Why is Superdrol more effective than Msten even though Msten has a higher anabolic ratio?

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I recently saw first hand how oil can unexpectedly dissolve something. My old lady is not keeping up with my sex drive right now, so I got one of those rubber flash light devices to supplement my needs. I’ve been using it with coconut oil. The jar of coconut oil was almost gone so I thought it would be a good idea to leave a plastic spoon in the jar to easily scoop some out. Within a few days, I was horrified to see that the plastic spoon was dissolving in the coconut oil and breaking apart into small sharp pieces. The inside of the rubber device is also disintegrating from the coconut oil! I had to throw them out to avoid a horrible and unexplainable injury!
hmmm coconut oil in a fleshlight? Isn’t that a nightmare to clean? I just use a specialist water based lube bro, cheap and does the job....
 
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When I first started , I WAS using fresh syringes every single time , but after the first 2 months I thought it was such a waste , and every single guy I talked to at my gym that uses ( that I know of ) said they reuse syringes and get like 10 uses out of one before throwing it away. Even my very good friend that sells steroids to almost everyone at my gym ( I very rarely buy from him ), said he resuses them.
Like the examples you just gave as well as the ones mentioned by others in here, it will usually be alright...until it isn’t. But what people get away with most of the time doesn’t change best practice rules that keep you out of trouble.

And I NEVER eat McDonald's and very rarely have fast food. Pizza is my only cheat meal. Probably why I look better than most at my 2 gyms.
Well, Ian Valliere and most of the other Mr. O competitors occasionally do, and they’re better looking than you, so I think we can safely assume that’s not a relevant factor to this conversation.

I don’t care if you want to forever rotate and abuse orals. It’s your future (or lack thereof). I like orals too. But I do take multiple months in a row off of them. And there is something major to be said for periodizing your drug use to achieve the best effects.

Say you want to run a 16-week blast. You would want to start with the weakest compounds at the lowest doses first and continually rotate to stronger ones and/or increase doses as the training blocks go on. And this being after a true cruise period of minimum 8 weeks, ideally longer.

If you aren’t taking vitamin K2 at 180mcg to help control arterial plaque depositing & calcification from the orals, and TUDCA at like 500mg+ and NAC at 1g+ for liver, I would get on those. For the price vs serving and ingredients, Jarrow K-Right is the best K2+D3 supplement I have found, Swanson the cheapest capped NAC, and TUDCA you will have to hunt around. It really benefits from bioperine being added so Morphogen’s is a good one-stop product or you can get one on Amazon and come caps of bioperine to add with it. These are year round supps.

Also, get a blood pressure monitor with extra large cuff on Amazon, and take Ayush Herbs Carditone or Olympus Labs Kingshield if blood pressure is elevated significantly on certain compounds. Many orals will do this, and when bp is high it is permanently destroying your kidney function. Damaged kidneys from elevated bp is the number one reason guys have to get out of the game and stop taking gear. Besides cardiac events from atherosclerosis of course.
 
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Like the examples you just gave as well as the ones mentioned by others in here, it will usually be alright...until it isn’t. But what people get away with most of the time doesn’t change best practice rules that keep you out of trouble.



Well, Ian Valliere and most of the other Mr. O competitors occasionally do, and they’re better looking than you, so I think we can safely assume that’s not a relevant factor to this conversation.

I don’t care if you want to forever rotate and abuse orals. It’s your future (or lack thereof). I like orals too. But I do take multiple months in a row off of them. And there is something major to be said for periodizing your drug use to achieve the best effects.

Say you want to run a 16-week blast. You would want to start with the weakest compounds at the lowest doses first and continually rotate to stronger ones and/or increase doses as the training blocks go on. And this being after a true cruise period of minimum 8 weeks, ideally longer.

If you aren’t taking vitamin K2 at 180mcg to help control arterial plaque depositing & calcification from the orals, and TUDCA at like 500mg+ and NAC at 1g+ for liver, I would get on those. For the price vs serving and ingredients, Jarrow K-Right is the best K2+D3 supplement I have found, Swanson the cheapest capped NAC, and TUDCA you will have to hunt around. It really benefits from bioperine being added so Morphogen’s is a good one-stop product or you can get one on Amazon and come caps of bioperine to add with it. These are year round supps.

Also, get a blood pressure monitor with extra large cuff on Amazon, and take Ayush Herbs Carditone or Olympus Labs Kingshield if blood pressure is elevated significantly on certain compounds. Many orals will do this, and when bp is high it is permanently destroying your kidney function. Damaged kidneys from elevated bp is the number one reason guys have to get out of the game and stop taking gear. Besides cardiac events from atherosclerosis of course.
nice post. I mean it kinda feels like your trying to teach Hannibal Lector why eating people is bad but still, great post 🤣
 
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I recently saw first hand how oil can unexpectedly dissolve something. My old lady is not keeping up with my sex drive right now, so I got one of those rubber flash light devices to supplement my needs. I’ve been using it with coconut oil. The jar of coconut oil was almost gone so I thought it would be a good idea to leave a plastic spoon in the jar to easily scoop some out. Within a few days, I was horrified to see that the plastic spoon was dissolving in the coconut oil and breaking apart into small sharp pieces. The inside of the rubber device is also disintegrating from the coconut oil! I had to throw them out to avoid a horrible and unexplainable injury!
Wow appreciate the shares bruh i would of just said coconut oil dissolved a plastic spoon though . Glad you threw it out, thats not something you want go to A&E with
 
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nice post. I mean it kinda feels like your trying to teach Hannibal Lector why eating people is bad but still, great post 🤣
I can tell he’s gonna run like this for a while. My goal is to give him the tools to try to keep from totally destroying his health over the time period it takes him to realize his own mortality. And that nobody at the top level is focusing on orals over oils.

Like giving someone a tourniquet that you know is going to shoot themselves in the foot, so they have time to make it to the hospital before bleeding out.
 
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Heroin addicts reuse the same needles over and over again and a lot of them never get infections or abscesses.
Wrong.

Please don’t talk about **** you clearly have no idea about, it’s not a good look. I’m just going to say it and not sugar coat it. You wanna destroy yourself little by little, cool go do it. Don’t come on here comparing steroid use to a heroin addict trying to get well. If that’s how you view your training/lifestyle please seek treatment just as the heroin addict reusing needles would. If he doesn’t go that route then he will die sooner than later, just as you will. Those are your options.
 
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Ok. Now you’ve gone too far. 😂 I try not to attack people on here personally but..... you’re using what heroin addicts do in order to prove your point about reusing needles and syringes? You’re either a troll or an idiot.
 
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Ok ..................example ......a heroin addict gets some stuff from a different dealer and they cut with some very different than what they are used to using. The user gets an infection and abscess. According to you , it's solely because they reuse needles and can't possibly be from something different or very bad in the heroin.
Ok...... you’re too smart for everyone and just want everyone to validate your bullshit. Sound about right? Kinda like when you were using. Except now you’ve replaced one substance for another. You can fight me, call me retarded, whatever but when you lay your head on your pillow tonight you know this is now a problem just like drugs were. You also seem to be just as reckless and are definitely not acting “clean” by any stretch of the imagination.

Good luck. Goodnight. I’m done with you.
 
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You’re going to do what you want of course, and if you are no longer using the injectable winny and continually using orals that’s great for both the infection and longterm heart health things we talked about.

I don’t want you to feel attacked - I just want to encourage you one last time to not reuse any syringes. It sucks you needed that surgery with the winny and I would hate for that to ever happen again. Muscles getting torn is part of the game sometimes, but getting cut up (and paying a medical bill for it) over a 10 cent barrel is something we should all try our best to avoid.
 

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I recently saw first hand how oil can unexpectedly dissolve something. My old lady is not keeping up with my sex drive right now, so I got one of those rubber flash light devices to supplement my needs. I’ve been using it with coconut oil. The jar of coconut oil was almost gone so I thought it would be a good idea to leave a plastic spoon in the jar to easily scoop some out. Within a few days, I was horrified to see that the plastic spoon was dissolving in the coconut oil and breaking apart into small sharp pieces. The inside of the rubber device is also disintegrating from the coconut oil! I had to throw them out to avoid a horrible and unexplainable injury!
This is way too much info and I wish I never read this...
 
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I know, it got me in the feels too when he had to throw that poor melted spoon out...
And that poor fleshlight, just used up and tossed in the trash #allfleshlightsmatter #smashthepatriarchy
 
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Question, how come superdrol is stronger then msten even tho msten has a higher anabolic ratio?
 
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MY use is irresponsible , but all you guys were cheering on Hairy Grandpa on his INSANE cycles like a year ago ??? Lol

Sorry but this really needs to repeated. You guys need to get a grip. His cycles were way worse than my first run was. He hasn't posted in a year , I looked him up . He probably IS dead.
aside from the massive amount of disrespect by suggesting that a guy, who many of us liked and who had a massive health scare last year, is dead this is his last stated cycle (which must be the one you are referring to as it’s the last one he posted) - you need to look up the definition of insane and give your head a wobble. Trying to tell us that that’s worse than what you’ve posted? Really?



Jan 8, 2019
To accomplish my goal I have chosen to use:

*400mg/w Test-E
*250mg/w NPP
*75mg/d Proviron
*0.5mg adex e3d-e4d
*0.25mg caber e3d
Starting in a few days.

I know, doesn't sound like much, not even ideal for a cut -but I already have it in the fridge.
Better choice would have been Test,Var, Primo, Clen -but don't have it at hand.

Diet will be: intermittent fasting, one meal x day after workout, feeding window 3 hours, low carb (not keto) with carb backloading after training days.
Training: 3-4 days x week full body, focus on volume.
Cardio of choice: Heavy bag
 
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Man I missed all of this I just re-read it all... I’m speechless. I knew swolemax was a nutjob from previous years but this on another level... litterally speechless.
 
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If you spent half the time researching what you were doing, that you do writing these posts, you might be able to go a week without an infection
 
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I obviously have a much better memory than you guys do . Lol
And I was certainly NOT wishing him death , you morons. And he probably had that health scare because of the INSANE cycles he was doing that you guys were all cheering him on about. Not get this , if I am saying they were insane , they really must have been,
He did absolutely 0 cycles that was devastating or that was considered too heavy you moron stop talking about him. The guy never did anything remotely close to intense cycles. Man it’s sickening to here you talk. what’s funny is you’re saying he had this because of cycles he’s done yet you’re here saying and I’ll quote you : "3 methylated orals all at once ain’t life threatening you guys are all pussies" you’re going to end up death within 10-15 years if you’re going that route. It’s crazy to see you repeating everybody is wrong and you’re the only one right. 20 people are here saying you’re wrong but obviously you, the nutjob alone is right... the Moron that says he’s right while everybody is wrong is always the delusional one that’s completely crazy. Honestly I usually go off on people like you but I pity you so I’ll leave it at that.
 
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Just as you guys chose to tally sideragard and ignore every undeniable point I made and just choose to focus on the negative.
So the arguments so far that I’ve noted are : -My gym bro’s and the guy that sells steroids at my gym do it -heroin addicts inject with the same materials multiple times and they are fine most of the time. -Using a guy that had a heart attack and almost died to validate some kind of argument (which is false btw because he never did insane cycles) (pretty damn lame by you). -I had 3 infections in 6 months but it wasn’t my fault it can happen to anyone.
 
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MY use is irresponsible , but all you guys were cheering on Hairy Grandpa on his INSANE cycles like a year ago ??? Lol

Sorry but this really needs to repeated. You guys need to get a grip. His cycles were way worse than my first run was. He hasn't posted in a year , I looked him up . He probably IS dead.
aside from the massive amount of disrespect by suggesting that a guy, who many of us liked and who had a massive health scare last year, is dead this is his last stated cycle (which must be the one you are referring to as it’s the last one he posted) - you need to look up the definition of insane and give your head a wobble. Trying to tell us that that’s worse than what you’ve posted? Really?



Jan 8, 2019
To accomplish my goal I have chosen to use:

*400mg/w Test-E
*250mg/w NPP
*75mg/d Proviron
*0.5mg adex e3d-e4d
*0.25mg caber e3d
Starting in a few days.

I know, doesn't sound like much, not even ideal for a cut -but I already have it in the fridge.
Better choice would have been Test,Var, Primo, Clen -but don't have it at hand.

Diet will be: intermittent fasting, one meal x day after workout, feeding window 3 hours, low carb (not keto) with carb backloading after training days.
Training: 3-4 days x week full body, focus on volume.
Cardio of choice: Heavy bag
His crazy cycles were probably 2 years ago then . I certainly was NOT referring to his LAST cycle.
Your aware I posted his cycle that was dated Jan 2019 right?

your aware it’s currently Jan 2021 right?

them infections causing you some neurological challenges my friend.....jan 2019 is 2 years ago.
 
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Learn how to read. YES he most certainly DID do insane cycles. Go back and read bitch
Don’t you see what’s wrong with you? Why did he MOST CERTAINLY did insane cycles? Because he had a heart attack? You’re going to really asssume such a stupid thing?
 
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I stated his cycles were insane well before even knowing he had health problems . See.......... you just proved my point , your reading skills and reading comprehension sucks. Lol
Wow you’re a lost cause.
 
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Yet again moron , that is NOT the cycle I am referring to . Learn how to read and work on your reading comprehension.
lol, your the one you said his cycle from 2 years ago, I literally post the cycle from 2 years ago and I’m the moron, yeah ok bruh.

rather than banging on like a little boy why don’t you just post up the cycle you’re referring to.......(or is that too much common sense for you?)
 
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If anyone would like to continue this conversation, I suggest starting a new thread, since this is JoePaul39's thread.

Pretty sure this conversation is about to get smacked down anyway.
 
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If anyone would like to continue this conversation, I suggest starting a new thread, since this is JoePaul39's thread.

Pretty sure this conversation is about to get smacked down anyway.
I’m all set. Dude has been having a conversation with himself for the last page. Sorry @JoePaul39 that your thread turned into such a train wreck
 

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And that poor fleshlight, just used up and tossed in the trash #allfleshlightsmatter #smashthepatriarchy
The spoon was more like frozen and shattered into small sharp pieces. If it just melted I might have been ignorant enough to try and reuse it. But I recognize that I have made some mistakes in the past. I was cheap and thought that I could get by without the ancillary water based lube. I was young and reckless, I risked permanent injury and I destroyed the life of that promising young flesh light. I pledge to be a better man going forward.

But yeah, classic derailment from @JoePaul ‘s original question.
 
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Question, how come superdrol is stronger then msten even tho msten has a higher anabolic ratio?
LOL.

Soooo ..... Anyway .....

@Smont , were you asking that question in earnestness, or just sight-seeing on the former crap-show?

:)
 
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The spoon was more like frozen and shattered into small sharp pieces. If it just melted I might have been ignorant enough to try and reuse it. But I recognize that I have made some mistakes in the past. I was cheap and thought that I could get by without the ancillary water based lube. I was young and reckless, I risked permanent injury and I destroyed the life of that promising young flesh light. I pledge to be a better man going forward.

But yeah, classic derailment from @JoePaul ‘s original question.
I feel like we've all learned something from this thread, treat our sex toys with respect, don't be like swolemax. And we're all better men for it, damn that Gillette advert is really making sense to me now
 
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I’m late to the show as always. I’ve tried superdrol twice from 2 different sources.
First time it sucked and I got barely anything from it. Determined source was bunk.

Second time was from what I consider a “reputable source” and...... still sucked didn’t do much for me.

so I’ve either gotten bunk twice, or it does nothing for me. Feel free to send me some confirmed non bunk superdrol and I’ll give it to my rats and report back the findings 😂
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