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I buy the oat powder by muscle feast. Gets a lot finer than I could ever get them in the coffee grinder. But, they’re still raw and I think that’s why they wreck me. Eating actual oatmeal doesn’t seem to bother me so much, but that shake with raw oat powder makes all hell break loose.
 
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So tonight and tomorrow I’m hitting the gym alone for the first time in awhile, and so I’m planning on spending about twice as long there as I normally would. I really want to see how far I can take this pump with just the steroids and normal food.
 
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So tonight and tomorrow I’m hitting the gym alone for the first time in awhile, and so I’m planning on spending about twice as long there as I normally would. I really want to see how far I can take this pump with just the steroids and normal food.
Alone time in the gym is the best, crank the tunes and raise hell. I’m in a small local gym so I get alone time a lot, love it. Go rip some skin with the pumps.
 
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Steroid pumps are the best. Pumps I’m getting on NPP and var are really gonna make training natty suck ass.
 
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Steroid pumps are the best. Pumps I’m getting on NPP and var are really gonna make training natty suck ass.
I prefer Insulin + cialis pumps, with some roids.
 
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Ah, well insulin terrifies me, but I’m sure it’s a real blast
Slin is less scary than UGL gear, seriously. Hundreds of million diabetics would agree. :)
I'm not talking about a lot of slin -but 0.05 - 0.1ml (5-10 IU) with adequate carbs.
In conjunction with a PDE-5 inhibitor, no pump is more intense. At one point, I was scared to get those "birth-belly stretch marks" women get -but on my chest and biceps.
 
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Slin is less scary than UGL gear, seriously. Hundreds of million diabetics would agree. :)
I'm not talking about a lot of slin -but 0.05 - 0.1ml (5-10 IU) with adequate carbs.
In conjunction with a PDE-5 inhibitor, no pump is more intense. At one point, I was scared to get those "birth-belly stretch marks" women get -but on my chest and biceps.
I’ve never had a major issue with UGLs...

Insulin isn’t super scary. It’s just possible to lethally overdose, that’s all.

Steroids are fun and easy because you can’t.

Bodybuilders are mostly a bunch of knuckledraggers who want to take as much of something as they can, so of course anything that can be lethally overdosed scares the **** out of most of us...

All that being said, IGF1 is superior. If real and intact.

Same great pumps and weight gain, zero fat storage.
 
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I’ve never had a major issue with UGLs...

Insulin isn’t super scary. It’s just possible to lethally overdose, that’s all.

Steroids are fun and easy because you can’t.

Bodybuilders are mostly a bunch of knuckledraggers who want to take as much of something as they can, so of course anything that can be lethally overdosed scares the **** out of most of us...

All that being said, IGF1 is superior. If real and intact.

Same great pumps and weight gain, zero fat storage.
Agreed.
To overdose on slin requires a serious lack of brain matter. If slin were as appealing as roids, we wouldn't have the problem with noobs taking some -and later asking questions what went wrong -as there is no later, LOL.
 
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Agreed.
To overdose on slin requires a serious lack of brain matter. If slin were as appealing as roids, we wouldn't have the problem with noobs taking some -and later asking questions what went wrong -as there is no later, LOL.
The unfortunate part with slin is the easiest to obtain and otc insulins are active for either 6-7 hours or 10-12 hours.
Novolog and Apidra are much more ideal as you only have to be diligent for 3-4 hours.

I think that’s where most will run into problems, slacking off after hours of shoveling carbs and believing they’re in the clear and taking a nap or something stupid.

Way way way more thought has to go into insulin than just injecting and getting all swolez.
 
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The unfortunate part with slin is the easiest to obtain and otc insulins are active for either 6-7 hours or 10-12 hours.
Novolog and Apidra are much more ideal as you only have to be diligent for 3-4 hours.

I think that’s where most will run into problems, slacking off after hours of shoveling carbs and believing they’re in the clear and taking a nap or something stupid.

Way way way more thought has to go into insulin than just injecting and getting all swolez.
I agree its not for everyone, seeing how others approach roids. No margin for errors.
The one problem I see with it, that I may have an accident (like with the car) after taking it, not being able to load carbs and unable to tell a medic about the slin use -hence going hypo. On the other hand, the dosage I take is too low to cause a coma. Discipline and responsibility is key.
 
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Does help if you never take enough to cause death in the first place.
 
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The Cycle

Test E 300mg E3D
DHB C 200mg E3D (will raise later)
Proviron 50mg ED
Mk677 25mg ED
Cardarine 20mg ED
Tadalafil 5mg E3D

I have half a week left of Methyl 1AD. 3 days. So I started the rest.
 
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The Cycle

Test E 300mg E3D
DHB C 200mg E3D (will raise later)
Proviron 50mg ED
Mk677 25mg ED
Cardarine 20mg ED
Tadalafil 5mg E3D

I have half a week left of Methyl 1AD. 3 days. So I started the rest.
Just taking stabs:
Card for lipid profile?
Prov for shbg?
 
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Just for info: I got my stated Tadalafil dosing wrong. Its always 10mg E3D -not 5mg. Just checked my pills, they come at 10mg.
Sorry if I mislead anyone.
No idea if 5mg has the same effect on pump and vasodilation. 10mg is prudent and not a high dose if taken e3d.
 
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Just for info: I got my stated Tadalafil dosing wrong. Its always 10mg E3D -not 5mg. Just checked my pills, they come at 10mg.
Sorry if I mislead anyone.
No idea if 5mg has the same effect on pump and vasodilation. 10mg is prudent and not a high dose if taken e3d.
You mislead me :eek:

I been dosing about 5mg ED. I have increased DOMS, you ever get that?
 
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You mislead me :eek:

I been dosing about 5mg ED. I have increased DOMS, you ever get that?
No, but if I go like 10mg eod, I get constant pain in my ham strings, like by nerve compression, also acid reflux. Those are known possible side effects.
 
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Just taking stabs:
Card for lipid profile?
Prov for shbg?
Cardarine for endurance, lipids, heart rate, blood pressure...

Provi for shbg and “androgenic fat loss” however mild.

I might add a small dose of T3 at some point. My metabolism is slow.
 
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Cardarine for endurance, lipids, heart rate, blood pressure...

Provi for shbg and “androgenic fat loss” however mild.

I might add a small dose of T3 at some point. My metabolism is slow.
Gotcha.
Good stuff going on with this run. I may be coming into a little money soon and I’m gonna add some extras too.
I’ll be paying attention to this log.
 
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232lbs

Mk677 must’ve added some water.
 
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The Guaiacol in the dhb tastes like cloves after you pin it. Basically same as it smells.

I might have hit a bad spot tonight. I’ll find out tomorrow morning if I can’t walk.
 
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The Guaiacol in the dhb tastes like cloves after you pin it. Basically same as it smells.

I might have hit a bad spot tonight. I’ll find out tomorrow morning if I can’t walk.
Dang bro, are you pinning ventro gluts or gluteal medial?

Hopefully not quads..?
 
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236lbs

I don’t even know. It’s like, the less I eat, the more I gain.

Maybe if I starve myself tomorrow I’ll gain 10lbs.
 
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Having recently experienced a rough week with DHB myself. I have this to say.

May God have Mercy on your soul.
 
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Oh cmon! I thought the pip wasn’t that bad?! I bought 60ml’s yesterday!
 
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Ha, there is Hope.
I pinned my first dose into the right glute Thursday before last. Only 100mg so I could check pip. Pip was noticeable and had a golf ball in my butt but it wasn’t terrible at this point. Then Sunday before last I pinned 150mg into my left glut and 150mg of test into my right glute. The next day, Monday, all hell
Broke loose. The pain in the right glute starting getting so intense it had my lower back tight and locked up. I could barely walk and the lump was rock hard, extremely painful especially when touched. Couldn’t sit or lay on exercise equipment and couldn’t have sex. I was worried I had an infection for a while because it hurt so bad. Then about 4 days after the left glute “rocked” up and starting hurting, not as bad as right but still pretty bad.

I manned up and went to get a massage last Thursday and allowed the women to work the knot hard with her hands and hot stones, legit almost passed out several times from the pain but it slowly started to feel better and the pain subsided 20 minutes in. Gradually got better the following days, I skipped my scheduled injection for the weekend.

Here is what I did this time on Monday. I heated the DHB up in a bowl of hot water. Took a hot bath and then injected 200mg into right glute. I then went to planet fitness just to lay in the hydro bed and let the hot water jets blast my ass to massage it around. So far so could, I know it’s there but it is nowhere near the hard painful knot I had last week and this was more than the first injection. Hardly no pain so far. So my advise is definitely heat the oil up and massage the heck out of it after injecting.
 
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Ugh. I don’t mind pain, but for 15 weeks in my ass? Fck
 
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Ugh. I don’t mind pain, but for 15 weeks in my ass? Fck
Same for me...intend on running 500 mg for 12 weeks. That last post is playing on my mind about the PIP. I can deal with pain but a golf ball. Need to get my mind right!!
 
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It’s not that bad this week after heating up the oil and massaging like crazy after Injection. This is manageable.
 
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If 100 mg does it too you then I am in a whole different realm.
 
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I hear ya. This week was 200 mg though.
I really think that the oil not being heated caused it to crash once it was injected On my first pin with it. Either that or my body just didn’t like the oil used. Not sure.

I will pin another 200mg tomorrow into the left glute. I will let everyone know how it goes after a few days.
 
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Need to copy this stuff for those discussion threads where someone doesn't want to pin and everyone gangs up on them and says it's dead simple with no issues.
 
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Need to copy this stuff for those discussion threads where someone doesn't want to pin and everyone gangs up on them and says it's dead simple with no issues.
It's not dead simple.. but pretty simple for basic Testosterone and common steroid oils.. and yeah they shouldn't do that, as messed up jects can cause real issues.

DHB is a special beast, stuff recrystallizes in the bottle and could "crash" in your muscle upon Injection so heating and guiacol (nasty smell) solvent is used to get DHB concentration up..

Only a few UGL really make it right without a lot of guiacol and it won't crash or recrystallize.
 
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No pip issues with the dhb. The pip from the old test I was using was much worse. And no bad spot this time.

And I’ve been doing 2-2.5ml of dhb per shot

I’m good.
 
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No pip issues with the dhb. The pip from the old test I was using was much worse. And no bad spot this time.

And I’ve been doing 2-2.5ml of dhb per shot

I’m good.
Thanks for the update...need some reassurance. lol
 
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No pip issues with the dhb. The pip from the old test I was using was much worse. And no bad spot this time.

And I’ve been doing 2-2.5ml of dhb per shot

I’m good.
That’s awesome. I’m pretty sure it’s the same source so maybe my glute was just being a pussy. Gotta be more like Witch.
 
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No pip issues with the dhb. The pip from the old test I was using was much worse. And no bad spot this time.

And I’ve been doing 2-2.5ml of dhb per shot

I’m good.
I wonder if it’s just non virgin tissue. Cause I can run up to 150mg for Ace/prop and 350-450 for longer esters with some uncomfortable home brews and it doesn’t phase me. Maybe DHB is for someone that’s been pinning glutes for 3+ years minimum?
I know mixing saves me. I’ve likely avoided infection that way too. I mix as much as I can every injection. Especially if I have a smooth oil, GSO and low potency. I’ll just run a low dose and split up my test dose plus whatever other gear. So it’s like 0.5 of this, 0.7 of that 1.2 of this etc EOD. Just ideas
 
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Yeah that’s all possible. I’ve been on trt pinning glutes for almost 3 years but that is not the same. Could have been the virgin tissue, or my body didn’t want to break the oil down. I have no idea. I just know it sucked lol.

My gut tells me it was the temp of the oil. We keep it cold in my house. I’ve never heated an oil up before injecting because I never had too. That’s the only thing I did different this week and haven’t had issues so.

In any case I’m just excited to see what this DHB is all About and hope my week in hell wasnt in vain.
 
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Yeah that’s all possible. I’ve been on trt pinning glutes for almost 3 years but that is not the same. Could have been the virgin tissue, or my body didn’t want to break the oil down. I have no idea. I just know it sucked lol.

My gut tells me it was the temp of the oil. We keep it cold in my house. I’ve never heated an oil up before injecting because I never had too. That’s the only thing I did different this week and haven’t had issues so.

In any case I’m just excited to see what this DHB is all About and hope my week in hell wasnt in vain.
Yes, definitely should be. One thing is for sure, your body will get used to it. Over enough time, it will be less uncomfortable.

I seriously hate heating up my oils. I’ll do it if it’s crashed, but honestly I’m just going to deal with the pain. Easy to say now of course
 
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Officially been told I’ve gotten fat.

This is now a full-on cut for the next 4 weeks.

Adding T3 starting tomorrow morning

Adding in a regular AI dose until my joints don’t like it.
 
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Officially been told I’ve gotten fat.

This is now a cut.


Adding T3 starting tomorrow morning

Adding in a regular AI dose until my joints don’t like it.
Hahaha! LMAO!

The life of a bodybuilder. Hint: If you get fat, tell everyone you are a powerlifter. Problem solved.
 
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Hahaha! LMAO!

The life of a bodybuilder. Hint: If you get fat, tell everyone you are a powerlifter. Problem solved.
Works for others but it’s my wife. She knows what I’m doing.
 
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If I hadn’t just come off M1AD I’d be jumping onto some superdrol or my trusted anavar/winstrol combo to cut some fat off.
 
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So... in 4 weeks I will start the next oral phase. Can’t afford the bloods to know if my liver is recovered beforehand so it will be by feel. I got bloods done in February, will have them done sometime in July or August, and again next February.

That’s it, barring any sides warranting a blood test.
 
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So, getting back to pinning and strong bulking orals after a long time off...

It’s the little things I am remembering as I go, not needing to eat dirty to gain weight, probably the biggest thing to remember.

As a natural, for me to gain weight takes some serious eating, even on some DMZ, andros, sarms... need to eat muchly.

Some Test E and that M1A and boy, I could’ve gained weight starving myself.
 
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So... in 4 weeks I will start the next oral phase. Can’t afford the bloods to know if my liver is recovered beforehand so it will be by feel. I got bloods done in February, will have them done sometime in July or August, and again next February.

That’s it, barring any sides warranting a blood test.
If it helps, all liver enzymes are well within range for me before 3 weeks typically.
 
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