Would it be worth the time if we made...

[Zero V]

An anabolics list = name+maker+ingredients+dosage.

I am seeing a crapload of products being listed and people saying "help" and then the people who have to help need to spend time running around to find info. I noticed this reading one of mooch's posts.

Was wondering if anyone would want to work with me to maybe make 1 huge list(of course with constant additions) that would have the Product name, manufacturer, ingredients, and dosage. Before I dump the time into this, would it even be wanted?

It could be organized in the first 3 posts with one being alphabetically of the name of the product, the second post being alphabetically by name of manufacture, and third by what kind if is(epi clone, max lmg clone, hybrid, tren, etc).

Good idea, bad idea, wast of time idea? I want feedback, I spend enough time reading up on all of these things, I wouldnt mind being useful. Yay or nay

 

[bigpapa]

hmm it is a good idea..but isnt there already one with basically all them on there already, with the originators and dosing? i could be wrong...i mean i think it would be helpful to put all the clones of all of these products in a list since a new one comes out everyday.

 

[suncloud]

it wouldn't be that hard to do with the AM sponsored ones, but all the clones out there would take some serious work. additionally, some of the companies change the product while keeping the name (finigenx), and it would be a nightmare to keep on top of that.

if you're willing to do it though......

 

[Zero V]

it wouldn't be that hard to do with the AM sponsored ones, but all the clones out there would take some serious work. additionally, some of the companies change the product while keeping the name (finigenx), and it would be a nightmare to keep on top of that.

if you're willing to do it though......

I mean i find weird names like halocore, monsterdrol, there is apparently one called jacked that is a clone spawn, which is in and of itself tren and epi lol. Mass Caps, sus500,testofen x.

Some crazy ones like Tren Bomb, and the new M15 coming out, etc.

I mean it would be a constant thing. But the countless hours I spend on AM at least could be put to good use ^.^ Plus it would just be one sexy list.

A universal reference sheet to WTF is this guy screaming HELP over lol.

It would take me a good week to get it ready though, and the first month would be involved with a bunch of editing of the posts making adjustments.

All I would want is input, corrections if i make a booboo(i probably will at least 1), and if someone catches something I havent seen, lemme know.

 

[suncloud]

I mean i find weird names like halocore, monsterdrol, there is apparently one called jacked that is a clone spawn, which is in and of itself tren and epi lol. Mass Caps, sus500,testofen x.

Some crazy ones like Tren Bomb, and the new M15 coming out, etc.

I mean it would be a constant thing. But the countless hours I spend on AM at least could be put to good use ^.^ Plus it would just be one sexy list.

A universal reference sheet to WTF is this guy screaming HELP over lol.

It would take me a good week to get it ready though, and the first month would be involved with a bunch of editing of the posts making adjustments.

All I would want is input, corrections if i make a booboo(i probably will at least 1), and if someone catches something I havent seen, lemme know.

i like it, though it sounds like too much work for me you'll get some mad reps from an updated master list like that though.

 

[Zero V]

i like it, though it sounds like too much work for me you'll get some mad reps from an updated master list like that though.

Reps shmeps. I just would like to see one nice list. Its definitely time for an update. Plus I like having the first 3 posts each being set up for a different way to look up the product. I could actually contribute for once to AM, other than being one of the local crazy guys who are definitely on here too much :laugh:

The added ease, reference, time saving, and confusion elimination effects of it would be all too worth the time. I guess I will start tomorrow after lifting and softball. Spending 4 out of 7 nights with insomnia might come in handy for once lol

 

[Zero V]

So...what would you think of a long char being posted that looked like this

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Its just an experimental run on trying to come up with a conceptual design of the layout, so I used AMS info. Used an excel spreadsheet then altered it into a JPEG and uploaded it to FB, though the full list might have to go on photobucket or something due to its likely large size.

Feedback? Trying to figure out how I wanna do this. And yeah I will try to solve the clarity issues. Maybe JPEG wasnt best format... Just a test anyhow.

I like making these things quality ^.^ If your gona do it, do it right!

 

[small_guy]

chart looks great! I would rather have them grouped by prohormone and not manufacture.

It would be good to have a methylated and non-methylated list.

 

[Thor94]

I LIKE IT ....

So...what would you think of a long char being posted that looked/

Its just an experimental run on trying to come up with a conceptual design of the layout, so I used AMS info. Used an excel spreadsheet then altered it into a JPEG and uploaded it to FB, though the full list might have to go on photobucket or something due to its likely large size.

Feedback? Trying to figure out how I wanna do this. And yeah I will try to solve the clarity issues. Maybe JPEG wasnt best format... Just a test anyhow.

I like making these things quality ^.^ If your gona do it, do it right!

and I think that it's a good idea, and I also think it is pretty cool of you to be willing to take the time to contribute the list without being asked. I for one would use that because I don't know enough about the PHs and what is in them and I think it would help. So I say THANK YOU.

 

[Zero V]

I would say ETA is < 2 weeks. There is a helluvalot of products out there. Clones and cocktails are the major portion of it.

 

[CanadianJuicy]

An anabolics list = name+maker+ingredients+dosage.

I am seeing a crapload of products being listed and people saying "help" and then the people who have to help need to spend time running around to find info. I noticed this reading one of mooch's posts.

Was wondering if anyone would want to work with me to maybe make 1 huge list(of course with constant additions) that would have the Product name, manufacturer, ingredients, and dosage. Before I dump the time into this, would it even be wanted?

It could be organized in the first 3 posts with one being alphabetically of the name of the product, the second post being alphabetically by name of manufacture, and third by what kind if is(epi clone, max lmg clone, hybrid, tren, etc).

Good idea, bad idea, wast of time idea? I want feedback, I spend enough time reading up on all of these things, I wouldnt mind being useful. Yay or nay

Thank You....Amazing Idea

 

[Zero V]

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I kinda got a fix for the fuzzyness issue, but it will take tweaking. That is mostly in the file format...

Testing out the new layout due to the fact that the colors were merging and although I trust people to be intelligent enough to notice the outline, i wanted to make it easier as well. Gotta figure this list will get pretty big considering I am going to include trash like things from G.E.T...... tis a shame

I enjoy excel plus have some classes or it before...like 2 years ago, bout time I put it to good use. Doing nothing else with my life ATM lol.

The final list in a post will be awesome. Not sure how long it will be. I am liking it so far. And finally found a way using excel to be able to just add as I go by placing each new product at the bottom, completing it, then cutting it and inserting it in its proper alphabetical location.

I am thinking the list doing it by manufacture Will be dumbed down to just the product name and company name. Then after locating it it would be simple to reference the first post and its chart.

Only thing I am hating is how to do these "proprietary blends" >.< jerks!

 

[Problem]

That will take alot of work wit all these products and companies out there.


goodluck tho

 

[Zero V]

Sry Test post...

I will do all other image tests on this post so it wont refresh the thread no more lol.

Image format sorting. finding what looks best.

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There we go, I figured out photobucket was compressing my image.

So the above image(as it is atm) is generally what the layout will be, but it will have the alternating colors once completed. Probably looking at a Bi-Weekly update once I post it. Generally I think new things wont be needed to be added all the time. But any input? Something that can be done better?

 

[Thor94]

Looks good to me.

 

[CanadianJuicy]

Love it. Thanks again

 

[mooch2321]

holy crap zero....you sure do have an a$$load of spare time.....but when finished this will be a great resource.....

 

[Zero V]

holy crap zero....you sure do have an a$$load of spare time.....but when finished this will be a great resource.....

Thanks

Not as much spare time as insomnia. This is something I just feel would be worth the time. I am finding clones and cocktails I didnt even know about. And a few that I wonder why in the heck would they be making this lol.

The only irritating part is trying to find the dosages or what is in some of these, some of the companies are pretty shady and it makes it hard and takes alot of research to find the compounds and dosages.

 

[AMTorres]

Zero, I'm leaving Iraq to go home in about a month and am looking for another stack to take and am trying to learn more info about a few products, this will be VERY helpful! Thanks bro!

 

[callaway]

hmm it is a good idea..but isnt there already one with basically all them on there already, with the originators and dosing? i could be wrong...i mean i think it would be helpful to put all the clones of all of these products in a list since a new one comes out everyday.

You are probably referring to this one. It has been around for awhile. Maybe it will help with the formulation of the new/improved list.

Methoxy-TST
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno/Methyl E/Epi-Max
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-30mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.

Pheraplex/Phera Vol
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.

Ergomax LMG
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.

Superdrol, SD Clones
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains. This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)

Methoxy-TRN (Trenadrol)
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 3mg (trenadrol is 30mg on bottle, however same deal)
Dosages: 1.5-6mg (trenadrol dosed 30mg - 90mg as high as 120mg)
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss, elevated blood pressure, aggression. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. Noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.

Halodrol-50, and Clones
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-4-ene-3,17 diol
Pill Size: 50mg
Dosages: 25-50mg
Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle. This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains. This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex/Testraflex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

Propadrol
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene / 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Non methyl status means that this product stacks well. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

Max LMG / Revolt
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains.


M-1,4ADD/AF Methyl-Stak
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

1,4 AD/Bold
Dosages: 300-600mg
Side effects: Mild, acne, oily skin, MASSIVELY INCREASED APPETITE.
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

Promagnon-25
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds.
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

Oxyguno
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

C_ :cheers:

 

[Zero V]

Its still got a good week till debute of Version 1. Not sure how many I will miss on a first pass. But like I said when I start a new thread with the complete list I will update it every other week by replacing the image with an updated one. First thing to be finished is what you see, then a company/product list. And finally the piece de resistance classifying them for what they are.

The second and third list are still a ways off.

Glad people like it.

Viva La Insomnia!

 

[rankbull]

wowww impressive!

subbed

 

[Zero V]

Still working on it ^.^ I apoligize for the wait

 

[mooch2321]

dammnit zero....quit plotting on killing politicians and lawyers and get this thing finished! have you petitioned for a sticky yet?

 

[Zero V]

dammnit zero....quit plotting on killing politicians and lawyers and get this thing finished! have you petitioned for a sticky yet?

But....the world would be soooo much better!

No I havent, didnt know I could do that. I will start a new thread with the first finished chart. I am hitting the store up in a bit for new food for the next few weeks. I will pop down tonight with a cup of green tea and make some headway, maybe even finish her up. Do you know how many random clones and cocktails there are, man....

How do I petition for a sticky?

 

[mooch2321]

i dunno....i just figured you could ask a mod...this would be a really helpful chart but it would be a pain in the ass if you had to search everytime you wanted it...

 

[masterX]

Great job Deadpool; your idea is superb. I support you.

My advice if you like:
-Classify ingredients so we can search which company dose more per dosage.
-Could make the Ph stacks in another section as it is kind special.
(We ld be able to see wich company dose more per dosage in their stack.)

It could help find out interrogations? why such company dose more for cheaper or else...

 

[Zero V]

Great job Deadpool; your idea is superb. I support you.

My advice if you like:
-Classify ingredients so we can search which company dose more per dosage.
-Could make the Ph stacks in another section as it is kind special.
(We ld be able to see wich company dose more per dosage in their stack.)

It could help find out interrogations? why such company dose more for cheaper or else...

Yeah sadly due to the death of my laptop it all halted for about 2 weeks. Apparently I got a jitter bug virus or something funky, fried my hard drives. Not before I evacuated all important data onto an external ^.^ Ever hear a laptop sound like a chainsaw.....yeah....twas mine. Got it redone, new hard drive, new OS, etc,etc Just installed windows office 2007 2 days ago. So NOW I can finish this up lol. Loong LONG long awaited for me to get it out.

And I still have to special order a fan for it...since thats fried too. My poor poor ancient laptop....by the power of greyskull!

 

[liftin4fun]

Great idea as many others already stated. Glad your doing and not me. Will read and show others too.

 

[Robb1212]

hey, Whats going on guys.. I'm new around here and the info is great.. I just bought Monsterdrol from Supplements911 at Just Add Muscle.. didn't see that one on the spreadsheet, anybody know if it was worth the buy?

 

[mooch2321]

hey, Whats going on guys.. I'm new around here and the info is great.. I just bought Monsterdrol from Supplements911 at Just Add Muscle.. didn't see that one on the spreadsheet, anybody know if it was worth the buy?

dammnit zero...you dont have monsterdrol....bro thats 25mgs of phera and 20 mgs max lmg per pill....wish it had more max lmg and less phera per pill but it should still be a sick run.....

 

[Zero V]

hey, Whats going on guys.. I'm new around here and the info is great.. I just bought Monsterdrol from Supplements911 at Just Add Muscle.. didn't see that one on the spreadsheet, anybody know if it was worth the buy?

Monsterdrol from Intense Neturiceuticals AKA Rockhard Formulations

17a-methyl-1, 4-androstadiene-3, 17-diol 25 mg,
13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2, 5(10)dien-17-one 20 mg,
4-hydroxandrostenedione 20mg,

Proprietary Liver Blend 180mg, Milk Thistle, N-acetyl cysteine, Dandelion Root Complete Absorption Matrix 50mg, DHB(6, 7-dihydroxybergamottin), Piper Longum Extract 5% Other Ingredients: Rice Flour, Magnesium Sterate


Its on my list, the list is not finished. I spent awhile without my laptop, will be up soon. Sry I am a lazy man....not really. Just challenged often by fate.

 

[Zero V]

dammnit zero...you dont have monsterdrol....bro thats 25mgs of phera and 20 mgs max lmg per pill....wish it had more max lmg and less phera per pill but it should still be a sick run.....

Its on there, its just on a flash drive. Rawr. Thats it its getting finished this week lol. Regardless of lifes BS

 

[Robb1212]

The monsterdrol I bought is not "Intense Neturiceuticals AKA Rockhard Formulations" its called Supplements 911. I bought it from JustAddMuscle.com is it all the same ?

 

[mooch2321]

^^^^^^i dunno...you tell us....does your bottle have the same ingredients that we listed?

 

[Zero V]

The monsterdrol I bought is not "Intense Neturiceuticals AKA Rockhard Formulations" its called Supplements 911. I bought it from JustAddMuscle.com is it all the same ?

^^^^^^i dunno...you tell us....does your bottle have the same ingredients that we listed?

lol. The two companies are one and the same. As for ingrediants like mooch said. This is an advanced technique, you hold the bottle near your computer screen. Now see if the ingredient names match up. If they do, I think you have a winner.

Have you ran a cycle before?

 

[Robb1212]

well I just ordered it last night, so have not got the product yet... but off the website it say this: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol... Yes in the past i've taken Mass xtreme stacked with Tren extreme both from American Lellular labs, and last October I took omnevol then arimevol from evo-labs. few injection cycles about ten years ago saus 250 and decca

 

[mooch2321]

that is not the same thing...i checked out the website....its a superdrol clone....

 

[Robb1212]

is being a superdrol clone a bad thing??? is the monsterdrol from Intense Neturiceuticals better?

 

[Zero V]

is being a superdrol clone a bad thing??? is the monsterdrol from Intense Neturiceuticals better?

Ah no. I read your one post wrong. No its a diff brand, diff company. I see. Yeah mooch is right that monsterdrol is super, the other one is a steroid cocktail as I call em.

Superdrol isnt bad per say. Its a great compound, it is rough on the body though. It can yield good gains to someone who uses it right.

 

[Robb1212]

in your opinion... should i return the product and buy the the Intense Neturiceuticals monsterdrol instead. or maybe stack what i got with something?

 

[mooch2321]

run the superdrol by itself...use a 10/20/20 split....you will get low sides and good gains....dont stack it with ANYTHING.....

 

[Robb1212]

sorry if this sounds bad... but what exactly is a 10/20/20 split? is that the mg's per day or per week

 

[mooch2321]

per day....sometimes i forget that not everyone is an website warrior....

 

[Robb1212]

10mg in the morning, 20 mg in the afternoon, and 20mg at night... is that right?

 

[mooch2321]

no 10mgs a day for the first week....and 20 mgs a day for the second and third week

 

[Robb1212]

oh.. looks like I almost killed myself, lol... so would you only run this for a three week period, I bought two bottles thinking that atleast 6 weeks would do the trick but maybe not?

 

[mooch2321]

superdrol is one of the harshest most hepatoxic steroids out there.....low doses and short cycles are the way to go.....

 

[Robb1212]

sounds good, I'll save the second bottle for the next cycle if I get decent results. any advice on taking anything while on superdrol like cycle support or anything else? then what about pct?

 

[Zero V]

sounds good, I'll save the second bottle for the next cycle if I get decent results. any advice on taking anything while on superdrol like cycle support or anything else? then what about pct?

I recommend picking up AI's cycle support and post cycle support. Also a SERM since super is pretty good at shutting you down...