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yellow ribbons on gas guzzlers

lifthardheavy

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ok do these people know how stupid they look? Back when yellow ribbons were fashionable (1-2 yrs ago), I would see them on Suburbans and Navigators and the like. Are the owners trying to minimize their hidden guilt or just want to say to other drivers, 'hey look at me im a total hypocrit'
 
Its associated with military support. I don't have any idea WTF you're talking about.

And if you're worried about gas guzzling and global warming. we have another thread on that you may want to join :)
 
I think he may be saying it's the consumption of oil that is causing the wars and our involvement over seas...I guess.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I think he may be saying it's the consumption of oil that is causing the wars and our involvement over seas...I guess.
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But, that's not hypocritical. They're supporting their military for fighting for their right to gas guzzling vehicles. If we weren't there, we'd all have to drive those ghey hybrids :lol:
 
Can one of you guys fill me in - what's the yellow ribbons? I'm guessing it is a local phenom, I don't see it here in Toronto.

P.S. Jayhawk, no worries on my part for closing the related thread. You gotta follow the gut ;)
 
Yep, Same here in Texas... Yellow ribbons show support for our troops.. Guess if thats being a total hypocrit... Then there are alot of them here in Texas.. As for Big SUV's.... I don't have one, but I do have a Big Ford F-250 with a 7.3 liter diesel engine in it.. Guess since I haul my family in it plus tow my jeep and trailer around, I am one as well. Don't have a yellow ribbon on mine, But I do support my family members that are over there fighting, and and I also support and Pray for all the others that are over there fighting as well.
 
Oil is what supports the terrorists folks. The terrorists are funded by big oil Mideast countries like Saudi Arabia and folks in the UAE.

Having a yellow ribbon on a gas-guzzler is like having an anti-gang violence sticker on a crackpipe.


i.e. these folks "support our troops" but fund our enemies.
 
People gotta live no matter what they drive. If it wasn't an SUV it'd be a Motorcycle or something of the like. If any of you EVEN knew of how much gas and diesel is wasted by the military each day you'd sh*t yourself. Literally, your boxers would be streaming with brown icky. The military itself contributes to the same problem. Truly, F*ck the Terrorists. F*ck the UAE, Saudi, all the Oil Family Royalists, and F*ck all the mother f*ckers that wanna talk **** about the Military. F*ck em.
 
Hey, that's not right. Some gas guzzlers run on alternative fuel like E-85 and our buddy Mr. E-lectricity. Love ya man!!
 
Even alot of your electric cars have a gas powered engine to get them going, or to help with the re charging..

If we want to be stupid about the whole deal, then we better stop mowing our lawns, as well as hauling food back and forth by semi's, We all better stop and think about all the things we use each day that use gas. Alot of homes use natural gas..
Guess they are stupid as well.
Gotta make sure when you go on vacation that you don't drive or fly.. Better break out the old horse and buggy again.

The factories that build these electric cars.. Trust me.. They use some form of oil or gas in that factory to..

So you see. Until we get off of our butts here and start drilling, and tell the greenies to get off of our backs, we will have to rely on other countries for our oil and gas. The enviromantalist have alot of pull, and they have stopped alot of companies from drilling, because we might do something to the enviroment. Alsaka is a resourse that has a butt load of oil, but we have had our hands tied behind our backs by the enviromentalist who do not want us to drill there.

So if by driving a vehicle that uses oil or gas, or by using our lawn mowers, or by eatting the food that the semis bring to us and the goods that the ships bring to our country from over seas makes us a terrorist supporter.. Then we would all be guilty huh....... Stop and think about it..
 
Stinger124 said:
Even alot of your electric cars have a gas powered engine to get them going, or to help with the re charging..

If we want to be stupid about the whole deal, then we better stop mowing our lawns, as well as hauling food back and forth by semi's, We all better stop and think about all the things we use each day that use gas. Alot of homes use natural gas..
Guess they are stupid as well.
Gotta make sure when you go on vacation that you don't drive or fly.. Better break out the old horse and buggy again.

The factories that build these electric cars.. Trust me.. They use some form of oil or gas in that factory to..

So you see. Until we get off of our butts here and start drilling, and tell the greenies to get off of our backs, we will have to rely on other countries for our oil and gas. The enviromantalist have alot of pull, and they have stopped alot of companies from drilling, because we might do something to the enviroment. Alsaka is a resourse that has a butt load of oil, but we have had our hands tied behind our backs by the enviromentalist who do not want us to drill there.

So if by driving a vehicle that uses oil or gas, or by using our lawn mowers, or by eatting the food that the semis bring to us and the goods that the ships bring to our country from over seas makes us a terrorist supporter.. Then we would all be guilty huh....... Stop and think about it..
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Natural gas is different from the petroleum based gas you are talking about.
 
Yes it is, But it is still something that we all rely on. Not sure how much if any we depend on from other countries. If any at all. But our natural gas prices are going up as well as the oil prices... It all comes together.. Its all oil field related. I worked in the oil field for many yrs, and that is one thing that I do know.
 
I've noticed alot of other things have gone up in price. For example milk. I'm paying more for milk than I ever have. It costs money to transport products, and transportation requires gas. It's not only at the pump we're feeling it.
 
Just a note about electric cars. They are pure electric. If anything, gas powered cars could benefit from using an electric motor to start up. Why? Because the torque curve on an electric motor is insane. It spikes almost immediately. That's why eletric motors do not require multiple gears. Electric cars have no transmission thus they are actually simpler and cheaper to build and require less maintenance.

They aren't popular because of battery technology still being in the dark ages and because while electric motors have fast acceleration from 0-15, the torque curve falls off very very quickly, so they have absolute crap high end pickup.

Anyway, sorry to go offtopic.


Back to the subject: the idea here is, try to use as little gas as possible. Another thing one can do is make sure you are getting gas from the right company; a company that doesn't get its gas from the Middle East. I get mine from Citgo; all their gas is from Venezuela. Some folks may not like Chavez, but to me he doesn't seem like such a bad guy for a dictator. Heck of a lot better than sending money to the Saudis. As for US oil execs, I dont' like those scumbags either. Haven't seen them do one positive thing. Chavez at least has offered free healthcare to not only his entire country, but many latinos in the southern US as well.
 
If I am right, there are electric cars that do run off of gas as well as electric. Once they get low on electricity, the gas motor turns on, and runs the car while also charging the battery.
I totally agree with you on buying your gas from someone like Citgo, not the other companies. Plus it pisses me off that the companies here in the USA are breaking it off in our butts all the while they are getting richer than the rich should be. Over 4 billoin I think just in the last quarter alone in profit. They are making it where the middle and lower income people have to really struggle and or just plain do without things all the while they are getting richer and richer.
 
Stinger124 said:
If I am right, there are electric cars that do run off of gas as well as electric. Once they get low on electricity, the gas motor turns on, and runs the car while also charging the battery.
I totally agree with you on buying your gas from someone like Citgo, not the other companies. Plus it pisses me off that the companies here in the USA are breaking it off in our butts all the while they are getting richer than the rich should be. Over 4 billoin I think just in the last quarter alone in profit. They are making it where the middle and lower income people have to really struggle and or just plain do without things all the while they are getting richer and richer.
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The cars you are talking about are hybrids, not electric. The way a hybrid works is at slower speeds it uses an electric motor. At higher speeds it switches back to the ICE. On top of that, the brakes on a hybrid are regenerative. That means the car uses the breaks to recharge the battery for the electric motor. This is very effective for city traffic where you have a lot of stop and go. It is why hybrids get better gas mileage in the city than on the highway. Also note that because of the regerative breaking system, they never need to be plugged in to recharge.


People like hybrids better because they have none of the negatives of electric cars (short cruising distance, having to be plugged in), they have better high-end acceleration than eletric cars too. They have FAR better gas mileage than regular cars do. HOWEVER, the maintenance on them is more costly because you have all the maintenance costs of a standard car, plus an extremely expensive battery. On top of that, while they get better pickup than an electric car, they are still slower than regular cars for the most part.
 
What we need, is a car that runs on the bull**** that comes out of politician's mouths. Because it's obvious a completely renewable resource and there's an overabundance of it, it would make a wonderful alternative to gasoline.

BV
 
Here at our company, Our VP told us if we wanted a good stock tip, he said Hydrogen cars would be the way to go, and from what I have been seeing, they are working on it.. They even showed us a film on it. Our company is having something to do with the developement on it, but not sure what.

Only problem I see, is if it crashes and explodes. I have seen first hand what a small expolsion will do, we had one here in our plant about 3 or 4 yrs ago. Crazy stuff... But no emissions, It emits water.. Could be in the future.. Who knows..
 
Yeah...hydrogen needs to be ridiculously compressed to be fit into a gas tank and provide a similar amount of energy to cars that gasoline provides.

I don't remember the calculations exactly, but I remember back in general chemistry we did the calculations and it came out to be like 100,000 liters of hydrogen at standard pressure would need to be compressed into a 35 liter gas tank, lol. I can only imagine what crashes would be like!
 
I don't remember the calculations exactly, but I remember back in general chemistry we did the calculations and it came out to be like 100,000 liters of hydrogen at standard pressure would need to be compressed into a 35 liter gas tank, lol. I can only imagine what crashes would be like!
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I can only imagine this technology would be viable if they either found a way to make the fuel cell indestructible in typical crash environment, or have all travel on high-speed roads controlled via GPS & computers. And that's a ways off for sure.

BV
 
BigVrunga said:
I can only imagine this technology would be viable if they either found a way to make the fuel cell indestructible in typical crash environment, or have all travel on high-speed roads controlled via GPS & computers. And that's a ways off for sure.

BV
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It's currently cost effective and the oil industry is not going to give up it's billions in profit to switch over to some fancy-schmancy new nerdy bio-gas. (That's how they'd say it too)
Haha...
 
Yeah, But they are already doing it.. Actually have been testing a few of them. Who knows.. Could be the thing of the future. I know I would be a lot more careful when driving though.:icon_lol:
 
Wow, I'm surprised no one has yet corrected the mistakes made regarding "hydrogen" cars.

The "hydrogen" cars of which your boss speaks are HYDROGEN FUEL CELL cars. There is no hydrogen gas in them. They do not work via combustion, they are electric motors that use hydrogen fuel cells for batteries. Hydrogen fuel cells generate electricity via a process known as electrolysis. The used up fuel in the fuel cell becomes water. Fuel cells are not combustable. I repeat, NOT combustable. Additionally, a tremendous amount of energy can be stored in them. The fuel cells can be recharged via a number of methods. The current cars in development will use methane. i.e. gas pumps will soon also have a natural gas pump for fuel cell cars.

However, NASA (you know that agency that everyone seems to mistakenly think is a waste) has developed a much more revolutionary system. Here's the backround on it...

There was a NASA project called Helios. The objective was to break the unmanned altitude record for a plane. The project had a total budget of 6 million. They created a plane that not only broke the altitude record but it is also capabel of flying continuously for 6 months straight. When it lands, it is not to refuel, it's only for mechanical maintenance. It NEVER runs out of fuel. Why? What does it run on? It runs on a hydrogen fuel cell. However, instead of using methane to recharge, it uses water. The fuel cell exhausts water, and then the water is run through a special kind of solar cell which instead of directly generating electricity, it simply uses the water to recharge the fuel cell. This is far far more efficient use of solar cells than using them to generate electricity directly. The only thing left to do is further development on that type of solar cell technology to compress it better. Once that happens, it will be viable for cars and trucks. Then you'll have cars and trucks that never need to refuel.

This is a technology that would not have been developed for many decades if not longer were it not for NASA. It's so funny that everyone thinks of NASA is just being about space exploration, but fail to see the myriad of inventions and discoveries that have helped improve our lives that were a side effect of those attempts at space exploration. Microwaves are another good example.


Anyway, sorry, got sidetracked again.

So, there are technologies in the works that can be perfectly viable alternatives to gasoline. Oh, and another benefit of fuel cells: they are dirt cheap, unlike batteries for electric cars (which can run around $5000 each).
 
Good post Nulli. Excuse my ignorance :D

I'm gonna go jumpkick my general chem teacher in the teeth for making me try to pack hydrogen gas into a highly combustible concentration....that ******* :mad:

:)
 
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