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X Factor ARA...

Jay888999

Jay888999

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..JUST found out about this today.Did my googling and investigating,but still looking for feed back.

My basic questions are :
-has anyone expierienced any sort of sides?
-what is the proper dosing per day(how many pills) ?
- is there a prefered time of day to take this?
-Whats the length (days)of time you should take this product/supp to see maximum effects?
-what would u stack this with,all natural products?

When i take this im not going to run it alone.Was thinking something along the lines of Activate,ErasePro or Ape,DAA & ARA..along with Anavite,fish and flax oils,Craze/ super pump maxx/ synedrex (fat burner)..

Store where i buy all my bb supps from has this product and its also slightly cheaper on nutraplanet.So i can get it right away.. they sell it in 2 diff size bottles.One bottle contains 60 pills and the other bottle contains 100 pills.. so anyone who has expierience with this please give me some info.

Thank you,
Jay
 
the consensus among the ArA board specialists was that Xfactor original was the best of the two (the 60 cap bottle)....and dosing should be 4 caps on workout day only....stacked with LCLT....and whatever other natty supp you want to include really. I started saturday and will run it for 7-8 weeks, until the bottles run out (2 of them).
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:
the consensus among the ArA board specialists was that Xfactor original was the best of the two (the 60 cap bottle)....and dosing should be 4 caps on workout day only....stacked with LCLT....and whatever other natty supp you want to include really. I started saturday and will run it for 7-8 weeks, until the bottles run out (2 of them).
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^^^ This. Get the Original version and dose 4 caps pre-workout with GMS and Carnitine (I believe there is LCLT in Superpump Max if you decide to use that). Get more than one bottle of the 60 cap Original and don't worry about dosing on off days.

Honestly no need to go crazy and stack it with a ton of things. ArA is very effective on its own.
 
bolt10 said:
^^^ This. Get the Original version and dose 4 caps pre-workout with GMS and Carnitine (I believe there is LCLT in Superpump Max if you decide to use that). Get more than one bottle of the 60 cap Original and don't worry about dosing on off days.

Honestly no need to go crazy and stack it with a ton of things. ArA is very effective on its own.
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see I remember what you guys tell me LMFAO :D...I didn't include the GMS with mine, but I know you guys recommended it. still feels weird taking it WO days only though.....
 
bolt10 said:
^^^ This. Get the Original version and dose 4 caps pre-workout with GMS and Carnitine (I believe there is LCLT in Superpump Max if you decide to use that). Get more than one bottle of the 60 cap Original and don't worry about dosing on off days.

Honestly no need to go crazy and stack it with a ton of things. ArA is very effective on its own.
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Thnx bolt & thanks Warbirdw...
So ill be picking up 2-60 count bottles and taking 4 pre workout and only on training days..I have a bottle of Halotropin @ home,so ill just use that with the Ara... Ill also pick up a bottle of L-Carnitine...what is LCLT (L Taurine & L Carnitine)& Gms? I probably know but not familiar with the abbreviation.
 
Jay888999 said:
Thnx bolt & thanks Warbirdw...
So ill be picking up 2-60 count bottles and taking 4 pre workout and only on training days..I have a bottle of Halotropin @ home,so ill just use that with the Ara... Ill also pick up a bottle of L-Carnitine...what is LCLT (L Taurine & L Carnitine)& Gms? I probably know but not familiar with the abbreviation.
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LCLT= L-Carnitine L-Tartarate. Just a specific form of L-carnitine but any form should be fine.
GMS= Glycerol Monostearate.
 
There is also 1G of LCLT in the Anavite! I hear that it is best to take 1G LCLT with your preworkout dose of XF. Another idea I like is going with iForce Compete as an intra (which has 1G of LCLT as well as another gram of another form of Carnitine as well).

I'm actually running a log of both XF and Test Factor Advanced on another forum. Just finished 3 bottles of the original XF and I have to say that I was impressed. I was able to eat a lot more and still stay nice and lean. Probably due to the reported increase in protein synthesis that ArA is supposed to help with. I have also noticed a significant increase in weight and # of reps for most of my lifts. Nothing too crazy but they definitely jumped up quicker on XF than when I wasn't on it.

The XF stacked with a test booster seems to make gains come a lot easier as well. Body Comp has been stupid easy to maintain and if I were trying to cut I feel like it would have been soooo easy to drop a few BF %'s.

I know my reps and posts aren't too high but that's because I just started getting involved here. I was way more active elsewhere first and now I'm finally broadening my online forum horizons. so hopefully I contributed at least a little helpful info that I've gathered over the last two months of using OG XF ;)
 
ayanes35 said:
There is also 1G of LCLT in the Anavite! I hear that it is best to take 1G LCLT with your preworkout dose of XF. Another idea I like is going with iForce Compete as an intra (which has 1G of LCLT as well as another gram of another form of Carnitine as well).

I'm actually running a log of both XF and Test Factor Advanced on another forum. Just finished 3 bottles of the original XF and I have to say that I was impressed. I was able to eat a lot more and still stay nice and lean. Probably due to the reported increase in protein synthesis that ArA is supposed to help with. I have also noticed a significant increase in weight and # of reps for most of my lifts. Nothing too crazy but they definitely jumped up quicker on XF than when I wasn't on it.

The XF stacked with a test booster seems to make gains come a lot easier as well. Body Comp has been stupid easy to maintain and if I were trying to cut I feel like it would have been soooo easy to drop a few BF %'s.

I know my reps and posts aren't too high but that's because I just started getting involved here. I was way more active elsewhere first and now I'm finally broadening my online forum horizons. so hopefully I contributed at least a little helpful info that I've gathered over the last two months of using OG XF ;)
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Dude,i been training for a while ,as consistant as poaaible for about 7yrs and just decided to join forums..I just felt like joining cause im at a point where i wanna start supping and supping right and well these boards have some smart and knowledgeable dudes...so its worth it. So new poster or not dont mean you dont know your ****.Thnx for the advice man...
 
bolt10 said:
LCLT= L-Carnitine L-Tartarate. Just a specific form of L-carnitine but any form should be fine.
GMS= Glycerol Monostearate.
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Bolt has it all right in this thread. 4 XF plus LCLT (or a comparable Carnitine source - I am using ALCAR) and GMS. I am running X-Gels right now taken pwo with GlycerGrow (GMS) and Clout (good pwo with ALCAR). If I could start from scratch, I would consider going with the new Protocol from Genomyx as my LCLT source along with other goodies such as Agamatine, Leucine, etc.
 
I like LCLT as the preferred source of carnitine since it pairs well with other supps (esp PH's)...plus it doesn't keep me up at night and over stimulate me like ALC or PLC....
 
Dewey99 said:
Bolt has it all right in this thread. 4 XF plus LCLT (or a comparable Carnitine source - I am using ALCAR) and GMS. I am running X-Gels right now taken pwo with GlycerGrow (GMS) and Clout (good pwo with ALCAR). If I could start from scratch, I would consider going with the new Protocol from Genomyx as my LCLT source along with other goodies such as Agamatine, Leucine, etc.
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Dewey,is your gms from controlled labs?ill look into protocols genomyx.... Just by reasing Bolts post it seems legit,lol..when i get going i plan on following exactly what he said...when i supp ara...
 
Jay888999 said:
Dewey,is your gms from controlled labs?ill look into protocols genomyx.... Just by reasing Bolts post it seems legit,lol..when i get going i plan on following exactly what he said...when i supp ara...
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Yes, my GMS is GlycerGrow from Controlled Labs. It's pretty cheap at less than $30 for 120 workouts worth. The new Protocol wasn't released when I started my log (it's just coming out now) but it is a solid option for this kind of stack. I think it can be had for about $25 on intro pricing and that gives you 30 servings (if you use two scoops) with each serving containing almost 7g of Leucine, 2g LCLT, 2g COP, and 500mg of Agmatine. The pumps on that stack would be almost too much to take!
 
Dewey99 said:
Yes, my GMS is GlycerGrow from Controlled Labs. It's pretty cheap at less than $30 for 120 workouts worth. The new Protocol wasn't released when I started my log (it's just coming out now) but it is a solid option for this kind of stack. I think it can be had for about $25 on intro pricing and that gives you 30 servings (if you use two scoops) with each serving containing almost 7g of Leucine, 2g LCLT, 2g COP, and 500mg of Agmatine. The pumps on that stack would be almost too much to take!
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Originally I wanted to run the new Protocol + Glycergrow w/ my ArA. Unfortunately I didn't wait long enough so I am using Compete instead for my Carnitine source (and extras).

Regardless I am picking up some of the new protocol while it is on sale. :cool:

/endderail
 
CougarPride said:
Where can you buy the original XF? Just wonderin
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It is a little harder to find (I know nutra is out of it right now), but google a good way to search around as the 60ct bottles are available in some places.
 
CougarPride said:
Where can you buy the original XF? Just wonderin
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Jay888999 said:
Thnx bolt & thanks Warbirdw...
So ill be picking up 2-60 count bottles and taking 4 pre workout and only on training days..I have a bottle of Halotropin @ home,so ill just use that with the Ara... Ill also pick up a bottle of L-Carnitine...what is LCLT (L Taurine & L Carnitine)& Gms? I probably know but not familiar with the abbreviation.
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How long is a recommended cycle? I know it used to be 50 days, but that was when ArA was new and it was also dosed every day. What is the idea behind only dosing it on workout days? Is there really no benefit to dosing on off days? Are the effects of ArA really that strong that taking 1g preworkout on workout days ONLY is ALL that is needed? Can you take this 8 weeks with no sides? I'll be doing more reading on this in the coming weeks. I sort of never really got into ArA supplementation, but have been revisiting the idea lately and I would really like to run some in October.
 
BurghHardcore said:
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How long is a recommended cycle? I know it used to be 50 days, but that was when ArA was new and it was also dosed every day. What is the idea behind only dosing it on workout days? Is there really no benefit to dosing on off days? Are the effects of ArA really that strong that taking 1g preworkout on workout days ONLY is ALL that is needed? Can you take this 8 weeks with no sides? I'll be doing more reading on this in the coming weeks. I sort of never really got into ArA supplementation, but have been revisiting the idea lately and I would really like to run some in October.
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I personally prefer shorter and higher dosed cycles (1.5-2g only on workout days 4-6 weeks). Dosing only on workout days can extend the life of a bottle, but I still would prefer 6-8 weeks as the longest run I would do.

On workout days and preworkout only is to maximize the usage of the ArA. Google maximizing ArA in skeletal muscle if you want to find a more scientific reasoning (or ask and either myself or someone else can offer a more in depth answer if you want one), but in general we want to maximize ArA usage and the pre-workout dosing achieves this.
 
I think all this talk on this site caused OG XF to be sold out on NP :D.....They were in stock forever, then I finally ordered some recently....and now they are out of stock.
 
bolt10 said:
I personally prefer shorter and higher dosed cycles (1.5-2g only on workout days 4-6 weeks). Dosing only on workout days can extend the life of a bottle, but I still would prefer 6-8 weeks as the longest run I would do.

On workout days and preworkout only is to maximize the usage of the ArA. Google maximizing ArA in skeletal muscle if you want to find a more scientific reasoning (or ask and either myself or someone else can offer a more in depth answer if you want one), but in general we want to maximize ArA usage and the pre-workout dosing achieves this.
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Once again Bolt and I are on the same page here. I am running 2g ArA pwo only, 5 days a week. I am only doing a 5 week cycle.
 
bolt10 said:
I personally prefer shorter and higher dosed cycles (1.5-2g only on workout days 4-6 weeks). Dosing only on workout days can extend the life of a bottle, but I still would prefer 6-8 weeks as the longest run I would do.

On workout days and preworkout only is to maximize the usage of the ArA. Google maximizing ArA in skeletal muscle if you want to find a more scientific reasoning (or ask and either myself or someone else can offer a more in depth answer if you want one), but in general we want to maximize ArA usage and the pre-workout dosing achieves this.
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Thank for the response. I would imagine 6-8 weeks would be optimal (and the longest I would go as well). If you think, back then it was recommended for 50 day cycles (50 days = approx 7 weeks). That was taking EVERY DAY. Now, if you're taking only pre-workout on w/o days, then you'd have to think that 6-8 weeks would be not only fine, but 8 weeks would be optimal.
 
Dewey99 said:
Once again Bolt and I are on the same page here. I am running 2g ArA pwo only, 5 days a week. I am only doing a 5 week cycle.
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What's making you do 5 weeks? Personal preference? Never ran before and what to see what happens before doing anything longer? Money or a longer cycle being cost prohibitive?
 
To the dude looking for XFactor Ara..go to "Natural Body inc" on google and go to the web site should pop up..thats where i get my supps,its also a walk in store..im fortunate enough, its like 20 mins from my apt..but its all legit bro...
 
BurghHardcore said:
What's making you do 5 weeks? Personal preference? Never ran before and what to see what happens before doing anything longer? Money or a longer cycle being cost prohibitive?
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I do have some time constraints (shoulder surgery 2 weeks from today), but that wasn't the major factor. I opted for the 5 week cycle because I wanted to really hit it hard with a 2g/day dose and figured 5 weeks was just about right after conferring with someone I trust very much on the subject. It can get costly to run for extended periods though.
 
Dewey99 said:
I do have some time constraints (shoulder surgery 2 weeks from today), but that wasn't the major factor. I opted for the 5 week cycle because I wanted to really hit it hard with a 2g/day dose and figured 5 weeks was just about right after conferring with someone I trust very much on the subject. It can get costly to run for extended periods though.
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Makes sense. Thanks
 
Dewey99 said:
I do have some time constraints (shoulder surgery 2 weeks from today), but that wasn't the major factor. I opted for the 5 week cycle because I wanted to really hit it hard with a 2g/day dose and figured 5 weeks was just about right after conferring with someone I trust very much on the subject. It can get costly to run for extended periods though.
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this protocol is gms?
 
Dewey99 said:
Not sure I understand the question. Protocol is a new product from Genomyx. I am not using it as it has just started with pre-sales. The GMS I am using is GlycerGrow from CL.
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ok i was confused.... protocol,what is it? I thought it was a new gms product you were looking to get.
 
Jay888999 said:
ok i was confused.... protocol,what is it? I thought it was a new gms product you were looking to get.
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NEW Protocol Supplement Facts

Serving Size: 2 Scoops (8.5 g)
Servings per Container: 60


Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
L-Leucine 3.25 g **
L-Carnitine L-Tartarate 1 g **
Creatinol-O Phospate 1 g **
Agmatine Sulfate 250 mg **
 
This question is specifically for BOLT & DEWEY.............

right now im on a lower calorie diet and been for a few months.maintaining appx 1800-2000 cals a day,compared to my bulking diet which i try n stay at no less than 3000 and usually get up to 3500...Question is being the glycer grow has plenty of fats and ill be stacking with L-Carnitine,what kind of diet should I mantain?

carbs are also low for me at this moment.But always no matter what have a starchy carb post workout,that will never change...

should i keep to my 2000 calorie diet or up it?
 
Jay888999 said:
This question is specifically for BOLT & DEWEY.............

right now im on a lower calorie diet and been for a few months.maintaining appx 1800-2000 cals a day,compared to my bulking diet which i try n stay at no less than 3000 and usually get up to 3500...Question is being the glycer grow has plenty of fats and ill be stacking with L-Carnitine,what kind of diet should I mantain?

carbs are also low for me at this moment.But always no matter what have a starchy carb post workout,that will never change...

should i keep to my 2000 calorie diet or up it?
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GlycerGrown has plenty of fats??? Did the formula change or something? I can't look it up at the moment (I'm at work), but I'd be willing to be you're looking at the wrong product if you see something with "plenty of fats"....unless the formula changed for some reason.
 
Jay888999 said:
This question is specifically for BOLT & DEWEY.............

right now im on a lower calorie diet and been for a few months.maintaining appx 1800-2000 cals a day,compared to my bulking diet which i try n stay at no less than 3000 and usually get up to 3500...Question is being the glycer grow has plenty of fats and ill be stacking with L-Carnitine,what kind of diet should I mantain?

carbs are also low for me at this moment.But always no matter what have a starchy carb post workout,that will never change...

should i keep to my 2000 calorie diet or up it?
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3 scoops of GlycerGrow is only 54 calories and 6g of fat. You won't need to worry about that diet-wise. As far as whether you should alter your caloric intake if you run this stack, that's a personal decision. If you are looking to bulk, then you have to add calories above maintenance. If not, then you can stay where you are or go lower.
 
Dewey99 said:
3 scoops of GlycerGrow is only 54 calories and 6g of fat. You won't need to worry about that diet-wise. As far as whether you should alter your caloric intake if you run this stack, that's a personal decision. If you are looking to bulk, then you have to add calories above maintenance. If not, then you can stay where you are or go lower.
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ok cool man,idk i looked quick and i thought i saw fats and 4 scoops and didnt fully read the label ,sorry.

im nnot looking to cut or bulk...but my goal is to maintain a thickness,but as tight as possible,still have some BF to lose,but trying to maintain weight but stay tight...Thnx bro for the advice..i know what i need to do diet wise to achieve my goals...was just wondering if a stack like this u were to stay low on calories.

Also some one mentioned to me about not taking fish oils while on it?? does that sound odd to you?
 
Jay888999 said:
ok cool man,idk i looked quick and i thought i saw fats and 4 scoops and didnt fully read the label ,sorry.

im nnot looking to cut or bulk...but my goal is to maintain a thickness,but as tight as possible,still have some BF to lose,but trying to maintain weight but stay tight...Thnx bro for the advice..i know what i need to do diet wise to achieve my goals...was just wondering if a stack like this u were to stay low on calories.

Also some one mentioned to me about not taking fish oils while on it?? does that sound odd to you?
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Fish oils are a natural anti-inflammatory. ArA induces an inflammatory response. Taking fish oil or Cissus (or any anti-inflammatory) will counter what the ArA is doing for you. It's OK to take fish oils or joint supps when using ArA, just dose them away from your workouts.
 
Jay888999 said:
ok cool man,idk i looked quick and i thought i saw fats and 4 scoops and didnt fully read the label ,sorry.

im nnot looking to cut or bulk...but my goal is to maintain a thickness,but as tight as possible,still have some BF to lose,but trying to maintain weight but stay tight...Thnx bro for the advice..i know what i need to do diet wise to achieve my goals...was just wondering if a stack like this u were to stay low on calories.

Also some one mentioned to me about not taking fish oils while on it?? does that sound odd to you?
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From everything that I have heard/read you can and SHOULD still take your usual omega 3s (3g EPA/DHA combined) every day. Just dose away from your ArA dosing. Not a big deal. I workout in the mornings, so once I start ArA no more fish oil or Omega 3s for me in the morning w/ breakfast. I'll just start supplementing them with my last couple meals of the day.
 
Dewey99 said:
Fish oils are a natural anti-inflammatory. ArA induces an inflammatory response. Taking fish oil or Cissus (or any anti-inflammatory) will counter what the ArA is doing for you. It's OK to take fish oils or joint supps when using ArA, just dose them away from your workouts.
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ok awesome,thats what I was told as well.

one more question..im taking flax seed oil as well,should i cut that out?
 
Jay888999 said:
Same here bro..take my fish and flax oil before bed,always have,heard it was good for boosting natural test levels as well as burning fat..so always before bed
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on another note, in regards to your diet comments...I'm in the same boat, isn't it a damn shame grown ass men have to eat like birds and take in 1700-2K cals? WTF? its just not right man :D
 
mr.cooper69 said:
GMS emulsifies the ArA since dosing ArA without food doesn't exactly facilitate proper GI uptake. Consuming GMS with free-fatty acids also helps reverse the osmotic gradient that GMS creates at the myocyte.
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Thanks Coop for the informative answer!
 
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