Worst Supplements Ever

Vj63 said:
That is really strange considering the high number of PES hyperresponders on this site.
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Jim Jones also made tasty koolaid.
 
Piston Honda said:
For as many people that love their products, there seem to be as many who place those same products on this thread's list
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I'd wager that most of them are low on the totem pole. I mean, anyone can go buy supplements. It doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Some people may not respond as well as others, sure, but it's statistically more likely that they don't know what they're doing.
 
bakerwil said:
I think there are just a few more people that like than dislike PES lol. I think it would be fair to say they are the mosted liked Supplement company ever.
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Controlled labs
 
For a little throwback, I'll say Endothil CR, I believe it was called. Claimed to grow new capillaries and increase vascularity. I must have been pretty desperate for the gains in my youth.
 
BPjohn123 said:
That is interesting, people love to hate (=
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At least they have the freedom to do it here. If you critisize one of testosterone nations bioturds you get ip banned for life
 
fightnews said:
At least they have the freedom to do it here. If you critisize one of testosterone nations bioturds you get ip banned for life
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LOL..."get banned for life"...geesh, like my world would stop if I was no longer able to post at t-nation. LOL!!! What a hoot!!!!
 
The usual suspects are at it again. Even if we ignore you (you know who you are), you just keep going like there's no tomorrow. If you want, I too can speak freely about certain products, and it won't be pretty..
 
ikeNball said:
Either I'm a non-responder to PES':
Erase
Alphamine
Anabeta Elite. Or my expectations are too high. Their protein is pretty great, considering the profile though I will say.
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I do not dislike PES and I've tried a good number of their products. Most recently, I bought six tubs of Select Protein during the introductory insider deal and I'm currently running Norcodrene and AT2 in a stack.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I didn't notice anything at all while on Erase. No joint pain, no change in libido, no drying out, no body composition change,etc. I also didn't get much out of Anabeta Elite. My muscles felt fuller, which was great, but no strength increase or body composition change. I may give it another shot with the new Anabeta formulation.

I still wouldn't put either of those products on a "worst supplements" list. Both products seem to have a very strong following. Unfortunately, I'm one of the non-responders. The trial and error methodology of finding out what works for me can get a little expensive, but I treat it as a hobby.
 
tony soprano said:
I do not dislike PES and I've tried a good number of their products. Most recently, I bought six tubs of Select Protein during the introductory insider deal and I'm currently running Norcodrene and AT2 in a stack.

With that disclaimer out of the way, I didn't notice anything at all while on Erase. No joint pain, no change in libido, no drying out, no body composition change,etc. I also didn't get much out of Anabeta Elite. My muscles felt fuller, which was great, but no strength increase or body composition change. I may give it another shot with the new Anabeta formulation.

I still wouldn't put either of those products on a "worst supplements" list. Both products seem to have a very strong following. Unfortunately, I'm one of the non-responders. The trial and error methodology of finding out what works for me can get a little expensive, but I treat it as a hobby.
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This makes sense.

I always laugh when these threads come up. It gives the people who love to try and bring us down a chance to take a few jabs.

If a product doesn't work for you, it doesn't make it a bad product, it means you may not have responded to it.

Thanks for your honest feedback Mr Soprano
 
BPjohn123 said:
This makes sense.

I always laugh when these threads come up. It gives the people who love to try and bring us down a chance to take a few jabs.

If a product doesn't work for you, it doesn't make it a bad product, it means you may not have responded to it.

Thanks for your honest feedback Mr Soprano
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Agree here.

Even PH's can have non-responders.

If it doesn't work for you it isn't a reason to throw hate at the company and product. Especially products that have researched and validated results in humans. Not everyone is the same. There are users of all kinds of supplements around here that swear by some things that others say are useless.

This is why you should run a new product as a standalone, track diet, gauge results and go from there.

Also remember that some supplements take a longer duration to generate noticeable results. Run a single bottle if Forskolin you may think it is ineffective. Run 3 back to back (because I did my research) and it made a definite difference.

I think expectations are often too high because if label claims or kids online overhyping their "awesome immediate gains"

These are dietary supplements that are designed to give you an extra edge in conjunction with good diet and training, both with consistency, not steroids.

If you are blaming a supplement for not generating weight loss then this means you weren't dieting appropriately to lose weight in the first place.

Etc.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
mmmmm no
if a PH has a non-responder, that would be failure of quality raws in product and/or underdosing of such, that cause the issue
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Im no expert in that realm but I was told this by a PH company rep that certain compounds are less or ineffective in some users, you are someone who would know better though so my apologies if that was an incorrect statement
 
Driven2lift said:
Im no expert in that realm but I was told this by a PH company rep that certain compounds are less or ineffective in some users, you are someone who would know better though so my apologies if that was an incorrect statement
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maybe - if you are really treading out there on the fringe of PH construction (ie weak conversion or structure)
I would disagree with the overall basic concept of saying some don't respond to hormonal products, however
 
MultiVitamin said:
Very odd. I cannot comment on hormonal levels, as I didn't have bloods when I ran it, but I did notice a slight jump in libido (some dont, some notice a decrease) But I did experience a very profound hardening effect and an increase in vascularity. Like I said, it's very strange to see someone not respond at all. You didn't notice the terrible joint pains tho!?!!
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Dude I would wake up screaming in pain! I would be sound asleep and wake up in really bad pain. And it worked great for me too!
 
Consumers aren't allowed to call certain products "bad?" I thought this was an opinion-based thread. My apologies.
 
BPjohn123 said:
Most don't have any agenda at all...lol
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BPjohn123 said:
That is interesting, people love to hate (=
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BPjohn123 said:
This makes sense.

I always laugh when these threads come up. It gives the people who love to try and bring us down a chance to take a few jabs.

If a product doesn't work for you, it doesn't make it a bad product, it means you may not have responded to it.

Thanks for your honest feedback Mr Soprano
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BPjohn123 said:
Who said that they can't?
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Well from your history in this thread it would appear that you are feeling great pain due to the withering persecution that pes has been subjected to. So maybe for your well being only those with sterling remarks regarding pes should be presented. It is really hard to fathom the amount of abuse pes receives on A.M.
 
Vj63 said:
Well from your history in this thread it would appear that you are feeling great pain due to the withering persecution that pes has been subjected to. So maybe for your well being only those with sterling remarks regarding pes should be presented. It is really hard to fathom the amount of abuse pes receives on A.M.
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Seems like your anti-PES agenda is an issue as well. Most of your dozen-odd posts are disparaging PES. So who's the one with the issue?
 
Whatever sup u call out u will have a gang of heathens to throw u under the bus and quote what u say as they write about how unfit or unexperienced and how u must be the problem because the **** works for their brothers wifes cousins friend and how ur just weak and stupid. And with that said: anabeta is ****, well actually its chamomile but doesnt do ****
 
Vj63 said:
Well from your history in this thread it would appear that you are feeling great pain due to the withering persecution that pes has been subjected to. So maybe for your well being only those with sterling remarks regarding pes should be presented. It is really hard to fathom the amount of abuse pes receives on A.M.
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We are not feeling pain, not even sure why this is a PES issue. I said if a product doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it's crap.

I have never had much success with creatine, is creatine crap because it didn't work for me?

Either way, I wasn't looking for an argument, honestly.
 
BPjohn123 said:
We are not feeling pain, not even sure why this is a PES issue. I said if a product doesn't work for you, it doesn't mean it's crap.

I have never had much success with creatine, is creatine crap because it didn't work for me?

Either way, I wasn't looking for an argument, honestly.
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we know you like to argue. stop claiming that PES products are legit. we all know they dont work :p
 
Every single pre/post workout with glucosamine/MSM/chondrotin/whatever. I'd add them to the list.

Unless I am understanding it wrong, correct me if I am, it's stupid to try and thwart inflammation around a workout.

Why?
 
rob112 said:
Every single pre/post workout with glucosamine/MSM/chondrotin/whatever. I'd add them to the list.

Unless I am understanding it wrong, correct me if I am, it's stupid to try and thwart inflammation around a workout.

Why?
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I thought that GSM, MSM, and chondrotin didn't interfere with the type of inflammation that signals MPS.
 
I can't stand seeing the argument that because a certain supplement "didn't work", it's because the person didn't have a perfect diet or training routine. That's ridiculous. It either works or it doesn't. If your training and diet are complete crap, and your "fix" your training and diet habits, and you "magically" start getting results, it is because of your improvement in your diet and training and not the supplement. Supplements that work will have an effect on your body regardless of training or diet. It's not like they "activate" like there is some kind of "switch".

As far as AAS, you can't say they don't work without proper training and diet. If your taking actual FDA approved steroids, then they will work even if you eat McDonald's.

Sure you may get more out of both types of products with proper diet and exercise but to say they don't do anything without proper diet and exercise is asinine.
 
kissdadookie said:
I thought that GSM, MSM, and chondrotin didn't interfere with the type of inflammation that signals MPS.
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If this is true I guess it doesn't hurt...but then does it help?

Snags-I already drink branch chain kool aid with sublingual sweet tarts intra ;)
 
rob112 said:
If this is true I guess it doesn't hurt...but then does it help?

Snags-I already drink branch chain kool aid with sublingual sweet tarts intra ;)
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Probably doesn't help. So IMO, if they include these ingredients in efficacious dosages, I just consider it one less step in my post workout regimen (because I train first thing in the morning). :P
 
T-Bone said:
I can't stand seeing the argument that because a certain supplement "didn't work", it's because the person didn't have a perfect diet or training routine. That's ridiculous. It either works or it doesn't. If your training and diet are complete crap, and your "fix" your training and diet habits, and you "magically" start getting results, it is because of your improvement in your diet and training and not the supplement. Supplements that work will have an effect on your body regardless of training or diet. It's not like they "activate" like there is some kind of "switch".

As far as AAS, you can't say they don't work without proper training and diet. If your taking actual FDA approved steroids, then they will work even if you eat McDonald's.

Sure you may get more out of both types of products with proper diet and exercise but to say they don't do anything without proper diet and exercise is asinine.
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This is true. I think a better phrase is that if your diet is tailored toward getting the best results out a product, then results are much more readily observed.

I.e. if your using a mass gainer but still in a deficit, then the product won't do anything for mass. Conversely, using fat loss products in an excess won't yield favourable results either.

So whilst the products may be working, they will not elicit any notable effects if your diet isn't on point.
 
T-Bone said:
I can't stand seeing the argument that because a certain supplement "didn't work", it's because the person didn't have a perfect diet or training routine. That's ridiculous. It either works or it doesn't. If your training and diet are complete crap, and your "fix" your training and diet habits, and you "magically" start getting results, it is because of your improvement in your diet and training and not the supplement. Supplements that work will have an effect on your body regardless of training or diet. It's not like they "activate" like there is some kind of "switch". As far as AAS, you can't say they don't work without proper training and diet. If your taking actual FDA approved steroids, then they will work even if you eat McDonald's. Sure you may get more out of both types of products with proper diet and exercise but to say they don't do anything without proper diet and exercise is asinine.
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Good point T-Bone!
 
T-Bone said:
I can't stand seeing the argument that because a certain supplement "didn't work", it's because the person didn't have a perfect diet or training routine. That's ridiculous. It either works or it doesn't. If your training and diet are complete crap, and your "fix" your training and diet habits, and you "magically" start getting results, it is because of your improvement in your diet and training and not the supplement. Supplements that work will have an effect on your body regardless of training or diet. It's not like they "activate" like there is some kind of "switch".

As far as AAS, you can't say they don't work without proper training and diet. If your taking actual FDA approved steroids, then they will work even if you eat McDonald's.

Sure you may get more out of both types of products with proper diet and exercise but to say they don't do anything without proper diet and exercise is asinine.
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But bro
I cant just take pills and powders and get huge or get cut?

What you mean?

What is this diet crap???


:)
 
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