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I really wish I could get a straight answer from a christian about just one question:

If god is all knowing, all powerful, and in total control, then why... Why did he decide to create angels, knowing full well that Lucifer would change and become "evil" and then go on to let an entire race of human beings suffer for this? If he knew this was going to happen (all knowing) then why not just not create angels in the first place? Why let all this happen and have things like rape, murder, abuse, violence happen??
God created life, and he created us to be free, I would guess Lucifer had many options and he choose the route he did. When bad things happen the whole outcome of the painting is going to change just like when something good happens. But in the end the painting is going to be beautiful, and that is God's will working in all things.

I think a big question is why create anything? Who knows, but it did get created by something right? I mean how did this happen WHY are we here? I found the answer, and I'm sticking to it :)

Life is so beautiful and painful and awesome all at once it's amazing. I don't want to leave it.
 
No, its basically a one way street away from religion. When was the last time religion explained something better than science?

It isn't, as I learned more and more about the interior of a cell I had no doubt it was created. Check with molecular biologists on this one, you'll get a diff. answer every time, but have themn explain the probability of a ribosome falling together in a primordial soup. Get them to work the #'s, it's so small it would have happened, it becomes impossible.
 
This is one of the biggest struggles I've had, we are going to try explain things in terms of creation, we have no grasp of infinity, that is where God is.

We know we can split atoms into quarks, into strings etc...we know there is always going to be something smaller and there ALWAYS is going to be something smaller right, we do no there is a beginning but we are nover going to get to it...the flaw in trying to find the beginning in science or in religion. We can't grasp it.

This is not to serious just winging it out there for thought.


God didn't come from anywhere, he has always been. He is outside of time. If God came from somewhere then the is NOT God.
 
It isn't, as I learned more and more about the interior of a cell I had no doubt it was created. Check with molecular biologists on this one, you'll get a diff. answer every time, but have themn explain the probability of a ribosome falling together in a primordial soup. Get them to work the #'s, it's so small it would have happened, it becomes impossible.


Life is obviously created not evolved. They can't even make life in a laboratory.
 
And a mother had her child kidnapped, and she prayed until her freaking eyes bled, as well as those around her...and, at the last minute...yeah, the kid was raped, tortured, and murdered.

But hey, at least your god saved a freaking deer.
LOL...saved a deer. You're a funny dude :) .

I believe in miracles, no doubt.

That child you talked about is with God, and is free from that torture, that is my only comfort when I hear there is evil like this in this world. We have to believe that there is more at work in stuff like this that we can't explain.

I have seen God work in my life, i wouldn't ever be this sure about something, I have no erason to lie or share about it with you if I didn't believe it with all I have. You talked earlier about a test abd not getting enough help to prepare for it, but we do have everything to prepare for it.
 
Do you pretend to know his great purpose? Are you now equal to the task of understanding what you claim everyone else is too dumb to?

Basically, you cannot speak of god's "goodness" because then you turn around and define goodness as "anything god does" which renders the term good without meaning (my point about him being amoral).

Let's make it easy...so we are all in agreement about exactly WHAT we are talking about...please start by listing say, 5 specific descriptive qualities of this god - because honestly I have no idea what you are talking about.

/do You believe in the supreme flurp? You know, flurp?
I can list one, Jesus is the quality of God. I can list a description of what I think he is from what he taught, Jesus is love and mercy, and man when I lean into his mercy the peace I feel is unstoppable.
 
I know that.
Sounds good bud, just making sure if I ever talk about organisms changing through time we aren't talking aabout creation.

You ever heard Jesus talk about a stumbling block and not putting one in front of somebody to cause them to sin? Well I had to use that quote before to get acceptance into something when I wouldn't agree that organisms don't change through natural selection. It isn't going to hinder the truth that God is living in me, because I live and gave my life to our Savior who lives and breaths in me.
 
Sounds good bud, just making sure if I ever talk about organisms changing through time we aren't talking aabout creation.

You ever heard Jesus talk about a stumbling block and not putting one in front of somebody to cause them to sin? Well I had to use that quote before to get acceptance into something when I wouldn't agree that organisms don't change through natural selection. It isn't going to hinder the truth that God is living in me, because I live and gave my life to our Savior who lives and breaths in me.

Powerful!
 
Why r u laughin. I'm serious. :thumbsup:

"I refuse to believe in a god that would send me to hell just for not believing in him."
-Bob Snuka


A God that would punish someone for thinking?
come on now.

If not believing in God were a sin, there would have to be so much evidence you'd have to be learning disabled not to believe in him....and I dont see a loving god sending a mentally handicapped person to hell.

Luke 6
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. <b>For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.</b>

So I dont judge and dont believe that not believing in God is a sin. So if the A hole god of the bible is real, I wont be held accountable
 
"I refuse to believe in a god that would send me to hell just for not believing in him."
-Bob Snuka


A God that would punish someone for thinking?
come on now.

If not believing in God were a sin, there would have to be so much evidence you'd have to be learning disabled not to believe in him....and I dont see a loving god sending a mentally handicapped person to hell.

Luke 6
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. <b>For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.</b>

So I dont judge and dont believe that not believing in God is a sin. So if the A hole god of the bible is real, I wont be held accountable

He won't send mentally handicapped person to hell. If you don't judge or then you're susceptible to any and everything.
 
Real quick ? though. What made u leave Mormonism?

Well first I must assert that mormons are infact Christians.

...and I left because I found proof WAY beyond any shadow of a doubt that no man named Jesus Christ ever existed.
His character in the bible sounds like a wonderful guy (for the most part).
And Christianity is just a flat out joke, as my bad a*s philosophy professor Denis Potter showed me :)

I dont have much evidence exclusive to the lds church that destroyed my belief. The only thing I really have is that the Book of Mormon says the Nephites were in America building huge cities. ....where are the remains of these cities? not even a foundation to a city wall here as proof.

I really dont like you gaining up on the lds church. It's irrelevant to the debate here. Ripping them down doesnt make any other branch of Christianity any less rediculous
 
Well first I must assert that mormons are infact Christians.

...and I left because I found proof WAY beyond any shadow of a doubt that no man named Jesus Christ ever existed.
His character in the bible sounds like a wonderful guy (for the most part).
And Christianity is just a flat out joke, as my bad a*s philosophy professor Denis Potter showed me :)

I dont have much evidence exclusive to the lds church that destroyed my belief. The only thing I really have is that the Book of Mormon says the Nephites were in America building huge cities. ....where are the remains of these cities? not even a foundation to a city wall here as proof.

I really dont like you gaining up on the lds church. It's irrelevant to the debate here. Ripping them down doesnt make any other branch of Christianity any less rediculous


You feel this way because you have people that you know who you probably grew up with that are in the LDS church. My bible clearly states how to search out if a person is a christian or not. Mormons, Catholics, JW's, Calvinists, etc. all fail that test miserably hence their dirty rotten souls will burn in hell and cast into the Lake of Fire! MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.
 
Ripping them down doesnt make any other branch of Christianity any less rediculous

Ripping them apart is a must just like anyone else who comes in Jesus' name speaking things contrary to scripture. It's called heresy and the Bible condemns it. I've debated Mormons and other hellbound cults with great success.
 
I just flat out cannot believe in sin, at least that way religion sees it.
I cant see hitler going to hell.
If we had a loving god, he would sit down with him and say "My dear son, who taught you to be so hatefull?" . He would love him no matter what, and would not rest until he had retaught hitler how to be a kind compassionate human.


A lot of people in prison honestly dont think they should be there, and the rest are haunted with guilt. The later know they did something wrong and feel terrible about it. Nobody acts the way they do just to be an ass hole. Their actions make sense to them. They're not behaving at random. And thus God would understand why we sin and behave the way we do, and would realize that we had a limited understanding, and would forgive us for not knowing any better.
Hell's not real Rick. If God has morals above that of an average or less human being, then there is no hell.

I do not believe in God as its stands. I hope to have happiness beyond this life; but have seen NO proof that would make me count on such circumstances
 
Ripping them apart is a must just like anyone else who comes in Jesus' name speaking things contrary to scripture. It's called heresy and the Bible condemns it. I've debated Mormons and other hellbound cults with great success.
What christian sect do you belong to?

In what way are mormons not Christians?
They believe in Christ, for one. Is that alone not enough. wtf?


but I'm glad you're here on gods behalf so we know which churches he approves and disproves of.
 
I just flat out cannot believe in sin, at least that way religion sees it.
I cant see hitler going to hell.
If we had a loving god, he would sit down with him and say "My dear son, who taught you to be so hatefull?" . He would love him no matter what, and would not rest until he had retaught hitler how to be a kind compassionate human.


A lot of people in prison honestly dont think they should be there, and the rest are haunted with guilt. The later know they did something wrong and feel terrible about it. Nobody acts the way they do just to be an ass hole. Their actions make sense to them. They're not behaving at random. And thus God would understand why we sin and behave the way we do, and would realize that we had a limited understanding, and would forgive us for not knowing any better.
Hell's not real Rick. If God has morals above that of an average or less human being, then there is no hell.

I do not believe in God as its stands. I hope to have happiness beyond this life; but have seen NO proof that would make me count on such circumstances


Hitler is burning in hell with the Pope, Mother Theresa, the Muslims, etc. Why is it that people like u believe that God has to be some toothfairy, easter bunny care bear that's love love love all the time. God judges sin by hell the same way a judge in a court sends people to jail. It's so logical!
 
My point is that judging helps you to discern between good and evil.

Without judgement, there is no good and evil; only love.
(actually a very Christ like message).


So you actually believe satan is an actual being who talks to people who in return follow his commands?

Satan and God do not tell me how to think. I am very capable of creating my own good and evil thoughts. As is everyone else.
 
What christian sect do you belong to?

In what way are mormons not Christians?
They believe in Christ, for one. Is that alone not enough. wtf?


but I'm glad you're here on god behalf so we know which churches he approves and disproves of.

OK, I belong to an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The only doctrine that we follow isn't some churches rules. It's the Bible as the final authority!

Just because you believe in Christ doesn't save you! Devils believe in Jesus too but they're in hell!
 
Without judgement, there is no good and evil; only love.
(actually a very Christ like message).


So you actually believe satan is an actual being who talks to people who in return follow his commands?

Satan and God do not tell me how to think. I am very capable of creating my own good and evil thoughts. As is everyone else.

Without judgment, how did you make a decision to type what u just did.
 
Hitler is burning in hell with the Pope, Mother Theresa, the Muslims, etc. Why is it that people like u believe that God has to be some toothfairy, easter bunny care bear that's love love love all the time. God judges sin by hell the same way a judge in a court sends people to jail. It's so logical!
Really Rick?
Now, there are quotes by some popes saying they dont actually believe in Christ. The authenticity of these quotes are impossible to discern. But I think for the most part, many of the popes are good men who think they are doing a good thing. If there were a heaven, they'd be in it.

Mother Theresa has a bit of a tainted record, but for the overwhelming majority of her story, she was a wonderful woman. If there were a heaven, she'd be in it.

Muslims are not well aquainted with Christ, and are not in an environment that would allow them to pursue and interest in him. They cannot be held accountable for your god not having enough respect for them to spread his good word there.



You started out okay in this thread Rick. But you're now looking like a cocksure fundamentalist as* hole


Oh yeah, what's logical?
 
Really Rick?
Now, there are quotes by some popes saying they dont actually believe in Christ. The authenticity of these quotes are impossible to discern. But I think for the most part, many of the popes are good men who think they are doing a good thing. If there were a heaven, they'd be in it.

Mother Theresa has a bit of a tainted record, but for the overwhelming majority of her story, she was a wonderful woman. If there were a heaven, she'd be in it.

Muslims are not well aquainted with Christ, and are not in an environment that would allow them to pursue and interest in him. They cannot be held accountable for your god not having enough respect for them to spread his good word there.

Just because they were "good men" doesn't exclude them from hell. U like the majority of people in the world, including most christians believe that God let's you into heaven by the good you've done. Or what good deeds you do for one another. If that's the case you Mr. Athiest will go to heaven because you "keep the Golden Rule". You may be a good person that do good things out of the kindness of your heart. The whole good vs. bad thing which isn't Biblical by the way. It nullifies the need for Jesus to die in first place! It's like saying his sacrifice wasn't enough when he said himself that it was! Salvations by works sends people to hell! Why? Because they have read the bible verses that say, salvation is by faith not works, I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by me, etc. Catholics teach that you need to receive sacraments to go to heaven (works). This is not in the Bible so they're teaching another gospel so that means another Jesus. Catholics teach that good Catholics don't go directly to heaven after death. They must first go to purgatory to be purged of their sins. It could take, days, months, years, they'll never know! Different sects teach stuff that contrary to sound doctrine. Biblical Christianity is very very very exclusive not inclusive like people want you to believe. Everyone wants to have Jesus their way (like Burger King), instead of his way, the way it is written in the Bible!

Muslims are "aquainted with Christ" when they teach about Jesus in the Koran.

God is a God of love and wrath too!
 
Eveything these groups teach I can back it up with their own teachings! I can show that they follow a different Jesus and prove why Mormons, Catholics, JW's, Muslims will burn in an neverending, unquenching fire of outer darkness forever!
 
You feel this way because you have people that you know who you probably grew up with that are in the LDS church. My bible clearly states how to search out if a person is a christian or not. Mormons, Catholics, JW's, Calvinists, etc. all fail that test miserably hence their dirty rotten souls will burn in hell and cast into the Lake of Fire! MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.


I believe Catholics are christian. Thought many of their teachings are beginning to get way out there, and they are losing their grip, i believe the general catholic population are as saved as Christians are. You do know christians as we are today came from catholics right? in the 1600's with martin luther and a few other individuals started a movement. Mostly due ot the fact that the priests at that time had become corrupt.

and I dont believe all their souls are "dirty rotten", but they have made their own bed, and will have to sleep in it...


remember Christians aren't judgmental, and we in no way know for 100% sure who God will and wont let into the kingdom. Many people get saved from hos cults and religions (mormon, JW are cults, calvinest is ....wel stupid actually in my opinion). So their souls arent dirty. Its their flesh that rules their world is all, they dont function in the spirit realm, their spirits are dead in a sense...

A mormon today, could be your preacher tomorrow.....with his dirty rotten soul....


I am here to make valid points, but I will also point out issues I have with my side of this debate.... I play fair.
 
Without judgement, there is no good and evil; only love.
(actually a very Christ like message).


So you actually believe satan is an actual being who talks to people who in return follow his commands?

Satan and God do not tell me how to think. I am very capable of creating my own good and evil thoughts. As is everyone else.

Satan and God do not tell you how to think, but influence you. and in your case the influence is quit apparent.

the greatest trick the devil every did was convincing the world he didnt exist....

without judgement....rapists are ok, murderes have not done wrong, and thiefs are upstanding gentlemen. judgement was givin to us to divine a path in our lives, and comprehend the world around us.

judgement is given to us all, but to judge someones fate is not. We may judge a situation, a persons worthiness(in the sense of hiring someone for a job and such), or countless otherthings. But you do not have the right to claim to someones fate for them.

The bible is clear on many things, including the fate of nonbelievers, but ts not a mans place to condemn them to it.
 
I just flat out cannot believe in sin, at least that way religion sees it.
I cant see hitler going to hell.
If we had a loving god, he would sit down with him and say "My dear son, who taught you to be so hatefull?" . He would love him no matter what, and would not rest until he had retaught hitler how to be a kind compassionate human.


A lot of people in prison honestly dont think they should be there, and the rest are haunted with guilt. The later know they did something wrong and feel terrible about it. Nobody acts the way they do just to be an ass hole. Their actions make sense to them. They're not behaving at random. And thus God would understand why we sin and behave the way we do, and would realize that we had a limited understanding, and would forgive us for not knowing any better.
Hell's not real Rick. If God has morals above that of an average or less human being, then there is no hell.

I do not believe in God as its stands. I hope to have happiness beyond this life; but have seen NO proof that would make me count on such circumstances



after your first paragraph.... I can see you have no education on sociology or psychology or theology....and in turn, I must admit I just lost alot of interest in the validity of your posts..
 
I didnt forget about you dsade, I am home on lunch, aint got time to go in depth.

Just making sure you know I am not dodging.

I like ths debate. I am much more productive then the last time we had one.... you at least have to give me that :whip:
 
I really dont give a sh*t who you guys think is in or out of hell or who real Christians are. Its like arguing over what character would win in a pokemon battle. One may have the upper hand, but it all fiction.
This threads not to debate doctorine
 
I didnt forget about you dsade, I am home on lunch, aint got time to go in depth.
Not at all...I won't be able to dedicate much time to this issue for the next bit...with 4 new product releases and a BUNCH of new orders, I quite have my hands full.
 
Not at all...I won't be able to dedicate much time to this issue for the next bit...with 4 new product releases and a BUNCH of new orders, I quite have my hands full.


whats all being released? I always liked the havoc ida, but its not that time in my lifting career to use such products.
 
You guys are giving me an ab workout with the lulz :) thanks


you remind me of the guy in movies that hassles everyone, then accidentally tosses his cig into a propane storage locker while trying to look cool...

I too have achieved a few laughs here....
 
Zero and Rick, do as you please, I'm not your boss.
But I think your involvment in this thread should be directed towards leading us TO the bible, not Through it.


I'd like to attend a service at this Human Flight School/Medical Center, church of yours zero :D
 
Zero and Rick, do as you please, I'm not your boss.
But I think your involvment in this thread should be directed towards leading us TO the bible, not Through it.


I'd like to attend a service at this Human Flight School/Medical Center, church of yours zero :D


New Hope Assemblies of God, Groveport, Ohio 43125 Mainstreet. across from a private car lot. Cant miss it.
 
whats all being released? I always liked the havoc ida, but its not that time in my lifting career to use such products.
Banish Full retail, Java Lustre hairloss shampoo, a Bliss Shot improvement (probably called "STRANGE"), Virile Mane hairloss treatment, BoBu Body Butter, and Renegade Pheromone soap.

Just for starters. :)
 
I just flat out cannot believe in sin, at least that way religion sees it.
I cant see hitler going to hell.
If we had a loving god, he would sit down with him and say "My dear son, who taught you to be so hatefull?" . He would love him no matter what, and would not rest until he had retaught hitler how to be a kind compassionate human.


A lot of people in prison honestly dont think they should be there, and the rest are haunted with guilt. The later know they did something wrong and feel terrible about it. Nobody acts the way they do just to be an ass hole. Their actions make sense to them. They're not behaving at random. And thus God would understand why we sin and behave the way we do, and would realize that we had a limited understanding, and would forgive us for not knowing any better.
Hell's not real Rick. If God has morals above that of an average or less human being, then there is no hell.

I do not believe in God as its stands. I hope to have happiness beyond this life; but have seen NO proof that would make me count on such circumstances
The haunting of guilt is the first step to figuring out what we did they did was wrong, there is a way to escape that guilt.

There is no doubt what we as humans see as right and wrong is going to depict what we veiw as sin. If there is any doubt we can alaways use the Word, in it's written form and when it's written on your heart. If somebody told me getting wasted this weekend wasn't a sin, I'd have to tell him it is for me, due to to the fact I'm not the same man and it intefers with how I talk to the Lord. It also make me smoke and is just a crutch I use to escape the reality of the raw world we live in. I don't want to escape it anymore, I'm in it, and there is good things to share about it.

You asked about other religions, like mormons.
We know they changed what gospel was preached when it was first written, they added in elements we don;t need to have, like works.

I would never tell them they arent Christian, but I'd also add why do they think I NEED to change to their religion if they're the same, and point out that some of the things they've changed isn't consistent with the Word.

Why did they not allow non-mormons into their sermons a while ago, why do woman have to wear underware with symbols on them for protection, and who is the guy that added a new book to the bible? In a nutshell it's not my concern, if I'm going to be around a mormon and he tells me Christ is the key to a life with God, who am I to judge his heart, just don't add to the scripture Jesus and Paul preached.

You asked where is the duh that Christians have to give athiests about why there is a God? I'd like to answer that but you'ce got to tell me why you are using the bad a!! word of a professor to influence the life you have right now.

What did he tell you that made Jesus not a real person? I had a professor tell me the existence of evil makes God not exist, and I had to believe him cause he was my professor. Ya right.

The life of Jesus has been documented in so many different places, I have to do some serious research in to this stuff. And of coure I'll try to find flaws in it :) . Hey I'll become an expert in egytian writing and history to find out if there is any merit to what you wrote about Horus.
 
When is the last time an atheist army won a war? When is the last time an atheist became a war hero?

"There are no atheists in foxholes."
A famous quote by some colonel I believe

Atheists exist as a minority, due to the fact that they go against human nature and programming. Every atheist I have met always has the same presence about them, even before I ask about religious beliefs you can already feel a void.

(this is my understanding about the bible and school)Ever since they removed God and the bible as a general context in school some 60 years ago, America has went to hell. Simply put. As you force God out, the country shall dry up.

There used to be prayer in school. When JFK was assassinated the entire nation prayed. When the space shuttle blew, the nation prayed. Back in the days where you kids could walk the streets in safety....as God has been pushed out....only satan is left. Hence why America is going to die as a nation.
 
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