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X-Tren or P-Mag

ebaydan777

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ok so im very indecisive on which to go with..looking to throw about 10-15 lbs on and this is my first cycle that isnt a normal supplement

i hear many good things about CEL x-tren but im really worried about the side effects, mainly Gyno and even hair thinning...i know that Clomid is the best PCT to take however im finding it very hard to find it, and very hard to trust the online sources im getting seeing most are from India...i just dont know how legit they are. I hear an OTC PCT isnt good news for tren either

however i do want the same kind of gains and was looking at CEL P-mag, which seems to be pretty popular i guess, and an OTC PCT such as CEL's PCT Assist with SAN Attitude would do the trick?

i would like some really helpful responses, if P-Mag will give me the same kind of bulking gains as CEL X-Tren would, or should i continue to try and find some clomid for x-tren or trust some of these indian sites.

Let me know thanks!
Daniel
 
As long as your BF% isn't too high and you run an AI you shouldn't get gyno. If you may be prone, up the AI dosage. Perhaps some prami or caber as well in case of prolactin problems.

For the people who don't know, hair loss, baldness, thinning, etc doesn't come from your paternal (dad's) side of the family at all. Those genetics come from your maternal grandfather. So, look at your mother's father. If he is bald, you're in trouble. I am a LITTLE susceptible to male pattern baldness so I also get Nizoral Shampoo (not the stuff from the store, the PRESCRIBED stuff). It works wonders!

I don't know the most about PHs, but I do like CEL's PCT Assist, somewhat. The ingredients are great; however, the dosages are kind of small. Get some Hawthorn berry, milk thistle, dandelion root, and Liv52 and that will be MORE than enough. ;)
 
Ran the 19-Nor, , at minimum doses and never had a problem, never used anything other than OTC for PCT, never used a serm either. The key is to keep doses low, and cycle short. Emphasize, diet and training, rather than type or amount of pseudo-androgen. JMO, hope that helps you.
 
i went to t u n e d s p o r t s.com to get all my info, and just says P-Mag doesnt really need more than an OTC PCT like CEL PCT Assist and SAN Attitude for a 5 week cycle of P-Mag

with tren, ive been given a website to buy the clomid, and wanted to take something called P-5-P for the potential of progestrin...not sure if anyone heres heard of it.

if i can continue to get some feedback, im leaning P-Mag but not sure if itll bulk as much as tren and if OTC is still safe for it or if i should just say f*ck it and take the tren haha
 
I think that if you're in a "**** it" type of mind-set, you should'nt even be ****ing around with anything and that includes weight training. GTFO!
 
its a joke homie take a breather, dont let the roids get to your head my man

its a legitimate question, clomid and nolva arent the easiest to get in hand and i dont want trouble with the law

thats what im considering p-mag honestly as a first cycle...i wanted to see what a good OTC PCT would be...and if nolva is required for this or if its safe to just go OTC?
 
As I said, keep doses low, caloric intake high, the TRS from PP will suit your needs for PCT. Regardless of what you choose. JMO
 
it is pretty common for new guys to get flamed responses. Don't let it get you down, just keep askin and eventually some one will be helpful.Ok so with that said:19-nor products are extremly effective.I cant speak to the other compound your considering,But the x-tren will do the job.as far as hair loss I am fairly certain it wont be an issue with tren.the gyno that is seen with tren usually comes as a prolactin side,not an estro-binding problem.as far as pct goes get the clolmid or better yet get some torem. The internet is amazing and you can find things for research purposes only(not ileagle).NOW FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!!!!DO LOTS AND LOTS OF RESEARCH!!!! good luck Brah!
 
for the tren most definitetly get a serm for that gyno, and some reversitol and a solid t-booster and your on cycle supports and you should be good money, i ran an epi/tren stack about two years ago and gained 15lbs but took awhile for libido to bounce back. so as long as you stay on top of that and watch for that gyno you'll be alright. good luck my dude and keep it pushin
 
i from the clomid from some site but i guess it ships out of india? its cheap as dirt so thats why im stressin over it..

then i found CEL's P-Mag which basically requires CEL Cycle Assist and CEL PTC Assist along with SAN Attitude...the only reason i favor this stack is because i can find any one of these products in a store...while tren is more expensive but also more difficult to get a hold of along with PCT....

if anyone can help a brother out let me know about P-Mag and any major things i should watch for AND ESPECIALLY IF I NEED NOLVA OR NOT..thatd be the most appreciated..ive studied for days already and my head already hurts it seems like everyone goes back and forth...
 
you could go either way ebayden truly, but your gonna have to go all out and purchase way more pct supps if you go otc where as if you go with a solid serm you should be good money with just that and a solid t-booster. and honestly serms aren't that expensive, it actually saves you a few dollars down the line. but you could go either way and recoupe just fine, it's your call. i feel you about your head hurting from doing all the research before starting and deciding on which supplement to take for a cycle:thinkerg::::scratchchin::cussing::confused:lol
 
ebaydan777 said:
... its a legitimate question, clomid and nolva arent the easiest to get in hand and i dont want trouble with the law

thats what im considering p-mag honestly as a first cycle...i wanted to see what a good OTC PCT would be...and if nolva is required for this or if its safe to just go OTC?
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Nolva and Clomid is very easy to get a hold of man. The law isn't worried about your few hundred mg of clomid. They are more after the dealers. I have had stuff picked up by customs SEVERAL times. They just send you a "don't do it again" letter. No biggie. Remember, the first side effect of PH/AAS use is paranoia. :fing02:

suresha said:
for the tren most definitetly get a serm for that gyno, ...
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Tren can cause gyno from prolactin problems. SERMs will not fight against that. For prolactin problems you will need a prolactin antagonist, such as prami or caber.

ebaydan777 said:
i from the clomid from some site but i guess it ships out of india? its cheap as dirt so thats why im stressin over it.. ...
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Just because it ships out of India and is cheap doesn't mean it isn't legit.
 
There are legit US based "research chemical" sites you can purchase from and it is not illeagal to possess them, since they are strictly for research purposes for your furry friends. Google is your friend.
 
Clomid tablets are NOT a controlled substance therefore I have read you can have some of them for personal use even if you do have to have a script....you can get them legally
 
can anyone on here explain how the ml works on oral liquid vs tablets with clomid?

my PCT day after Tren with clomid would be 75/50/50/25 in tablets
how would i relate that to a liquid when it says solution: 60ml, clomid: 50mg/ml, 3000ml total solution
 
ebaydan777 said:
can anyone on here explain how the ml works on oral liquid vs tablets with clomid?

my PCT day after Tren with clomid would be 75/50/50/25 in tablets
how would i relate that to a liquid when it says solution: 60ml, clomid: 50mg/ml, 3000ml total solution
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Use math man..

If 1ml = 50mg of clomid, then 1.5ml = 75mg clomid, and 0.5ml = 25mg clomid.

Start > All Programs > Accessories > Calculator :fing02:
 
and most these sources ive been looking up are oral correct, not injectible, for the clomid...

ive found some sources from google and other forums that go to some places so im just asking
 
for a first cycle, p-mag is a better option than xtren, IMO

Clomid is ORAL not injectable!
 
heres my layout for the P-Mag

* Week 1-2: Pre-load Cycle Support or Life Support @ Bottle Recommended dosages.
* Week 2: Cycle Support or Life Support | P-Mag 50mg
* Week 3-6: Cycle/Life Support | P-Mag 75mg
* Week 6-8: Cycle/Life Support | Nolvadex 20mg | Lean Xtreme.
* Week 8-10: Cycle/Life Support | Nolvadex 10mg | Lean Xtreme.

the Cycle/Life Support consists of: "Hawthorn Berry (BP), NAC (liver), Milk Thistle (liver), Saw Palmetto (prostate) among others."

now, the CEL Cycle Support goes at 240 caps per bottle, 8 times a day, this schedule says to do about 10-11 weeks worth (pre-load and with PCT)...thats over 600 pills, thats about $90 just in the cycle support...would it be cheaper to buy stuff seperatly or?
 
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