Gonna pulse - BIG time :-)

[djremix]

so after a great cycle and post cycle therapy, im ready to plan my new cycle.
I am quite torn on weather to run a straight 4 weeker or a pulsed 9 weeker. but im leaning on trying the pulse first.
i could always stop at 2 weeks if i dont like it

heres what im thinking:...

Main thought : i want to keep natural test production up and estrogen semi-low. so some form of NHA will be used.

other thoughts: i really wanna include m-4ohn low dose mornings for its great mood uplifting effects.

got some 4-ad transdermal, but seems everyone recommends using that alongside havoc so ill probably do that.

Main purpose of cycle:
1) lean up a bit
2) add some mass without fat.
3) keep sides to a minimum.(willing to stop if signs of shutdown become apparent.

As i am pleased with my last cycle, id just like to continue the midsection fatloss(starting to see my abs again!) and add a bit of mass and the strength that comes along with it.
So cals will be extremly clean and carbs at minimum i can get away with and very clean. (AP on hand for emergencies ;-) )

The suggested cycle:

utilising a 2 days ON and 2 day OFF training and dosing:-
ill be working out at either 7 or 8pm(cant any other time)
normal dosages for SuperDrol is 20mg, Pheraphlex 20mg

Week 1 to 4:
USP Labs Powerfull morning and night doses only
* start pulse-
Pre workout - superdrol 10mg (going upto 30/40 after assessing effect)
Post Workout - PP 130mg (going upto 30/40 after assessing effect)
add AI cycle support nightly for weeks 3-4

Week 3 to 5:
Stop superdrol and PP
Start USP Labs TNA (more powerfull activate...)
Start low dose nightly rebound xt
stop AI cycle support

Week 6 to 9:
Stop Powerfull
Start M-40ohn at 8mg in the morning(maybe bump it to 12mg)
Continue TNA and rebound
* start Pulse:
Pre workout - superdrol 30mg - and increase as assessed before
Post Workout - PP 30mg - and increase as assessed before
Add AX retain with post workout shake on ON days
and morning dose on OFF days(may increase to 2 doses)
Add AI cycle support nightly dose daily

Week 10:

Assess effectivness and side effects/shutdown for possible post cycle therapy or pulse extension (repeat week 1-4)

other consideration:
* i have havoc and trtansdermal 4ad and trasdermal 1-test/4ad and also m-1t. any suggestion to use these instead?
* not too sure what to expect on fatloss(repartitioning) from pulsing, is it same ratio of gains? i.e. 40% of what i expect from a normal cycle?
* anyone recommends rebound reloaded over rxt? especially since its only 25mg before bed?
* is 10mg:10mg sdp too low to start pulsing with?

Any comments are welcome

 

[aquanutz]

I just pulsed Epi for 5 weeks and had just about no shutdown at all.

That seems like quite a pulse, both the SD and PP. I'm curious the shutdown that may occur with you on this.

As for the other supps that you have, I would not use any more. Even though you are pulsing the SD and PP, I wouldn't put anymore strain on my liver, but that's just me.

As for the rebound XT, running that on offdays wouldn't hurt. I overlapped 6oxo during my last two weeks on Epi and all has turned out well.

You running a SERM for your PCT or just an AI? You have any support supps you are loading and taking while on?

 

[djremix]

the serm or AI for PCT will be decided depening on shutdown, and even then if i notice shutdown ill be stopping the pulse short.

Someone suggested a better dosing protocol to asses tolerance and goes something like:

week 1 mg
SD : PP 10:10
week 2-3 mg
SD : PP 20 : 20
week 4
SD : PP 30 : 30

and weeks 7 to 9
start off at 20:20 and see how things go, also taking into consideration effects from week 1 to 4 ;-)

so thats what i will be going for.

however, ive been thinking. im getting my free test results tommowor, and depending on that i may add a mini kickstart cycle pre pulsing. still working on that

and thanks for your concern on methyls and liver toxicity, however, i am quite lucky that even after 6 weeks of SDP last year, my elevated enzymes were quite ok(as in less than double. elevations 5 times start to be considered worrisome)

and my last tests after my 4 week sd and 4 week pct came back even below normal. so i think im doing something right here, at least for my specific body :whip:

 

[DR.D]

SD is too hypo @ 30mg! I would put it behind the w/o (post) and PP in front, but you know how you react better than I do.

SD did make me a mad man in the gym, one of the all time best for endurance no doubt! Experiment, but it looks pretty good so far DJ.

 

[supersoldier]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think M4OHN does much @ only 8mg. Dosed higher it's the most bomb sh1t ever!

 

[djremix]

M-4ohn is great for mood effects at 4-8mg

pretty noticable body-wise at 12 - 20mg /day

im taking it for the mood lift

 

[djremix]

Oh freakin WOW

Ok, NOW i need help

my free test came back. and i dont know what to make of it.

normal range : 31 - 94 pmol/L or 8.8 to 27 pg/ml
mine : 130.2pmol/L or 37.2pg/ml

i knew it looks absolutely AWESOME, especially after a non standard post cycle therapy. full details and blood tests here

my last cycle (SD and PP) pct i ended up with 18.1pg/ml free test only. so this pct seems to have been what....100% better? hmmnnn

so with free test 37% more than normal and estrogen levels at 1/3 of normal ranges.

Are these enough to cut down on retain dosages?(with enough preotein ofcourse)

what should i do now to maximise this?

generally:
1) should i continue rebound xt and activate or similar?
i dont prefer this cause i wanna get off the AI for a while and im running out of activate anyways.
2) is there any concern for such high levels? and negative effects? i didnt wanna spend the extra $$ on total test but now i regret it!

pulse-wise:
3) ok so with these values i assume they will let me get away with a longer period before suppression begins.
is this a correct assumption or is it the opposite? i dont know because i never came across a similar situation....

4) as for my pulse plan, im thinking i have the following options:

A) do a quick 2 week SD cycle to kickstart the pulse above.
B) continue pulse as outlined above
c) switch up the two 4 weekers so i do the 4 weeks with m-4ohn first?

** Dr. D i thought the recommendation was to dose the most androgenic substance pre workout. isnt SD more androgenic than PP?
for me SD was amazingly strength and mass wise. PP on 3 weeks alone took a lot longer to kick in and gave me less strength and size, but my mood was better. does this help?

lastly, an estimation for total test(not sceintific but close enough)
a quote from my old cycle thread:
"** over 100% increase in total test from normal : 3.4 to 7.3!
(and 20,000% increase from last day of cycle.... 0.35 to 7.3)
** over 80% increase in free test from normal : 10.4 to 18.1
(and 170% increase from last day of cycle.... 3.1 to 18.1)"

total test increased at 125% than the increase in free test.
my normal total test was 3.4, so ill estimate total test this time at:
37.2 / 10.4 = 3.577 times increase
so 3.577 * 1.25 = 4.471 times increase in total test from normal. so: total test = 4.471 * 3.4 = 15.2 (normal range 1.95 to 11.38)
reason enough to put a bigger smile on my face or is the math and relative comparisons just not applicable?

Thanks everyone for your help ;-) :drunk:

 

[Cordeen]

bumping for updates

 

[djremix]

bumping for updates

YO!

put this on hold for a while. testing a new secret product for another week. then i have planned an attack 2 week cycle of SD before starting the pulse.

this attack cyce should give me enough of a boost strength wise to get into the pulse fully swinging and asses just how effective its going.