@sns8778 I vote for a Clusterdextrin/HBCD + Carb10 (and maybe other advanced carbs) combination but make the ratio 75% Clusterdextrin/HBCD and 25% Carb10. I also prefer unflavored but if I had to vote for a flavor, I would love a refreshing watermelon flavor.
Thank you for the suggestions.
I like the idea of that ratio as well.
And thank you for the suggestion of watermelon; I was thinking either watermelon or watermelon lime as one of the possible flavor ideas for this.
this may be a dumb comment but why dont you just drink grape juice or something high carb?
You're always welcome to make comments or suggestions in threads I post - I never regard any legitimate question as a dumb one because we all have to learn somewhere.
The reason that one wouldn't just drink grape juice or something high carb is that the advanced carb product idea(s) that we are discussing are meant to be performance and endurance enhancing, much moreso than a sugary carb beverage.
Hyde gave a great well explained answer on this in the post I'm quoting below as well.
I know I said that I prefer straight HBCD, but if a blend with Carb10 ends up being the go-to then I think this ratio is superior.
I have had poor success with the 60/40 blends (15g HBCD / 10g Carb10). I think Carb10 operates more like that underlying stability, so you don’t need a lot for it to keep glucose more stable.
Also, if the new watermelon lime flavor is as bomb as Steve is saying, that could be awesome!
That works if you are just trying to get more calories in, but juice is fructose - this must be processed by the liver before use, and the liver can also only store a small amount of it compared to the way all your muscles can store glucose.
Mainly, it’s just not that stable feeling, energy-wise. If you eat a decent amount of carbs in the hours pre-training in a decent sized meal, you should have largely steady energy, so drinking some cheap juice intra could help blood sugar stay topped off. Even soda or other fructose-based drinks would do alright. You’ll also see the people take shots of honey, eat low-fat candy, etc, BUT, if it’s been a while since a big meal, like you train in the morning, you may not have time or capacity to digest a sufficient meal prior. Or if you have very long training, 2 hours and on, even after a substantial breakfast you’ll probably find juice isn’t going to cut it to keep your blood sugar up.
If you feel like you have good endurance, energy, strength all through your training, what you are doing is probably working for your needs. If juice works well for you, I would look at bulk tubs of powdered Gatorade. The sugar in it is about 50/50 glucose and fructose, so you may see a performance advantage, and at $8-12/big tub it’s extremely affordable. And definitely more portable.
I understand the reasoning behind the 15 grams/10 grams split between HBCD and Carb10 because that's what the research indicates in that some of the studies on HBCD were on 15 grams, but I also agree that I don't think that ratio applies best to the real world when they are combined together.
Unflavored Carb10 for me.
I think you're the first vote for Carb10 solo. Do you not like HBCD or haven't tried it?
I’m a Cluster Dextrin guy myself. Unflavored powder so that I can mix it with all my other intra stuff.
As for other carb powders. I LOVED the first 5% Nutrition Real Food, especially the Sweet Potato Pie flavor. I used to mix it with my protein and drink it post workout. Crazy expensive but damn it tasted good.
Thank you. I like HBCD myself and this is one of those where I know what I want personally, but don't want to let my personal preference interfere with what people may like the best and sell the best.
I’m in for a purple sweet potato powder also.
I would be open to an idea like this if enough people wanted one. I think it may be better to do it as a separate idea from HBCD/Carb10. Thoughts?
Purple sweet potato powder please.
I would be open to an idea like this if enough people wanted one. I think it may be better to do it as a separate idea from HBCD/Carb10. Thoughts?
Glycomyx’s ingredients were : High-Anthocyanin Purple Sweet Potato powder, Whole oat powder, glucomanna (konjac).
I tried it once and loved it but was never able to find it again.
@sns8778 if you could somehow source the ingredients above, I know we would all buy it.
Thank you for that. I had never heard of it before it was mentioned in another thread right before I made this thread.
This shouldn't be a hard product to do at all if enough people wanted it. Any idea why it was disco'd?
Do you think that this should be a separate idea from the HBCD/Carb10 one?
By unflavored it should be NO sweeteners either… I’ve come across a few carb products listed as unflavored and they don’t have flavoring but they have sweeteners in them which defeats the purpose…
I probably wouldn't put any sweeteners into an unflavored, but to explain the reasons that some brands do - some unflavored powders have a distinct taste to them so brands may add a little sweetener to take the bit or edge off to make them taste better when mixed with other things or when cooked with.
Do I want a carb powder? YES.
A mix of HBCD/Carb10? YES. I think this actually would be a good differentiation point, as most carb powders are one or the other. Would help set you apart.
I'm really intrigued that everyone's been putting in sweet potato/purple sweet potato. This is also where my head was at, but honestly don't know if there is any difference/benefits vs other carb sources? But again, could help you stand out.
Unflavored is honestly what I prefer, since I will always just mix in my intra. But, if I had to choose I'd go with something very lightly flavored. Maybe watermelon, a citrusy/lime flavor? I like a lot of the baja breeze type tropical flavors too. Just don't make it overly sweet please.
Thank you.
I'm not sure whether the purple sweet potato idea should be part of an HBCD/Carb10 product or possibly a separate product altogether.
I definitely wouldn't go overly sweet on flavors. I think something like this needs to be on the light/refreshing side.
Use hbcd and palatinose (isomaltulose). The second has been shown to enhance fat oxidation during activity/exercise
Thank you for the suggestion.
I hadn't been asked for Palatinose and hadn't looked at that in years. I remember at one point thinking about doing something with that and then honestly I think I forgot it existed.
I need to read up on it and see where would be good to incorporate it. I remember thinking in one way back then it would be good with HBCD but then also thinking in another way it wouldn't be. Thoughts?
HBCD light refreshing flavors
Thank you. Definitely agreed on the light refreshing flavors.
call me an asshole, but i actually like Karbolyn over HBCD
Everyone has different opinions on things. I appreciate your input.
I don’t see anyone mention Ribose. No one get much from that? I’ve never dug into research on it, but I like the idea of it.
Ribose is technically a patented ingredient and they charge a premium for it.
Another holdup on it is that it is technically a sugar and a lot of people that want carb products still hesitate at seeing sugar on the label; and for someone that isn't aware that Ribose is a sugar, that may lead to a negative connotation.
Very interested in an updated "Cytomax." I've used it for decades. Since it was discontinued I've been using Skratch Labs Clear Hydration mix which has cluster dextrin. If SNS/CEL could come up with a product that blends the two, I'd be all over it.
Flavor suggestions would be some kind of citrus or citrus blend, cola, and blackberry.
Thank you. I loved Cytomax too.
I thought about something like you just said - taking the old Cytomax formula, tweaking it a little, adding electrolytes, and then some HBCD to it, but probably not a lot or it would up the cost quickly.
Cola may be hard to pull off without it tasting flat, but if it cold taste good, I'd be all about that.
I loved Cytomax grape flavor.
I think a Lemon Lime or Citrus blend would be great.
You mentioned Blackberry, I love Blackberry Mojito.
It’s a great product, we have 3-4 tubs in the pantry. It’s ideal for a true periWO meal replacement, but I find it isn’t a very good intra unless it’s a very long session and in smaller amounts.
So if I wake up, I could slam 50g Karbolyn instead of eating if necessary and head to train sooner, but I would still sip HBCD or Gatorade or something during. The Karbolyn is literally like drinking liquified rice/potato/corn.
So great product, but very different.
Thank you for explaining. That's what I was thinking as well but it had been a long time since I'd looked at it. Thank you for explaining and saving me having to go back and refresh on that haha.
