Wisest way to spend money on supps/anabolics

[JoePaul39]

I run 2 or 3 prohormone/sarm cycles a year. Year round I also take a pre and post workout powder that has a combo of natural supps including creatine, glutamine, branch chain aminos, Betaine, Beta Alanine, etc. The powder cost me a total of about $40 a month. Do you think I would be better served in saving the $40 a month and simply buy more prohormones/Sarms to run on my 2 to 3 yearly cycles? (I do not pin). I also get 175 mg weekly trt test injected at dr. office as well. Since I am on the trt test should I dump the powder all together, continue to take it year round, or just use it for pct support, or the fourth option take it only when not on cycle? Do you guys take such powders to maintain gains even though you run anabolic cycles ? I am really leaning toward ditching the powders to save $40 a month and instead run more compounds at once while on cycle or increase compound dosages. I think such powders are good for natural lifters, but really question how much value they add for those using anabolics.

 

[Brenwad]

I'd simply supplement your trt year round with something non metylated, epiandro @ 300mgs per day would be a great addition. Junk the cycling and pct crap.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Everyone will suggest different, I guess. I would skip the powders, besides whey , creatine and some stims and invest in some PH's and Tudca.

 

[JoePaul39]

Everyone will suggest different, I guess. I would skip the powders, besides whey , creatine and some stims and invest in some PH's and Tudca.

Ya I think your right about the powder. Not worth the money unless your natty only. Creatine is dirt cheap so probably just buy that in bulk and only cost like $5 a month. Money best spent on prohormones and liver support.

 

[Whisky]

Personally I buy all my natty supps in bulk and when on offer, I’ll use whatever the best value brand is (obviously I’ll buy where I’m confident it’s legit). Saves a few quid over the year.

 

[brofessorx]

If your on trt why are you running pct?
And if you don’t pin, how does the doctor inject the test? Magic?

 

[Davy25]

Buy all pre workout ingredients in bulk. Honestly the tyrosine is the most expensive but even that comes out to maybe like 5 bucks a month. I used to keep a spreadsheet and my preworkout with (beta alinine, ltyrosine, caffeine, creatine, l citruline, and arginine) comes out to about 8 bucks a month.

As far as protein powder goes, skip it all together if you eat a lot. I for one do not as i try to recomp year round and try to maintain low bf% so i need protein. Buy body fortress, aldi protein or bulk amazon powder.

Dont need anything else besides multi and fish oil.

 

[JoePaul39]

Personally I buy all my natty supps in bulk and when on offer, I’ll use whatever the best value brand is (obviously I’ll buy where I’m confident it’s legit). Saves a few quid over the year.

Yes I use to buy everything in bulk too because it is much cheaper. I just ended up growing weary of mixing 5 or 6 powders together before and after a workout and my wife always complained about the powder mess I left in the kitchen so I switched to a powder that was all in one. Now I know longer get to feel like I am a chemist though mixing the powders lol!

 

[Davy25]

I dont mind it because im dutch and will do anything to save a buck lol. Also i feel my workouts are better on my home brew than 90% of the preworkouts out there

 

[Matthersby]

I’m a minimalist and I’m frugal. A weak AAS cycle does more than year round top of the line supplements.

I’ll pop in a GNC/HiHealth and go to the clearance for BCAAs and Casein nighttime blends, or ANY whey, and ask if they’ll take another 20-50% off that. Other than that, I’ll buy WalMart protein powder and BCAAs here and there. I use Arginine AKG just to supplement Cialis for pumps and bedroom time, but it’s maybe $75 annually other than whey. Only reason I use whey at all is because I have the appetite of a baby bird, so it’ll get me over 300grams a day sometimes to hit macros.

But if you like the stuff you take and it doesn’t hurt you financially, enjoy man. Personally, on the gear part of this, I spend $200 a month and probably always will until I’ve reached my goal. I’ve got a stockpile that fills a toiletry travelbag of 500 dbol, 5 Test Cyps, 2 Trest Ace, 4 Raloxifenes, liquid and cap Letrozole, Cialis and Viagra, Ostarine(that I can’t even GIVE away) Nolva, Lasix, and some insulin in the fridge. 3 NPP’s on their way from God knows where. And I feel like my stash is dwindling honestly. It’s stressing me out as we speak.

 

[Brenwad]

I’m a minimalist and I’m frugal. A weak AAS cycle does more than year round top of the line supplements.

I’ll pop in a GNC/HiHealth and go to the clearance for BCAAs and Casein nighttime blends, or ANY whey, and ask if they’ll take another 20-50% off that. Other than that, I’ll buy WalMart protein powder and BCAAs here and there. I use Arginine AKG just to supplement Cialis for pumps and bedroom time, but it’s maybe $75 annually other than whey. Only reason I use whey at all is because I have the appetite of a baby bird, so it’ll get me over 300grams a day sometimes to hit macros.

But if you like the stuff you take and it doesn’t hurt you financially, enjoy man. Personally, on the gear part of this, I spend $200 a month and probably always will until I’ve reached my goal. I’ve got a stockpile that fills a toiletry travelbag of 500 dbol, 5 Test Cyps, 2 Trest Ace, 4 Raloxifenes, liquid and cap Letrozole, Cialis and Viagra, Ostarine(that I can’t even GIVE away) Nolva, Lasix, and some insulin in the fridge. 3 NPP’s on their way from God knows where. And I feel like my stash is dwindling honestly. It’s stressing me out as we speak.

That's called addiction ! Lol

 

[JoePaul39]

If your on trt why are you running pct?
And if you don’t pin, how does the doctor inject the test? Magic?

Of course since I am on trt I don’t need a serm for pct, but I still take natty pct supps like sns x Gels or Laxogenin after a cycle. As far as not pinning I literally meant what I said. I do not self inject test, a medical professional injects me. Don’t have anything against those who pin themselves, I’m just too much of a whimp lol.

 

[JoePaul39]

I'd simply supplement your trt year round with something non metylated, epiandro @ 300mgs per day would be a great addition. Junk the cycling and pct crap.

Running a prohormone year round is not sound advice. Even if it is nonmethylated it takes an impact on lipids. I will stick to my 2 or 3 cycles a year.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I'd simply supplement your trt year round with something non metylated, epiandro @ 300mgs per day would be a great addition. Junk the cycling and pct crap.

No. This is bad advice. Even if you’re on TRT, there are compelling reasons not to run PHs year round. It’d be much more logical to just up the test dose than to add oral PHs.

 

[brofessorx]

Of course since I am on trt I don’t need a serm for pct, but I still take natty pct supps like sns x Gels or Laxogenin after a cycle. As far as not pinning I literally meant what I said. I do not self inject test, a medical professional injects me. Don’t have anything against those who pin themselves, I’m just too much of a whimp lol.

Well doesn’t matter who or what injects you, if you’re using injectable testosterone you are “pinning”
Whatever you do with your money is your prerogative. My opinion is it’s silly to run any kind of “pct” if you’re always on.

 

[brofessorx]

No. This is bad advice. Even if you’re on TRT, there are compelling reasons not to run PHs year round. It’d be much more logical to just up the test dose than to add oral PHs.

You didn’t think about this post too hard did you?

 

[H.Zoloman]

Everyone will suggest different, I guess. I would skip the powders, besides whey , creatine and some stims and invest in some PH's and Tudca.

Agree. Whey, pre workout (most cost effective) and support supps. Other than that it's a waste IMO, especially if you're on TRT/Cruise.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

You didn’t think about this post too hard did you?

Explain? Oral PHs year round is going to put more stress on some organs than increasing the test dose would. This is not a good thing. Who in their right minds runs oral PHs year round? Especially when they have access to real test?

Edit: I’m not suggesting running a higher dose of test year round; only that having some periods of increasing the dose would be preferable to adding oral PHs year round. Don’t run PHs 365 days a year.

 

[JoePaul39]

Well doesn’t matter who or what injects you, if you’re using injectable testosterone you are “pinning”
Whatever you do with your money is your prerogative. My opinion is it’s silly to run any kind of “pct” if you’re always on.

I am tending to agree. I wanted to post this thread to see if other more experienced lifters like yourself would agree. Would you also consider spending $40 a month in natty supps for year round usage of Glutamine, Creatine, Betaine, BCAAs, and Beta Alanine also a waste of money for someone on anabilic cycles and trt? I am trying to cut costs, but not at the expense of gains. Freeing up more money would not only save me a few bucks and also enable me to purchase more anabolics to run on cycle too. I tend to think these “natty supps” have a place, but more so for natural lifters who would be the primary beneficiaries. Figured I would be all right to drop these as long as I maintain a good diet and training program.

 

[Matthersby]

I’m gonna say, Yes. If you’re going to cycle, drop it all and keep the BCAA’s, buy it bulk online (myprotein is cheap) and spend the rest on the good stuff.

 

[JoePaul39]

I’m gonna say, Yes. If you’re going to cycle, drop it all and keep the BCAA’s, buy it bulk online (myprotein is cheap) and spend the rest on the good stuff.

Ya I agree. Taking just bcaas and maybe creatine is dirt cheap when bought in bulk.

 

[Matthersby]

I never wasted time with BCAA’s for years but just seeing what they can do with insulin or without, I’m a believer.

 

[Davy25]

I thought the overwhelming consensus is bcaa’s dont do a single thing?

 

[Matthersby]

Recovery alone with them warrants 10-20 grams a day. With insulin, they are dynamite but that’s bc insulin is freaking sick.. But I’m talking maybe spending $10 a month on them. Tops.

 

[superman2113]

I thought the overwhelming consensus is bcaa’s dont do a single thing?

Same thing, I thought BCAA's were useless without EAA's.

 

[Bagofturdwind]

Recovery alone with them warrants 10-20 grams a day. With insulin, they are dynamite but that’s bc insulin is freaking sick.. But I’m talking maybe spending $10 a month on them. Tops.

You seem to love yourself some insulin haha. How do you dose it with them? And how are you doing 10-20 grams while only allotting yourself $10/month?

 

[Matthersby]

You seem to love yourself some insulin haha. How do you dose it with them? And how are you doing 10-20 grams while only allotting yourself $10/month?

Only on clearance. Or from Wally World.
And ya, it’s unreal how much muscle Slin will put on you. Back when I was running Nov-R, between 8-12IU tops preworkout, to 10-15 grams BCAA’s, 10 grams creatine, 5-10grams glutamine and 60 grams dextrose or high GI carbs. The long peak of that insulin, I could pin at least an hour prior to the gym and just sip that mixture of goodness while training. Gains like you’ve never seen. Blows AAS cycles away. And that’s quite a claim.

 

[JoePaul39]

I thought the overwhelming consensus is bcaa’s dont do a single thing?

Depends on the source you go to for info is what I have found. Some studies say yes others conclude no.

 

[Matthersby]

And the only reason I have been bringing it up, is for those curious. I honestly don’t want people doing it unless they’ve put the kind of hours researching it that I have. It’s very scary. I went hypo once while doing everything right. Still don’t know what happened. But I was in a position where I didn’t have to walk in somewhere and buy candy or O.J. or whatever. I had it WITH me. 5 more minutes and I could have woke up in an ER or not at all. I broke rule #1 where I was not with anyone who knew I was using it. Luckily I was adhering to rule #2 and had 400 grams of high GI carbs on my person. And it took ALL of it while I sat in my office alone just conscious enough to shovel gummy orange slices into my dome. Had to change my shirt bc it was soaked in sweat.

 

[JoePaul39]

And the only reason I have been bringing it up, is for those curious. I honestly don’t want people doing it unless they’ve put the kind of hours researching it that I have. It’s very scary. I went hypo once while doing everything right. Still don’t know what happened. But I was in a position where I didn’t have to walk in somewhere and buy candy or O.J. or whatever. I had it WITH me. 5 more minutes and I could have woke up in an ER or not at all. I broke rule #1 where I was not with anyone who knew I was using it. Luckily I was adhering to rule #2 and had 400 grams of high GI carbs on my person. And it took ALL of it while I sat in my office alone just conscious enough to shovel gummy orange slices into my dome. Had to change my shirt bc it was soaked in sweat.

I wouldn’t touch insulin, but to each his own.

 

[Bagofturdwind]

And the only reason I have been bringing it up, is for those curious. I honestly don’t want people doing it unless they’ve put the kind of hours researching it that I have. It’s very scary. I went hypo once while doing everything right. Still don’t know what happened. But I was in a position where I didn’t have to walk in somewhere and buy candy or O.J. or whatever. I had it WITH me. 5 more minutes and I could have woke up in an ER or not at all. I broke rule #1 where I was not with anyone who knew I was using it. Luckily I was adhering to rule #2 and had 400 grams of high GI carbs on my person. And it took ALL of it while I sat in my office alone just conscious enough to shovel gummy orange slices into my dome. Had to change my shirt bc it was soaked in sweat.

My dad is type 1 diabetic. I’ve seen him go legit hypo a few times in my life. Stuff is frightening. That coupled with the worry of what exogenous insulin may do to my body is what scares me from even dabbling in it.

 

[Matthersby]

I wouldn’t touch insulin, but to each his own.

I really do hope that’s the direction most go. I probably need to stop glorifying it and keep it with the dangers of it or safe protocols only...

 

[Newth]

I still think oldschool as food is the most anabolic substance.
Protein type/timing has a hug impact on goals also.

I really do hope that’s the direction most go. I probably need to stop glorifying it and keep it with the dangers of it or safe protocols only...

IMO seriously, you are addressing an elephant in the closet on this site in a decent enough way.
This is a very interesting topic but also very dangerous so as long as its understood its not advised the information is helpfull to a smaller group and respected.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I still think oldschool as food is the most anabolic substance.
Protein type/timing has a hug impact on goals also.



IMO seriously, you are addressing an elephant in the closet on this site in a decent enough way.
This is a very interesting topic but also very dangerous so as long as its understood its not advised the information is helpfull to a smaller group and respected.

I'll completely agree that food is the most important as no amount of drugs will give you a great physique if you don't eat enough/properly.

 

[Old Witch]

Bcaas will do something in the sense that having more of anything even remotely anabolic is a good thing. They do nothing if you replace your protein with them, that's a dumb thing to do. Add them in, get as much as you can as cheap as you can, and drink that **** all day long.

 

[JoePaul39]

I still think oldschool as food is the most anabolic substance.
Protein type/timing.

This is true and if you eat enough protein you should get a sufficient amount of bcaa so you don’t have to supplement it.

 

[Irish Red]

I'd simply supplement your trt year round with something non metylated, epiandro @ 300mgs per day would be a great addition. Junk the cycling and pct crap.

300 mgs of epiandro would be kinda expensive . This guy is talking about the wisest way to spend his money .Do you know of some high dosed epiandro that would be reasonably priced to run 300 mgs a day ?

 

[Irish Red]

Same thing, I thought BCAA's were useless without EAA's.

From my research , I've seen certain experts like Jerry Branium and and I think Jerry Ward say BCAAs are mostly useless and people drinking them before and during workouts whom are trying to lose fat won't lose any fat because the body will use the BCAAs as fuel instead using and burning off fat .

 

[Dholmes90]

From my research , I've seen certain experts like Jerry Branium and and I think Jerry Ward say BCAAs are mostly useless and people drinking them before and during workouts whom are trying to lose fat won't lose any fat because the body will use the BCAAs as fuel instead using and burning off fat .

That's correct. I'm a big fan of Dave Palumbo, and he mentions that using BCAAs while cutting is pointless since aminos with the exception of leucine and lysine I think, will undergo gluconeogenesis. And, if you're in a low-carb state and trying to lose fat, it becomes counterproductive to take them as they will convert into glucose aka fuel.

 

[Cgkone]

I’m a minimalist and I’m frugal. A weak AAS cycle does more than year round top of the line supplements.

I’ll pop in a GNC/HiHealth and go to the clearance for BCAAs and Casein nighttime blends, or ANY whey, and ask if they’ll take another 20-50% off that. Other than that, I’ll buy WalMart protein powder and BCAAs here and there. I use Arginine AKG just to supplement Cialis for pumps and bedroom time, but it’s maybe $75 annually other than whey. Only reason I use whey at all is because I have the appetite of a baby bird, so it’ll get me over 300grams a day sometimes to hit macros.

But if you like the stuff you take and it doesn’t hurt you financially, enjoy man. Personally, on the gear part of this, I spend $200 a month and probably always will until I’ve reached my goal. I’ve got a stockpile that fills a toiletry travelbag of 500 dbol, 5 Test Cyps, 2 Trest Ace, 4 Raloxifenes, liquid and cap Letrozole, Cialis and Viagra, Ostarine(that I can’t even GIVE away) Nolva, Lasix, and some insulin in the fridge. 3 NPP’s on their way from God knows where. And I feel like my stash is dwindling honestly. It’s stressing me out as we speak.

I've got a little more than that. I agree that I feel I always need more. You never know.
The apocalypse could come and I could blast and cruise for 3 years.

 

[Brenwad]

You didn’t think about this post too hard did you?

This guys a fool. Cardarine will give you cancer. Epiandro will ruin your lipids! Skinnier the guy, wankier the advice

 

[Irish Red]

This guys a fool. Cardarine will give you cancer. Epiandro will ruin your lipids! Skinnier the guy, wankier the advice

Oh Nooooooooooo!!! My lipids . Lol . I seriously think a little too much emphasis is put on some of the supposed dangers of pro's and steroids sometimes . I mean people drink and do drugs like opiates and coke on top of drinking daily for years at a time sometimes , and when they eventually kick the habits and get clean , a lot of them haven't got big health problems from their usage . I'd really love to see a study or comparison of damage from using hard drugs by themselves and along with using alcohol on top of the drug usage compared to the damage from steadily using pro's and steroids . I am a recovered drug addict , used to use heroin and crack together , and for years and years my my liver values and stuff was perfectly fine . Makes me wonder if using heroin and crack actually does less damage then using steroids does . I've known people ( including myself ) who got bloodwork done that were actively using hard drugs and their tests came back good , with no outstanding health problems .

 

[christ83189]

This guys a fool. Cardarine will give you cancer. Epiandro will ruin your lipids! Skinnier the guy, wankier the advice

Lol

 

[muscleupcrohn]

This guys a fool. Cardarine will give you cancer. Epiandro will ruin your lipids! Skinnier the guy, wankier the advice

I never said epiandro can’t be used safety you twat, only that it’s stupid to use it every day of the year indefinitely. Why would anyone even do that? Also, if you knew anything about cardarine, you’d know that pairing it with other drugs that may themselves increase cancer growth is inherently risky.

 

[Whisky]

Oh Nooooooooooo!!! My lipids . Lol . I seriously think a little too much emphasis is put on some of supposed dangers of pro's and steroids sometimes . I mean people drink and do drugs like opiates and coke on top of drinking daily for years at a time sometimes , and when they eventually kick the habits and clean , a lot of them haven't got big health problems from their usage . I'd really love to see study or comparison of damage from using hard drugs by themselves and along with using alcohol on top of the drug usage compared to the damage from steadily using pro's and steroids . I am a recovered drug addict , used to use heroin and crack together , and for years and years my my liver values and stuff was perfectly fine . Makes me wonder if using heroin and crack actually does less damage then using steroids does . I've known people ( including myself ) who got bloodwork done that were actively using hard drugs and their tests came back good , with no outstanding health problems .

Just my opinion but I don’t think you can look at it like that, sure some people won’t ever have issues from drug and alcohol abuse same as not all smokers get cancer, it does however INCREASE THE ODDS, this is the key in my opinion.

Thus you would need to weigh up the risk (I.e increased chance of serious issues) vs the reward. I used to smoke, I’m a former cocaine addict and an alcoholic whose been sober over 5 years now, to me the reward of those things stopped being worth the risks.

I don’t think sensible use of anabolics carries a big risk and could actually be beneficial to health (increased lean mass/decreased body fat etc) but the further you push it the further you increase the odds of negative outcomes and the question is whether the upside is worth that......only an individual can answer that for themselves but to say that either something WILL or WONT cause problems isn’t the true story imo.

 

[JoePaul39]

I never said epiandro can’t be used safety you twat, only that it’s stupid to use it every day of the year indefinitely. Why would anyone even do that?

Yes, you were just responding to the guy who gave the terrible advice to me that rather than cycling anabolics to supplement my trt I should take epi andro year round without coming off. Horrible advice from a health perspective! Not to mention you would see far less gains from the Epi after being on it 2 or 3 months straight.

 

[dvw]

Holy **** that sounds scary!

 

[Brienn8989]

Oh Nooooooooooo!!! My lipids . Lol . I seriously think a little too much emphasis is put on some of the supposed dangers of pro's and steroids sometimes . I mean people drink and do drugs like opiates and coke on top of drinking daily for years at a time sometimes , and when they eventually kick the habits and get clean , a lot of them haven't got big health problems from their usage . I'd really love to see a study or comparison of damage from using hard drugs by themselves and along with using alcohol on top of the drug usage compared to the damage from steadily using pro's and steroids . I am a recovered drug addict , used to use heroin and crack together , and for years and years my my liver values and stuff was perfectly fine . Makes me wonder if using heroin and crack actually does less damage then using steroids does . I've known people ( including myself ) who got bloodwork done that were actively using hard drugs and their tests came back good , with no outstanding health problems .

Years ago I was drinking a bottle a night, adderall, opiates and popping superdrol like candy and my blood tests always came back perfect. Not suggesting anything at all, just that everyone is different and your body’s detox system is an amazing thing.

 

[Newth]

Yes, you were just responding to the guy who gave the terrible advice to me that rather than cycling anabolics to supplement my trt I should take epi andro year round without coming off. Horrible advice from a health perspective! Not to mention you would see far less gains from the Epi after being on it 2 or 3 months straight.

Any gains from DHT are by default, not by direct actions.
It's an interesting concept though.
A cruise dose of Test is approx 1/4-1/2 of an on-cycle dose, this adds a 1/4-1/2 of a standard on-cycle dose of DHT.
Sounds a lot like cruising with a mild AI, muscle hardener and CNS booster to me.

 

[Newth]

I've got a little more than that. I agree that I feel I always need more. You never know.
The apocalypse could come and I could blast and cruise for 3 years.

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