Has anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
Not alcohol problems, but meth problems.. was addicted for about 5 years.. been clean about 20months now. I'm no expert on addiction or drinking, but cognitive behavioral therapy style recovery programs helped me the most. That and finally going to treatment in a place that allowed me to become more integrated back into the community as well as supportive housing after treatment.. got a job and made myself find something social I used to like to do like playing magic the gathering or dnd with nerd friends one day a week.. also hitting the gym with consistency.. once you rebuild a new structure in your daily life it gets easier and easier.. also being around people who don't do what you are trying to stop doing kinda rubs off on you.. I know with drinking there are some medications you could consider taking like antabuse or campral.. they say antabuse is dangerous because it makes you fairly sick when you drink while on it, but in most cases it's not life threatening and honestly it's the closest thing to how the principles of behavior modification outline to reduce the frequency of a given behavior because the consequence immediately follows the behavior you want to change.. the other option is to continue until you lose everything and wake up in a jail.. typically that's the same idea, but is much worse than just getting ill as a consequence.. both are in ways an aversion type conditioning..Has anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
That's pretty much the dumbest over simplification of a seriously difficult challenge for someone ever.. please gtfo if you don't want to help.. dude reached out.. respect him for that..Just stop. Easier said then done. You can do it
Much advice. Very wow. What is your next gem? If you want to bench press 500 pounds just lift more?Just stop. Easier said then done. You can do it
Really though, just have to quit you’ll go through heavy ass withdrawals but it’s about the only way to kick an addiction. Just take it out all at once because when you get to the “just one more” stage there will always be just one more. I’ve been through it and it sucks but it was the only way I could quit.Much advice. Very wow. What is your next gem? If you want to bench press 500 pounds just lift more?
Yes, you do have to “just do it,” but there’s a reason why things like AA work so well for a lot of people; having some form of community of people who have going through the same thing can help, as can having some, any, plan to evaluate your life and try to address the root causes and triggers and how to eliminate, reduce, and/or avoid them in the future. Yes, you have to “just do it,” but sometimes it’s wise to just do it with some help and a gameplan. Not everyone can just decide “I’m going to quit, all on my own, no help.” If you did, good for you, but not everyone can.Really though, just have to quit you’ll go through heavy ass withdrawals but it’s about the only way to kick an addiction. Just take it out all at once because when you get to the “just one more” stage there will always be just one more. I’ve been through it and it sucks but it was the only way I could quit.
Longtime alcoholic- 3 yrs clean now. Please go see a doctor and tell them the truth. Depending on the severity of your alcoholism quitting can be very dangerous medically to do on your own. No shame involved. If you are sick- go to the doctor. Be well. You are not alone and you can stop with helpHas anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
Asking for help is the best first step for any addiction. I was a smoker a few years back and I've lost count really but it was terrible. I asked for help, and got quite a bit of it in the way of suggestions. I'm not sure how it translates to drinking really, if at all.Has anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
4 years sober. Alcohol and fitness don't mix. I say fuk alcohol. Get some kratom or something if you wanna have some fun/relax/be sociableHas anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
I don't know if I'd recommend kratom right off the bat for someone that appears to have issues with addiction. Sure, it's likely preferable to alcohol, but for someone trying to get clean, I'd stay away from everything for now, and figure out what to try later, you know?4 years sober. Alcohol and fitness don't mix. I say fuk alcohol. Get some kratom or something if you wanna have some fun/relax/be sociable
No Kratom is proven to HELP with addiction. It helped me get off alcohol. People use it to get off other stuff, it's not addicting.I don't know if I'd recommend kratom right off the bat for someone that appears to have issues with addiction. Sure, it's likely preferable to alcohol, but for someone trying to get clean, I'd stay away from everything for now, and figure out what to try later, you know?
Try Kratom brother it will help.Has anyone here had huge alcohol problems in the past but are now better? I have a problem with alcohol and I need to stop.
I have continued until I lost everything.Not alcohol problems, but meth problems.. was addicted for about 5 years.. been clean about 20months now. I'm no expert on addiction or drinking, but cognitive behavioral therapy style recovery programs helped me the most. That and finally going to treatment in a place that allowed me to become more integrated back into the community as well as supportive housing after treatment.. got a job and made myself find something social I used to like to do like playing magic the gathering or dnd with nerd friends one day a week.. also hitting the gym with consistency.. once you rebuild a new structure in your daily life it gets easier and easier.. also being around people who don't do what you are trying to stop doing kinda rubs off on you.. I know with drinking there are some medications you could consider taking like antabuse or campral.. they say antabuse is dangerous because it makes you fairly sick when you drink while on it, but in most cases it's not life threatening and honestly it's the closest thing to how the principles of behavior modification outline to reduce the frequency of a given behavior because the consequence immediately follows the behavior you want to change.. the other option is to continue until you lose everything and wake up in a jail.. typically that's the same idea, but is much worse than just getting ill as a consequence.. both are in ways an aversion type conditioning..
It actually is that simple. Just stop.That's pretty much the dumbest over simplification of a seriously difficult challenge for someone ever.. please gtfo if you don't want to help.. dude reached out.. respect him for that..
EXACTLY.Really though, just have to quit you’ll go through heavy ass withdrawals but it’s about the only way to kick an addiction. Just take it out all at once because when you get to the “just one more” stage there will always be just one more. I’ve been through it and it sucks but it was the only way I could quit.
Have you ever been to AA? I did for 2 years. Half if not more people there are still drinking and on drugs. I would literally see guys show up high as a kite.Yes, you do have to “just do it,” but there’s a reason why things like AA work so well for a lot of people; having some form of community of people who have going through the same thing can help, as can having some, any, plan to evaluate your life and try to address the root causes and triggers and how to eliminate, reduce, and/or avoid them in the future. Yes, you have to “just do it,” but sometimes it’s wise to just do it with some help and a gameplan. Not everyone can just decide “I’m going to quit, all on my own, no help.” If you did, good for you, but not everyone can.
Also, as I’ve explained, it’s just such silly advice. Why not give suggestions as to how to do it? Saying just do it is the same thing as you telling me you want to become a Pro bodybuilder and me telling you just do it, and then strutting around like I actually have you legitimate advice instead of just useless drivel.
Kratom will help.Thank you guys all so much for all the responses. l am glad I can have people to support me. Bought some kudzu root and took it for the first time today. Will continue to take everyday for possibly forever as long as it can aid in my quitting alcohol. I know it will take time and a lot of mental strength but I will do it. I have no choice. Otherwise it will be to late. Thank you all again.
AA is not very helping. All they do is talk about using drugs. It actually gets into the back of your head and makes you crave them moreCheck in to a detox to get off the alcohol safely. Afterwards find AA meetings in your area. Get connected and the rest will follow. I was an addict/alcoholic for 15 years I am recently 6 years sober. It works
Yet you advocate Kratom, a super adductive drug!AA is not very helping. All they do is talk about using drugs. It actually gets into the back of your head and makes you crave them more
Bs dude i took kratom to get off opiates and was hooked worse on that sh1t than anything else and the withdrawals were just as bad if not worse than opiates. The withdrawals lasted a month and i didnt sleep AT ALL for 2 weeksNo Kratom is proven to HELP with addiction. It helped me get off alcohol. People use it to get off other stuff, it's not addicting.
I would absolutely recommend it.
I have been taking it for years, not one side effect.
This nonsense bro.... Ive withdrawn from heroin, oxycotin, methadone,and kratom. Kratom wds dont touch it. 160 mg/day Methadone was the worse never ending. If you are using the plain leaf and not a synthesized chemical there's no way the detox was worse.OP do not take kratom. It was worse for me than opiates. It got to the point for me that i would take it before bed so the withdrawals didnt kick in in the middle of the night and i would still wake up in the middle of the night going through withdrawals and need to take more. That sh1t is bad. Some people can take it moderately and not get hooked. But if you're having problems with drinking i wouldnt risk it bc most likely you wont be one of the people that can take it moderately. Just my 2 cents take it or leave it.
Ive withdrawn from all that too and im telling you for me it was just as bad if jot worse. Im sharing my experience so someone else doesnt go through it. Just because its not that bad for you doesnt mean someone else wont have the same experience as me. Dont just tell me im talking bullsh1t bc you havent experienced it. Im trying to help hereThis nonsense bro.... Ive withdrawn from heroin, oxycotin, methadone,and kratom. Kratom wds dont touch it. 160 mg/day Methadone was the worse never ending. If you are using the plain leaf and not a synthesized chemical there's no way the detox was worse.
Not saying you can't withdraw from it but going around telling people it's evil don't do it is nonsense. That's for you not for everyone else. You couldn't do it.
Im just trying to keep someone else from maybe experiencing the same as me cause it ruined my life for fcking years. Sorry im so passionate about it bc it made my life living hell. You had your experie ce. I had mine. Who knows what his would be but now he knows the possibilitiesThis nonsense bro.... Ive withdrawn from heroin, oxycotin, methadone,and kratom. Kratom wds dont touch it. 160 mg/day Methadone was the worse never ending. If you are using the plain leaf and not a synthesized chemical there's no way the detox was worse.
Not saying you can't withdraw from it but going around telling people it's evil don't do it is nonsense. That's for you not for everyone else. You couldn't do it.
And im getting real sick and tired of people telling me its "nonsense" or "not possible" on here every time i tell my story in hopes of helping someone else avoid it. I was hooked on heroin and any other opiate i could get my hands (which is all of them) for ten years so i know what the withdrawals are like for all them. So for anyone who doesnt want to believe me, fck all y'all. Dont ever say i didnt put it out there though. FckThis nonsense bro.... Ive withdrawn from heroin, oxycotin, methadone,and kratom. Kratom wds dont touch it. 160 mg/day Methadone was the worse never ending. If you are using the plain leaf and not a synthesized chemical there's no way the detox was worse.
Not saying you can't withdraw from it but going around telling people it's evil don't do it is nonsense. That's for you not for everyone else. You couldn't do it.
Okay that's your experience that's not normal bro. If he's trying to come off alcohol I would not recommend substituting kratom. However I think your situation and what you went through and what you tell everybody else because of the extreme that you took it to of does not apply to a majority of people who will take it. Saying kratom is worse than opiates is an opinion and def not gospel.And im getting real sick and tired of people telling me its "nonsense" or "not possible" on here every time i tell my story in hopes of helping someone else avoid it. I was hooked on heroin and any other opiate i could get my hands (which is all of them) for ten years so i know what the withdrawals are like for all them. So for anyone who doesnt want to believe me, fck all y'all. Dont ever say i didnt put it out there though. Fck
Good for you man... In my experience it doesnt matter what the substance is bondage is bondage and being free from it feels so much better. Good luck brotherNot interested in taking any drugs really. Been taking kudzu root everyday for almost a week. Almost a week without alcohol! Wish me luck
Thanks for the apology. I appreciate that. I never said it was gospel. And i understand that some people can do it and have no issues but im not gonna stay quiet about how it treated me bc of that. I know that its not normal how it treated me but im not the first nor will i be the last. But it was someone telling me about it exactly how Bintherduntht was talking about it that got me to try it and it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me. I know other people like it and thats up to them but i dont care what anyone says im going to tell people my experience when i see other suggesting it for stuff like this bc who knows that person could end up exactly like me. I know if it wasnt for my wife and kids i probably wouldve just killed myself instead of keep trying bc i didnt have any hope. Thats why i approach it the way i do. If it offends anyone, oh well. K ive said enough. Back to your scheduled programmingOkay that's your experience that's not normal bro. If he's trying to come off alcohol I would not recommend substituting kratom. However I think your situation and what you went through and what you tell everybody else because of the extreme that you took it to of does not apply to a majority of people who will take it. Saying kratom is worse than opiates is an opinion and def not gospel.
I was a bit sharp in my Approach with you man I apologize for that. My advice to you is to consider that your an exception not the norm and to approach it that way when you tell other people instead of saying it to them like that's what will happen to them if they do it.
It's asinine to say that kratom does not have addictive potential. It CAN help people kick some addictions, but that doesn't mean it isn't addictive itself, although it is often LESS addicting than the drugs that people are using it to get off of. I can show you a PLETHORA of studies showing that kratom does indeed have an addicitve potential, and even the respectable people who sell it here on AM (sponsors) will tell you it has this potential and should be used with caution, if at all, by people with a history of addiction. To suggest otherwise, that it has no addictive potential, is irresponsible and incorrect.No Kratom is proven to HELP with addiction. It helped me get off alcohol. People use it to get off other stuff, it's not addicting.
I would absolutely recommend it.
I have been taking it for years, not one side effect.
Yes, it's up to the individual, and AA doesn't assure anything, or work for everyone. I'm only saying that it CAN help SOME PEOPLE, as having more resources and access to some people who actually have managed to stay clean for decades can help some people. It didn't work for you, that's fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work for anyone. Same with your asinine comments about kratom; it is 100% addicting for some people. Your anecdote doesn't speak for all people or make the definitive rule man.Have you ever been to AA? I did for 2 years. Half if not more people there are still drinking and on drugs. I would literally see guys show up high as a kite.
It is up to the individual. Plain and simple.
AA did nothing to help me. I did it myself. It's called will power
Either extreme is incorrect. I wouldn't suggest that kratom has no addictive potential (as binthere did), or that it has the most extreme addictive potential. Reality likely lies somewhere in the middle, and of course people's individual responses will vary, but we can say with certainty that kratom DOES have an addictive potential, and therefore should be used cautiously, if at all, by someone with a history of addiction.This nonsense bro.... Ive withdrawn from heroin, oxycotin, methadone,and kratom. Kratom wds dont touch it. 160 mg/day Methadone was the worse never ending. If you are using the plain leaf and not a synthesized chemical there's no way the detox was worse.
Not saying you can't withdraw from it but going around telling people it's evil don't do it is nonsense. That's for you not for everyone else. You couldn't do it.
I totally agree man... I believe whether or not it is abused is based on the individual. There are way more addictive substances out there but at the same time it is a PARTIAL mu opioid receptor agonist so the potential for abuse IS there.Either extreme is incorrect. I wouldn't suggest that kratom has no addictive potential (as binthere did), or that it has the most extreme addictive potential. Reality likely lies somewhere in the middle, and of course people's individual responses will vary, but we can say with certainty that kratom DOES have an addictive potential, and therefore should be used cautiously, if at all, by someone with a history of addiction.
It's not an evil monster, but it's also not entirely benign for everyone all the time.
Well recovery folks seem to be super cautious about everything.. I catch flak for using ec stack since my doc was meth.. they hate on phenibut also.. and kratom.. but to me ec is no where near the same..I totally agree man... I believe whether or not it is abused is based on the individual. There are way more addictive substances out there but at the same time it is a PARTIAL mu opioid receptor agonist so the potential for abuse is there.
EC is nowhere near the same, assuming you mean ephedrine and caffeine. There’s MOUNTAINS of research on the combination.Well recovery folks seem to be super cautious about everything.. I catch flak for using ec stack since my doc was meth.. they hate on phenibut also.. and kratom.. but to me ec is no where near the same..
I didn't say it was logical..EC is nowhere near the same, assuming you mean ephedrine and caffeine. There’s MOUNTAINS of research on the combination.
I guess it works for some and not for others. To each their own?It's asinine to say that kratom does not have addictive potential. It CAN help people kick some addictions, but that doesn't mean it isn't addictive itself, although it is often LESS addicting than the drugs that people are using it to get off of. I can show you a PLETHORA of studies showing that kratom does indeed have an addicitve potential, and even the respectable people who sell it here on AM (sponsors) will tell you it has this potential and should be used with caution, if at all, by people with a history of addiction. To suggest otherwise, that it has no addictive potential, is irresponsible and incorrect.
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