, no amount of "liver support" is going to help you.

Cept UDCA. I've got bloods to prove it.

3 beers the night before my second blood test was more detrimental to my liver values than M-Drol, H-Drol and Trenazone bridged over 7 weeks, shown in the first blood tests which were taken immediately after ceasing Trenazone/H-drol.

 

[fueledpassion]

I even took the liberty of finding that old post of mine and bringing it back from the dead for ya:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/185678-discussion-blood-results.html

I only ran 250mg/day for 5 weeks straight of UDCA on that cycle. Since then, I have decided that 500mg/day is best. Start it the day of taking orals and running it one week after you've stopped orals.

And as a side point, the Trip I used could have been way more successful had I actually reconstituted and administered properly. Mine was severely reduced in efficacy since I let it sit in the fridge reconstituted for 6 weeks, lol.

 

[lboston]

I even took the liberty of finding that old post of mine and bringing it back from the dead for ya:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/185678-discussion-blood-results.html

I only ran 250mg/day for 5 weeks straight of UDCA on that cycle. Since then, I have decided that 500mg/day is best. Start it the day of taking orals and running it one week after you've stopped orals.

And as a side point, the Trip I used could have been way more successful had I actually reconstituted and administered properly. Mine was severely reduced in efficacy since I let it sit in the fridge reconstituted for 6 weeks, lol.

Thanks for the information. I'll give this a read, no doubt.