Would it be a step in the same direction?
Would it be a step in the same direction?
I think the whole idea with pulsing is to give your endocrine systeml, liver, kidneys, cardio system etc time to recover back to normal before dosing again, like once every three days at most frequent from what I make of this thread. It also depends on the compound, but even if it the compound only had a 3 hour half life, 21 hours is no way long enough for your body to recover, look at something like deca - research has shown just a measely 100mg dose will shut you down completely and deca has a 3 week half life but it takes 4 weeks for your endocrine system to recover (that = 1 extra week).Would it be a step in the same direction?
I read a guide on dosing steroids which was packaged in the steroid box. It said that the smallest dose of steroids could suppress your hpta to the point where u are actually building less muscle than without steroids. In which case u would use a higher dose to build muscle, and it would seem a steady supply of androgens would have more benefit than a single dose EOD pulse. For a pulse, according to information in the pharmaceutical company's packet, you are going to be in a detrimental state on your off days. This is due to administration of androgens. U yourself said even a 3 hour half-life roid needs more than a day to recover. So why pulse? If u can't recover in a day or two then there isn't any benefit to the hpta.I think the whole idea with pulsing is to give your endocrine systeml, liver, kidneys, cardio system etc time to recover back to normal before dosing again, like once every three days at most frequent from what I make of this thread. It also depends on the compound, but even if it the compound only had a 3 hour half life, 21 hours is no way long enough for your body to recover, look at something like deca - research has shown just a measely 100mg dose will shut you down completely and deca has a 3 week half life but it takes 4 weeks for your endocrine system to recover (that = 1 extra week).
You cant just assume that anything is pulsing, you have to take time to understand what its all about before calling anything pulsing. What youve suggested isnt even a step in the same direction.
1. youre contradicting the reaserch findings of a Doctor dude.I read a guide on dosing steroids which was packaged in the steroid box. It said that the smallest dose of steroids could suppress your hpta to the point where u are actually building less muscle than without steroids. In which case u would use a higher dose to build muscle, and it would seem a steady supply of androgens would have more benefit than a single dose EOD pulse. For a pulse, according to information in the pharmaceutical company's packet, you are going to be in a detrimental state on your off days. This is due to administration of androgens. U yourself said even a 3 hour half-life roid needs more than a day to recover. So why pulse? If u can't recover in a day or two then there isn't any benefit to the hpta.
So dosing too little or infrequently can put u in a worse state than without gear. You need steady hormones to reap the full benefits of a compound. Why tease your hpta with recovery just to take another measly dose EOD?? Seriously, the hpta needs a full pct WITHOUT androgens. Pulsing is nothing but a cycle combined with pct. Both are halfassed and neither will provide outstanding results.
Isn't tren ace an injectable? Oral tren is methyltrienolone Thought this thread was about orals. Please stick to the topic.Tren-ace and Test-ace 3x/w is looking rather tasty for a decent 20wk cycle lads. Each compound will be active for 2/3 days. Together with 250iu HCG the day before each dosing day, with clomid and aromasin. sweet.
That would rank up to £2458. I better start saving...
Well its still pulsing, pulsing injectables would work the same way, its not rocket science mofo.Isn't tren ace an injectable? Oral tren is methyltrienolone Thought this thread was about orals. Please stick to the topic.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:Well its still pulsing, pulsing injectables would work the same way, its not rocket science mofo.
well put :You_Rock_Emoticon:Easy fellas easy. Pulsing is at a high dose with breaks in between....
Not really true. Get your testosterone levels checked by a blood draw first thing in the morning on waking, then another right before bed the same day. You'll see your levels are significantly lower in the evening test. Even your natural levels vary rather than be steady state.You need steady hormones to reap the full benefits of a compound.
Well if it is not rocket science then you should know that pulsing injects are not what this thread is about, and it isn't the same thing anyways. You need something with a hourly half life not days. Don't act like your the know all when you are making a wrong statement.Well its still pulsing, pulsing injectables would work the same way, its not rocket science mofo.
Yeah like Im gona "act" when I didnt know it was a wrong statement. So are you actually qualified to tell me its a wrong statement then? Or are you acting like a know it all too... sigh. Dude, knowbody's trying to act like a know it all here, were all here trying to find things out, share ideas and gain new information. ok.Don't act like your the know all when you are making a wrong statement.
if you want to discuss the merits of injectable pulsing i suggest starting a new thread, PM dr D, or PM the other memebers but its not fair to the others who look to this thread for guidance and see 1 member saying there's no difference between oral and injectable. it doesnt help anyone. you know that some kid will come along and see what you wrote and try it out. not a good idea.Well its still pulsing, pulsing injectables would work the same way, its not rocket science mofo.
i doubt any of the members here have the knowledge that Dr D in terms of endocrinology and pulsing.Yeah like Im gona "act" when I didnt know it was a wrong statement. So are you actually qualified to tell me its a wrong statement then? Or are you acting like a know it all too... sigh. Dude, knowbody's trying to act like a know it all here, were all here trying to find things out, share ideas and gain new information. ok.
IMO it doesnt have to have an hourly half life, why does it have to be out your dody in hours? If its out of your system 24 hours before your next jab its what any genius would call pulsing, IMHO... care to eplain your oppinion in a calm and constructive manner??
Having a half life of days defeats the purpose of doing a pulse. That's why dr d always recommends using something like superdrol or epi, because of the short half life. Doing shots every 3 days is just the same as a straight cycle. That's all I am saying.Yeah like Im gona "act" when I didnt know it was a wrong statement. So are you actually qualified to tell me its a wrong statement then? Or are you acting like a know it all too... sigh. Dude, knowbody's trying to act like a know it all here, were all here trying to find things out, share ideas and gain new information. ok.
IMO it doesnt have to have an hourly half life, why does it have to be out your dody in hours? If its out of your system 24 hours before your next jab its what any genius would call pulsing, IMHO... care to eplain your oppinion in a calm and constructive manner??
I personally think that's ridiculous. Why would you even want to??you could pulse injectables if you happen to be injecting an esterless suspension like TNE, tren susp., winstrol
for someone trying to get over a strength plateau I could see it working out well. just injecting test or tren no ester would give a nice short term boost, with relatively light suppressionI personally think that's ridiculous. Why would you even want to??
Alright different strokes for different folksfor someone trying to get over a strength plateau I could see it working out well. just injecting test or tren no ester would give a nice short term boost, with relatively light suppression
I'm just saying you could.I personally think that's ridiculous. Why would you even want to??
Gotcha..I'm just saying you could.
Pulsing makes more sense with orals because their toxicity is a limiting factor, pulsing allows you to cycle them longer because you're spreading out the toxicity
You should try pulsing your JERK OFFS..p:I like the idea of pulsing anything be it Dbol or tren susp, I LIKE IT!!!!! thx
why is that a personal favourite of yours? :thumbsdown:You should try pulsing your JERK OFFS..p:
Yes because it limits the toxicity of the sperm.:laughing:why is that a personal favourite of yours? :thumbsdown:
Great point bro. Test-Suspension would be idea for an injectable pulse cycle. 100 mgs. pre-workout 3 times per week. :yup:you could pulse injectables if you happen to be injecting an esterless suspension like TNE, tren susp., winstrol
ask the CEL reps what the half life is (assuming its known)Can Tren be pulsed? Oral tren, I know its a non meth but it works dam quick....?
Also wondering about CEL's Alpha One??
no idea what that split is, but if you want to minimise shutdown, adapt it to Dr D's plan on page 1.What days should I pulse epi using Layne Norton's Power / Hypertrophy Split?
It's:no idea what that split is, but if you want to minimise shutdown, adapt it to Dr D's plan on page 1.
Just lower carbs on off days. Don't be afraid to go above 30 mgs on the later weeks.Dr. D,
During a 3x/wk pulse how does one handle diet during off-days vs on-days?
Does one keep the proteins & calories on off-days at the same level as on-days?
I know you had said/wrote:
"Having a quality, high carb/calorie post work out meal (or shake) is important to proper recovery, and ingesting sufficient protein especially on the off days doesn't hurt either. "
But I just lost 46lbs over the past six months and do not want to pack back on fat, so I was concerned about consuming high amounts of calories on off days.
3x/wk pulse Sat, Tues, Thurs:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10mg,20mg,30mg)
2 30mg
3 30mg
4 30mg
5 30mg
6 30mg
7 30mg
8 30mg
Taking 20mg before workout & 10 mg after workout
I wish I had read your {How to "pulse" orals} & {Unreal's Guide to Superdrol} prior to making purchases. (On page 9 now, still have lots more to read)
Purchased enough H-DROL and supporting supplements for 5 cycles. (During the purchases I also bought 3 bottles M-DROL)
After reading your {How to "pulse" orals}, this seems like the way to go. Purchased all kinds of stuff$$$ that was not necessary.
I guess I can do Full H-DROL Cycles with supporting supplements for cutting Cycles and the M-DROL pulse Cycles for bulking.
Purchased:
{5 Cycles H-DROL, Cycle Assist, PCT Assist & Tamoxifen(Nolvadex)} & 3 bottles M-DROL.
CEL H Drol (8 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
CEL Cycle Assist (5 bottles)
CEL PCT Assist (4 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION Halotest-25(2 bottles)
POWERLAB NUTRITION PCT Assist (1 bottles)
Tamoxifen(Nolvadex 20 mg)(Total Count: 120 pills x 20 mg)
Anabolics mainly produce power, so power days you want to be loading up on "whatever" during the day well before your workout.It's:
saturday: upper power
sunday: lower power
monday: off
tuesday: hypertrophy chest/arms
wednesday: hypertrophy shoulders/back
thursday: hypertrophy legs/calves
friday: off
If I split it up, something like how I wrote it below, how would I choose which day to pulse?Sweet split!!! But its a sweet split mostly because its simple, thats always a winner, but it can be better mixed up a bit by spliting you power days (upper versus lower) up, Ill explain later.
Anabolics mainly produce power, so power days you want to be loading up on "whatever" during the day well before your workout.
Thats a sweet split, but very advanced... If power is what you want you basically need to tell your muscles that even what youre doing to your muscles on the hypertrophy days / workouts is intended to add to your power. But Im not talking about changing your workout principals on hypertrophy days. After youve convinced your muscles to adapt on hypertrophy days you need to tell your body that the way YOU want IT to adapt is to produce power - later on in the week as soon as possible, or as soon as theyve recovered.
So you need to think / see / plan your week looking at it from the point of view that it starts on hypertrophy days... and later on during the week ( as soon as possible ) youre gona follow it up with a power workout. Sounds like it makes sense doesnt it? yes thats because its the way atheletes do IT. So by keeping your shedule as close to the simple way you like it, what you should do is take that rest day out from friday so theres more rest between power and hypertrophy... and less rest between hypertrophy and power workouts.
But then youre faced with the problem that your rest days will probably end up together and your be over taxing your Nevous system by working out 5 days straight. Thats why its better to split your upper and lower power days up as far appart as possible and fit you hypertrophy days in as closely behind them as possible. Its kind of like juggling but it produces more results.
And by spliting it up like that it will be esier to "pulse" (if youre with me?).
One of my best cycles ever was a Super+Phera pulse. But I like to run pulses much longer, and ramp up doses (to overcome any possible tolerance that may build up).I'm thinking about pulsing phera and mdrol. I was thinking 4-5 weeks working up to 30mg phera preworkout and up to 20mg mdrol post workout. Is this a good idea or is liver going to die? I've run both solo before so I know how I react to them, so now I'm just toying with the idea.
It would be 3 times a week doing a traditional powerlifting spilt.
I'll also be running trt through the whole thing so no worries for pct.
Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.
8-10 weeks pulsing SD + PP is excessive IMO. Its not just prolonged shutdown to be concerned with but also how your cholesterol will be after this long.One of my best cycles ever was a Super+Phera pulse. But I like to run pulses much longer, and ramp up doses (to overcome any possible tolerance that may build up).
If I were you, I would run 4-5 weeks @ 10mg Mdrol+20mg Phera, then 4-5 more weeks at your 20+30 dosing.
Depends on how high you plan to dose themwould it be a waste to pulse Epistane & M LMG or ProtoMax & M LMG? or should i stick with just Epistane or ProtoMax?
What would you suggest?Depends on how high you plan to dose them