orally active resveratrol.... could IBE do it?

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Seeing as how you guys succeeded with the peptide delivery, perhaps you could find a way to make resveratrol orally "active". By now we all know that resverarol is one of the new kings of anti-aging and probably performance enhancement, but the problem is getting it in without injection. Resveratrol is so damn sensitive that most in typical supplement form is degraded and/or not absorbed.

Any thoughts on this, IBE?
 
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Now this is a fantastic idea and as for IBE's business model, this could really break out into the mainstream. There are 60 million baby boomers in the USA alone who would plop down good money to stave off death for a couple more years.
 
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Seeing as how you guys succeeded with the peptide delivery, perhaps you could find a way to make resveratrol orally "active". By now we all know that resverarol is one of the new kings of anti-aging and probably performance enhancement, but the problem is getting it in without injection. Resveratrol is so damn sensitive that most in typical supplement form is degraded and/or not absorbed.

Any thoughts on this, IBE?
We will definitely talk about this and maybe speak with the people who designed our delivery system and get their opinion. They made the LR3 IGF-1 very surprisingly stable.
 
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the main problem with this chemical is air degrades it very fast making it more orally active would not be a problem but protecting it from air would be some what hard. we will look into it for sure I have been researching this chem for a while now but kind of gave up on it.
Maybe individual blister packs like they do for SAMe which has similar degradation issues?
 
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maybe a you could suspend it in a capsule with some type of harmless gas or liquid fat.

Maybe you could put a positive/negative charge on it to repel air :)
 

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Seeing as how you guys succeeded with the peptide delivery, perhaps you could find a way to make resveratrol orally "active". By now we all know that resverarol is one of the new kings of anti-aging and probably performance enhancement, but the problem is getting it in without injection. Resveratrol is so damn sensitive that most in typical supplement form is degraded and/or not absorbed.

Any thoughts on this, IBE?



There are a few Misunderstandings that we would like to address about Resveratrol.

1. Oral bioavailability isn't sufficient.

In Reality:

The extensive conjugation (sulfation and glucuronidation) doesn't mean that the compound has no oral bioavailability in humans. The question from those researching resveratrol has been how is resveratrol allowing for all of these beneficial effects despite having what they thought to be low oral bioavailability. One answer has been that perhaps, contrary
to the generalized rule of thumb that conjugation leads to inactivation, those
conjugated resveratrol metabolites were still somewhat active in serum. The
most recent answer with mounting evidence is that these conjugation products
are acting as reservoirs or endogenous/biologic pro-drugs in the body,
allowing for the release of free resveratrol locally and/or systemically after the
conjugation moieties (sulfate and Beta-glucuronic acid) are cleaved by
sulfatase and Beta-glucuronidase respectively (14-16). With this in mind, it explains
why a much lower amount of resveratrol than calculated (i.e., if we assume
conjugated products as permanently inactive metabolites) would need to be
administered in order to achieve necessary serum concentrations of the free
compound. A most recent study has in fact provided direct evidence to support this
hypothesis (17).

The fact that many who are actually providing original research are taking
regular trans-resveratrol provides some testament to the fact that oral
bioavailability isn't the issue it was once thought to be.

2. Insufficient stability and degradation of product.

In Reality:

The stability of resveratrol has only been shown to be an issue when one is
dealing with a reference standard of pure trans-resveratrol, not an extract
(18).



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I don't believe anything you say anymore. Coindence that you're selling a res. extract? Of course not.
 
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I have.
 
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Wow, aren't we being a little temperamental ^^^
Nah man, it's just bad blood. I tend to get pissy when I've been mislead. :smite:
 
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You are programed for X-factor so its understood.
Yes, I am a convert to the Book of Llewellyn.

Whatever the case, I'm not gonna argue with you here on IBE's turf so let's just stop this.
 
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I guess the real question is cost-effectiveness.

Rev, though it's minimal, has an oral bioavailability. But is it worth it to take in a specially designed carrier, or just take a larger amount of Rev?

Though I haven't really looked too hard, I haven't found anything quantifiable on oral absorption rates (if such rates have been established).
 
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I guess the real question is cost-effectiveness.

Rev, though it's minimal, has an oral bioavailability. But is it worth it to take in a specially designed carrier, or just take a larger amount of Rev?

Though I haven't really looked too hard, I haven't found anything quantifiable on oral absorption rates (if such rates have been established).
Well, the amount you'd have to take in would be HUGE. One of the more popular studies that showed all sorts of great improvements in rats (endurance, muscle, life-span, etc) would have had people taking like 4 grams per day. Right now, it would seem the best way to take it is get a very pure, sterile source and inject yourself.

But I actually may be on to another option. I'm talking with someone right now on the possibility of this other option and will most likely get some samples and test it out to see if it is worth it.
 
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There is a company on AM that puts in a transdermal.
How about a Nasal spray??
 
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There is a company on AM that puts in a transdermal.
How about a Nasal spray??
Are you talking about LG's transdermal? That probably wouldn't work because it exposes the resveratrol to an oxygen rich environment. Not just during bottling but after application.

I don't think intra-nasal would be beneficial at all. I think the stuff would have to be in a gel cap or similar oxygen-free delivery.
 
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Well, the amount you'd have to take in would be HUGE. One of the more popular studies that showed all sorts of great improvements in rats (endurance, muscle, life-span, etc) would have had people taking like 4 grams per day. Right now, it would seem the best way to take it is get a very pure, sterile source and inject yourself.

But I actually may be on to another option. I'm talking with someone right now on the possibility of this other option and will most likely get some samples and test it out to see if it is worth it.
I know there's a few transdermal solutions out there, and it has a fairly acceptable molecule size & weight. I don't know how much science there is behind them or if it is protected in the carriers.

From what I've been able to read of wiki, it faces oxidation easily to form the inactive cis-isomer, hence it's antioxidant properties. I would imagine placing it in the presence of stonger antioxidants may assist in slowering the degrading process.
 
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I'd definately like to see a version that works without taking in huge doses and costing a ton. I'm sure many of the brilliant minds here will come up with something. Seems to be an exciting year so far with all the things i've seen planned.
 
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I know there's a few transdermal solutions out there, and it has a fairly acceptable molecule size & weight. I don't know how much science there is behind them or if it is protected in the carriers.

From what I've been able to read of wiki, it faces oxidation easily to form the inactive cis-isomer, hence it's antioxidant properties. I would imagine placing it in the presence of stonger antioxidants may assist in slowering the degrading process.
That's the problem with transdermals: oxidation. And I'm doubtful of the ability of other antioxidants to preserve it. That just doesn't sound like it would work. But who knows.
 
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That's the problem with transdermals: oxidation. And I'm doubtful of the ability of other antioxidants to preserve it. That just doesn't sound like it would work. But who knows.
I agree other antiox's won't preserve it. The whole functionality of an anti-oxidant is to oxidize very easily, to form a stablized product (thus preventing autooxidation). My concept behind putting it in the presence of stronger antioxidants is that the electrons will be more apt to react with the less stable (more potent) antioxidant. Far-fetched? maybe a little, but I'm eager to help with this brainstorming.

I agree with your softgel idea. The bottom line is we need to minimize exposure and reactivity with O2.
 
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We also need to consider that antioxidants are basically reducing agents. Antioxidants reacting with oxygen can produce hydrogen peroxide, and who knows how that will mix with the Resv.
 
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... The
most recent answer with mounting evidence is that these conjugation products
are acting as reservoirs or endogenous/biologic pro-drugs in the body,
allowing for the release of free resveratrol locally and/or systemically after the
conjugation moieties (sulfate and Beta-glucuronic acid) ...
That's not so. These conjugates are excreted even faster than they can be accurately measured. There's no repository effect from water soluble conjugates. Fatty esters are different, but these are virtually worthless.
 
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That's not so. These conjugates are excreted even faster than they can be accurately measured. There's no repository effect from water soluble conjugates. Fatty esters are different, but these are virtually worthless.
my thoughts exactly!!!:blink: :blink:
 
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Does anyone have an opinion on the Longevinex version?
 
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How are these things packaged anyway? Ampules?
 
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Sounds cool!

You can go ahead and put my check in the mail now. :rofl:
 
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Grunt, described from the Longevinex website; airtight opaque capsule, encapsulated under nitrogen without light exposure; sealed in foil pack.
 
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Described from the Longevinex website; airtight opaque capsule, encapsulated under nitrogen without light exposure; sealed in foil pack.
Is it just the resveratrol by itself?

EDIT: it looks like good stuff. Have to admit, I was actually surprised.
 
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No, there are several other ingrediants as well. check their website for a product label.
 
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IBE as found a orally active form of tans-Resveratrol thanks to Dr.D for this one. it will probably won't be ready for another 2 months or so before we release it.
That is just FANTASTIC.
 
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Uh, but what is tans-reversatrol... As good as reversatrol itself? I can only assume...
 
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Uh, but what is tans-reversatrol... As good as reversatrol itself? I can only assume...
I believe he meant trans-resveratrol. There are a number of related compounds but it appears that trans-resveratrol is involved in the sirt gene activation (stimulating longevity in flies, mice and hopefully humans).

I take a resveratrol supplement now but the supposed trans-resveratrol content is just educated guesswork on the part of the manufacturer.

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I believe he meant trans-resveratrol. There are a number of related compounds but it appears that trans-resveratrol is involved in the sirt gene activation (stimulating longevity in flies, mice and hopefully humans).

I take a resveratrol supplement now but the supposed trans-resveratrol content is just educated guesswork on the part of the manufacturer.

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Yes, resveratrol is the same thing as trans-resveratrol. Same CAS#. You can assume they are the same unless is specifically says cis-resveratrol, or what ever other specific form is being referenced.
 
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If you guys underprice that Longevex brand, you''l get a lot of business. The popularity of Rez is really growing and word is slowly getting out about trans-rez.

A little marketing in the right places and viola!
 

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Seeing as how you guys succeeded with the peptide delivery, perhaps you could find a way to make resveratrol orally "active". By now we all know that resverarol is one of the new kings of anti-aging and probably performance enhancement, but the problem is getting it in without injection. Resveratrol is so damn sensitive that most in typical supplement form is degraded and/or not absorbed.
Here's an abstract excerpt from a study done in 95 (I only have an abstract, but I think the conclusion indicates more stability than what is being percieved at this juncture), that indirectly indicates that as long as resveratrol (trans) is properly manufactured and bottled (excluded from high pH buffers and kept out of light).... trans-resveratrol can avoid isomerisation for months.... I'm sure avoiding high pH buffers and light can easily be achieved by various manufacturers.

"Resveratrol has attracted interest as a wine constituent that may reduce heart disease. Published data on the molar absorptivity and chemical stability of cis- and trans-resveratrol have varied greatly. Accurate values for UV absorbance for trans-resveratrol [UV max (EtOH) nm () 308 (30 000)] and cis-resveratrol [UV max (EtOH) nm () 288 (12 600)] were determined and are used to improve chromatographic quantitation methods. Trials conducted under a variety of commonly encountered laboratory conditions show that trans-resveratrol is stable for months, except in high-pH buffers, when protected from light. cis-Resveratrol was stable only near pH neutrality when completely protected from light."

[highlight]Resveratrol: Isomeric Molar Absorptivities and Stability[/highlight]
Resveratrol: Isomeric Molar Absorptivities and Stability
 

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I am VERY interested to say the least, and I would love to get it from u guys, so whats the latest ?????
 
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I am VERY interested to say the least, and I would love to get it from u guys, so whats the latest ?????
Top secret stuff :D. Don't worry, you know I am always Johnny on the spot when it comes to keeping everyone updated lol.
 
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so what are all the exact benifits of resveratrol and through what avenues does it work? is it a GH booster? what kind of effects does it have sides wise? or is this one of those all good compounds?
 
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wow very nice sounding! id def be interested if this could be made available in an acceptable form! leave it to IBE and Dr D:rolleyes:
 
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In a nutshell...

Rez does lots of different things but one of the primary actions is to shut off all the gene triggers associated with hypercaloric diets. These gene triggers are intimately involved in the aging process and therefore make one more prone to age-related diseases such as atherosclerosis, cancer brain degeneration etc.

Shutting them down allows people like us to continue to eat a lot to maintain our physiques but metabolically and genetically the body is closer to a state of hypocalorism which is very well known to enhance lifespan in human and animal models.

On the whole, Americans are developing a shorter lifespan, despite our elevated living conditions, due largely to caloric excess and heavy reliance on low GI carbs/high saturated fat intake.

I notice, and I'm sure many of you do, that when bulking I feel slow and lethargic. Cutting, I feel a lot zippier mentally and physically. Perhaps high doses of Rez can give us the benefits of cutting/hypocaloric situations even when living hypercaloric lifestyle.
 

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