-=[ZB126 Gets Swole with LG Science's subECDY!]=-
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zb126
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LG's subECDY: Day 22
Dosing:
-4 pumps, 8 times a day, including one pre and one post workout
-Orange Triad Multi: 2 caps 3x per day
-LG BC+EAA 3 scoops, intra workout
Weighed in this morning at 179.5lbs so that's 5.5lbs gain in 3 weeks. I'm pretty stoked seeing that I ate a little light these past few days and thought I was possibly going to be down a pound. Anyway, on to the lifts...
DB Flyes:
-25lbs x 2 x 12
-30lbs x 2 x 12
-30lbs x 2 x 12
-35lbs x 2 x 8
Flat Bench:
-135lbs x 10
-145lbs x 9
-155lbs x 7
-175lbs x 6
Supersetted with:
DB Pullovers:
-40lbs x 10
-45lbs x 8
-45lbs x 8
Decline Press:
-135lbs x 10
-135lbs x 10
-145lbs x 88
Workout was cut short by a phonecall I had been waiting for for a few days so all in all, not the most satisfying workout, but still feel pretty full and swole from it. Recovery is off the hook....my legs are a little tight still, gonna go easy on them until they are 100% so I may but legs off an extra day or something, we will see.
No sides to report, the dosing, however, has been a little more difficult recently. Its been harder to space out the dosing evenly with a slightly hectic schedule so 8 doses of a sublingual spray aren't always the easiest to do from place to place. I was thinking of moving a dose to the middle of my workout for the last week to see how that changed things up. I keep it in my gym bag so all I gotta do is go to the locker.... any thoughts guys?
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zb126
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LG's subECDY: Day 23
Dosing:
-4 pumps, 8 times a day, including one pre and one post workout
-Orange Triad Multi: 2 caps 3x per day
-LG BC+EAA 3 scoops, intra workout
Pull Ups (assisted weight):
-55lbs x 8
-55lbs x 8
-55lbs x 8
Rear Delt Fly:
-55lbs x 12 (slow)
-70lbs x 10
-90lbs x 10
-105lbs x 10
Seated Row:
-100lbs x 10
-120lbs x 10
-140lbs x 8
Deadlifts:
-135lbs x 14
-185lbs x 8
-225lbs x 5 slipped outa hand on last rep, grabbed some chalk
-255lbs x 6
-285lbs x 5 PR WOOT WOOT!
Lat PD:
-95lbs x 15
-100lbs x 11
-120lbs x 6
Another PR on Dealifts! I'm not gonna lie, I'm pushing myself really hard on them so I'm not surprised the weight is going up but this is good to have something with constant improvement. I had a pretty good start from the squat strength so transferring this into deadlift power has been easier than I expected with subECDY!
No sides other than a little bloat around the waist today...probably not related but I'll mention it just in case
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Mixelflick
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I don't know what I enjoy more... your new PR's/success with The Blueprint or these funbags.
You just can't lose with this log!
You just can't lose with this log!
LG Sciences
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It's a good log. You made some good gains, now I just need to finish the product!
zb126
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haha, sounds good to me! are there any changes expected for the final version? perhaps different source of an ecdysterone or some turk
Stoked to see your booth at the arnold, hopefully there will be some good deals cuz I'm hoping to bring home some goodies
zb126
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LG's subECDY: Day 25
Dosing:
-4 pumps, 8 times a day, including one pre and one post workout
-Orange Triad Multi: 2 caps 3x per day
-LG BC+EAA 3 scoops, intra workout
DB Front Raises: (weight per DB)
-15lbs x 8
-15lbs x 8
-20lbs x 5, 15lbs x 5
DB Side Raises: (weight per DB)
-15lbs x 12
-20lbs x 6, 15lbs x 10
-15lbs x 10
Military Press (non smith):
-75lbs x 10
-85lbs x 8
-105lbs x 4
-65lbs x 10
Cable Upright Rows:
-75lbs x 10
-75lbs x 10
-75lbs x 8
Core work
-V Sits 3x10
-Bicycles 3x10
-Leg Raises 3x10/9/6
No sides to report at all for subECDY, the bloating is gone, was likely just fluctuating water weight. Its sad to see the bottle getting close to empty but hopefully this will be followed up by something great. I'll be looking to pick up something fun hopefully at the LG booth at the Arnold so I'll keep everyone updated.
Thanks again to everyone who is following, silently or not, and if you subbed and didn't let me know I appreciate your support and will gladly rep you when I find out!
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monstermash
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haha, sounds good to me! are there any changes expected for the final version? perhaps different source of an ecdysterone or some turk
Nice work on the PR's!! Was skimming through the log and very interested in the product and this Blueprint.
zb126
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LG's subECDY: Day 27
Dosing:
-4 pumps, 8 times a day, including one pre and one post workout
-Orange Triad Multi: 2 caps 3x per day
-LG BC+EAA 3 scoops, intra workout
DB Flyes: (weight per DB)
-25lbs x 12
-30lbs x 12
-35lbs x 12
DB Flat Bench: (weight per DB)
-55lbs x 12
-60lbs x 11
-60lbs x 10
Decline DB Press: (weight per DB)
-45lbs x 12
-50lbs x 12
-55lbs x 12
Incline DB Press: (weight per DB)
-35lbs x 12
-40lbs x 12
-45lbs x9
Core work
-V Sits 12/10/8
-Bicycles 3x10
-Leg Raises 10/10/8
Dips (wide grip)
-bodyweight x 9
-bodyweight x 6
No sides to report, I don't foresee any coming in the next few days.... I have never experienced any sides with ecdy products so I'm not surprised.
The bottle seems to barley be losing any volume so I may have undershot the number of days left, who knows. I'll just run this til I'm out of it anyway. Also, yesterday was really screwed up for dosing since I was at the Arnold.
A shout out to Eric and the LG reps at the booth out at the Arnold Classic. I am constantly impressed with their professionalism and knowledge. Yesterday solidified my opinion of LG as a company working to put out affordable products as I got some incredible deals at the booth. If you are going to the Arnold you MUST check out their booth or you are doing yourself a disservice.
I picked up 2x GHenerate, BC + EAA, Slin, T-911 a blender bottle for $55! All I can say is wow.
I also got to meet Jamie Eason who is as hot in person as in all her photo shoots.
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zb126
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Thanks man, glad to hear!
I've got about barely any xubECDY left in the bottle so this is probably the last day maybe another half. I've been home these past few days so I got a great workout in my home gym and hit it again today. Also upped the calories these last few days to about 600 over maintenance. I'll be getting my final review together probably tomorrow. What a great run this was!
Psychabinol
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nice log bro
zb126
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[size=+3]LG Sciences subECDY Final Review[/size]
[size=+1]Strength Gains: 10/10[/size]
My strength went up across the board by at least 7% per lift with some being well over 10% increases. The amazing thing was that subECDY took days to kick in and these strength gains were notable in even the first two weeks. As far as strength goes, you will likely gain the most by shocking your muscles and letting subECDY serve its role as an adaptogen to help supercharge your body to catch up and adapt to the new weights and lifts. This is exactly how ecdysterone products should be used and you will find that the purity and delivery system utilized by subECDY make it easy to be impressed with your strength increases.
[size=+1]Muscle Density/hardness: 9/10[/size]
I always keep in mind that size can have a lot to do with the workout style used (hypertrophy, etc) but for subECDY the increases in muscle hardness and fullness are easily the earliest noticed effects. They seem to kick in in the first few days, and are notable by the third or fourth for sure. The dosing mechanism and the strength of subECDY are noticeable as I felt that my muscles were full and hard basically 24/7 while on it.
[size=+1]Size/Weight Gains: 10/10[/size]
For a recomp, I couldn't have asked for more. It was easy to maintain leanness while gaining muscle with subECDY. The last few days I upped my calories with mainly carbs which gave me a little softer feel around the waist. I started at 174lbs and ended at 181lbs, so I gained a total of 7lbs on thirty days of subECDY. I am very impressed with this! I utilized some of the techniques in the Blueprint (Mixel's ebook) and they helped, too. I would also note that with a very small increase over maintenance calories, these gains can clearly be attributed to subECDY.
[size=+1]Recovery: 9.5/10[/size]
Like any good ecdysterone product, recovery becomes a breeze. Notably, subECDY's effects kicked in very quickly, slightly faster than those of E-Bol from my experience, likely due to sublingual delivery being so effective.
[size=+1]Dosing: 7/10[/size]
This is the only downside I can think of for subECDY. At 4 pumps 8 times a day, dosing can be a little tedious. I found it to work very well with one dose before and another after workouts. The morning and pre-bed doses were also easy to remember but it is sometimes hard to time the other four. I would suggest possibly considering fewer doses with more pumps to make it easier to fit them in. In addition, it can sometimes be awkward to carry around a bottle of mystery liquid to spray under your tongue so it could be interesting to see if LG considers trying this in a sublingual tablet like their T-911, E-911 and the new MMV3.
LG clearly has the sublingual delivery down and its benefits can be seen in GHenerate and the above mentioned supplements. For subECDY it makes the ecdysterone more effective as it bypasses the gut and therefore avoids the problems that other products have had in the past. I gave this a 7 instead of a lower score due to this fact. As much as we may hate multiple doses per day, if it works this well, you can't complain too much.
LG clearly has the sublingual delivery down and its benefits can be seen in GHenerate and the above mentioned supplements. For subECDY it makes the ecdysterone more effective as it bypasses the gut and therefore avoids the problems that other products have had in the past. I gave this a 7 instead of a lower score due to this fact. As much as we may hate multiple doses per day, if it works this well, you can't complain too much.
[size=+1]Overall: 10/10[/size]
The only downside of subECDY is the 8 doses per day. Otherwise you have one of the best ecdysterone products out there. Strength gains were incredible, weight gain of 7lbs on a recomp is up there with prohormones and recovery is through the roof. Muscle hardness and density were greatly increased and were felt 24/7, likely due to the effective sublingual delivery. Compared to E-bol, this more simple formula had a greater effect on me which I would also attribute to the delivery system. I would suggest ethat with some of those exotic extras in E-bol, subECDY would be unstoppable. Overall, you can't go wrong with subECDY and hopefully LG will put this out and everyone can experience the power of effectively delivered ecdysterone.
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[size=+1]Lifting Stats & Increases:[/size]
(Calculated 1RM for the final stats)
Squats: 270lbs to 287lbs
Deadlifts: 231lbs to 321lbs
Military Press: 85lbs to 115lbs
Bench: 185lbs to 203lbs
Dual Pulley Row: 145lbs to 174lbs
Weight: 174lbs to 181lbs
Clearly I was no where near my max for deadlifts when I started.... I highly suggest the loading pattern in here for really getting to ace the form on lifts. I started dead lifting earlier this year and I had leg strength from always doing squats but something wasn't right on my deadlift form. I just didn't have the form down, but after doing the first few days of the loading pattern with about 50 reps and decreasing, it came together much, much better. I'd take a better look at the other lifts for the comparisons since they were strength increases alone and not a combination of form and strength. Either way, I'm really happy with the outcome!
Thanks to CraigMatthew and IrishCannon for helping set me up with Texaslifter's bottle and thanks to Eric for creating this for the testers!
Lastly, thanks to everyone who followed along and feel free to post or send me any questions or feedback!
Edit: Added in the lifting stats for strength increases so its easier to see!
zb126
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Final review is posted!
Thanks! I'll upload the final pictures when I get from spring break or if I can find a cable down here!
zb126
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I know right? I'm stoked about it, too, seeing that in all my ecdy experiences weight gained is not typically fat. I usually notice a little of increased glycogen retention which is probably part of the hardness/density that goes away a week or so after stopping but there is mostly muscle and this time is no exception, very little fat IMO.
I bet if people up the calories and just eat like crazy they will get more muscle strength and a little fat, too, of course. I can see how people have claimed to get 10+lbs on an ecdy product, I'm pretty sure a lot of us just weren't using them in a way to fully exploit their power or they got broken down in the gut before getting into the blood stream. Nothing to complain about with subECDY!
zb126
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I think this could be awesome in a PCT, harden you up quick for sure...
As far as when, I know that Eric said its in the pipeline still when I talked to him at the Arnold, he will have to chime in on any exact details for you there...hopefully soon though, because I want moar!
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I think we will do a small beta run for AM members.
russianstar
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i enjoyed that, especialy after i ran injectable ecdy and logged it here, id like to see how this compares, i know ecdy works but the delivery has always been the problem, front loading seems pointless though due to its half life, however im excited to see the results of this, and how the delivery method works, looking promising so far.
Enjoyedf the log.
Enjoyedf the log.
rambo679
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Are there any contraindications when taking ecdy? Anythingo one should really avoid?
zb126
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Thanks! I'll be in touch after my next little project and see if you can help me figure out something killer to jump start the summer!
Sweet, I'll be picking up more. Are there going to be any additions or changes to the formula for the next run? Hopefully after the beta this can go to full production!
Glad you enjoyed it! Injecting ecdy is pretty crazy dude, how did you get that idea? I'll be checking out your log of it soon for sure
Craigmatthew
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I know! That is insane man! And on a recomp....!!! Ummm Eric... lets release this!!!
Great log man and excellent review!! THANKS!!
Thought about logging ASGT?
zb126
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ASGT looks sweet, I had some issues with an ingredient in AS along the lines of an allergic style reaction, but I also switched to a stronger allergy med about a month or so ago that's been awesome on everything so I'm thinking of giving it a shot again. I think we figured it must have been the psarm in it, right?
Craigmatthew
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Yeah hard to tell, how did you react to it?
zb126
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dizzyness and head congestion style pain...felt like throwing up, lol. It has happened one other time and it was with a dandelion tea but I asked the doc when I got my non-otc meds and he said i'd be fine so I went ahead and tried it again (its the traditional medicinal brand breathe easy tea for when you are sick) and I was fine and felt better from it, too.
Craigmatthew
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Sounds like the psarm... a few peopl have this reaction. Not many with AS, mostly with the psarm with the Y included.
zb126
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I've been having favorable reactions to the Y in T-911 I tried at the Arnold so I'm glad my body is tolerating it, too. Are you guys thinking of doing samples of ASGT? I'd love to give it a shot before opening a full tub haha
If it goes fine, after my tt-33 run, I'm sure between you and the other lg reps we could put together a hell of a stack with some of the goodies I got at the arnold from the LG booth
russianstar
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I gained 5lbs over 4 weeks, even though i got food poisoning and was really ill, had tremendous recovery etc, very similar to your results, i got blood work done, and had a positive benefit on my cholesterol levels, plus serum testosterone remained the same, so its synergy to stack it with a test booster is perfect, and during pct if this product is as good as it seems then it would be perfect, im just thinking about trying to get some of this and running some tests on my hormones as its run, as ecdy lowered my cortisol levels considerably, wich accounts partly for the leaning out.
Did you notice any teprature increase? i noticed 0.6 degree increase in temp.
I seriously hope this gets released, because ive been thinking about doing another ecdy homebrew shortly.
Great job though on this, was a good read. Id love to know the technology involved in the sublingual.
flightposite
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awesome! this sounds great im thinking natadrol,psarm,ghenerate and subECDY the ultimate natty muscle stack
zb126
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awesome! this sounds great im thinking natadrol,psarm,ghenerate and subECDY the ultimate natty muscle stack
hell yeah! on a bulk the results should be nuts-- I was aiming for a recomp and didn't go too far over maintenance calories and still gained 7lbs. I have a feeling a good bulking caloric intake would make that stack INSANE!
zb126
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bumped for updated start/finish pic. sorry for the delay, back from spring break though not much tanner than the pictures unfortunately. I need to work on that... Anyway, poor lighting sucks no matter what but I noticed the most improvement for my upper body in my shoulders and lats with a more fullness in the chest though its hard to see from the lighting and my paleness lol
GMG760
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I would love to run Natadrol/GHenerate/SubEcdy... then bridge into a T911/Formadrol stack... all while running ASGT/Anadrualic Pump/BC+EAA the whole time.
The LG GFHN (Get fukkin huge naturally) Bridge.
scoooter
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GMG760
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It's honestly one of the ONLY LG products I have yet to try (I've been blessed with a lot of beta-testing opportunities by the guys at LG). As soon as I get the chance, I am gonna be jumping on that one. Especially after these results.
monstermash
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bump for subecdy. I would like to give the UTT delivery a shot.
zb126
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got a source for that study? I had no joint discomfort to report but i always take Orange Triad....
As far as sleep goes I did not notice any negative effects, felt pretty well rested most of the time. I did not experience the deep sleep effects as with GHenerate but subECDY had no negative impact.
metroba
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There is talks going on now. We'll let you know when/if something happens :yup:
scoooter
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backburner.......more like taken off the stove completely. From following along I can say that they (LG) had a small run, gave it all away and did not get very many logs posted compared to what they gave out. Some people had stomach issues. Some had good results. Seems like there is not enough demand
metroba
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We have actually had some decent demand and no not off the stove completely. We just can't put the time into it right now.