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Should BLR release a new SERM?

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It sure is watery. What I did is i pumped it bet my traps and delts so it won't slide down that quick and i quickly rubbed my wrist and spread it on my shoulders, traps and delts.
 
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ELROCK said:
I know you get bloods done regularly like I do. How were your e2 numbers while running the new AI if you dont mind me asking?
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I only know my pre number as I had just got labs the week before getting the AI. My intentions are always good to check my blood work and provide info when I can, but since I was only testing one bottle, I won't have post #s since I won't be back at the doc for a couple months.

All I can say is that everything was fine on the recommended dose and then I experimented and doubled up and woke up 2 days later feeling like I was 80 and creaky. Really dry, but not comfortable. So, it is powerful, but you need to find a sweet spot...like maybe just sticking with the recommended dose. :)
 
halfhuman said:
It sure is watery. What I did is i pumped it bet my traps and delts so it won't slide down that quick and i quickly rubbed my wrist and spread it on my shoulders, traps and delts.
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this is what I did when I ran XI-kt. The dent from my collar bone was my little "basin"
 
Well who won. The anticipation is killing me.
 
brundel said:
I sent out the first 2 bottles yesterday. Its a fluid unlike FOrmeron. Be aware because it will likely be a pain in the ass to get out of clothes if you spill on it.
You can ask Kasaj or Halfhuman how they have been applying.
I would lean back a bit and stick out chest. Slowly squirt on chest and rub in with wrist.

2 pumps twice a day please until gone.

Check in here and let us know whats happening ;)
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Will do boss. I use vinyl gloves instead of wrists. Is that okay?
 
Random number generator produced a 7 so....jgntyce wins.

Shoot me your mailing address.
Youll run 2 x 2 pumps daily till its gone and like the others just chime in here and let everyone know whats happening.
 
Is dry joints really a sign of lowered estrogen? I remember reading a thread when erase first came out and people were complaining of dry and sore joints Patrick Arnold it doesn't mean it's from low estrogen. Especially if you apply this and wake up later that night with dry joints, does your estro really drop that fast and cause that symptom? And if so and we don't think arimistane lowers estro but causes dry joints isn't it strange that this AI DOES lower estro but has the same effect? Just curious.
 
kisaj said:
I only know my pre number as I had just got labs the week before getting the AI. My intentions are always good to check my blood work and provide info when I can, but since I was only testing one bottle, I won't have post #s since I won't be back at the doc for a couple months.

All I can say is that everything was fine on the recommended dose and then I experimented and doubled up and woke up 2 days later feeling like I was 80 and creaky. Really dry, but not comfortable. So, it is powerful, but you need to find a sweet spot...like maybe just sticking with the recommended dose. :)
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Thanks for the reply, I am looking forward to giving it a go in the future. Im fully stocked with Formeron and since I only need a very little of that suff it will last me a long while.
 
brundel said:
Random number generator produced a 7 so....jgntyce wins. Shoot me your mailing address. Youll run 2 x 2 pumps daily till its gone and like the others just chime in here and let everyone know whats happening.
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sweeeet! thanks! will PM you shortly.
 
muscle inc. said:
Is dry joints really a sign of lowered estrogen? I remember reading a thread when erase first came out and people were complaining of dry and sore joints Patrick Arnold it doesn't mean it's from low estrogen. Especially if you apply this and wake up later that night with dry joints, does your estro really drop that fast and cause that symptom? And if so and we don't think arimistane lowers estro but causes dry joints isn't it strange that this AI DOES lower estro but has the same effect? Just curious.
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I would have brought this up earlier, but since I KNOW brundel would not even be bothering with it if it didnt actually lower estrogen levels. So for me it isnt about does it work or not, but more of how strong of an AI is it.
 
I have got to have the worst luck with this kinda thing lol.
 
kisaj said:
I only know my pre number as I had just got labs the week before getting the AI. My intentions are always good to check my blood work and provide info when I can, but since I was only testing one bottle, I won't have post #s since I won't be back at the doc for a couple months.

All I can say is that everything was fine on the recommended dose and then I experimented and doubled up and woke up 2 days later feeling like I was 80 and creaky. Really dry, but not comfortable. So, it is powerful, but you need to find a sweet spot...like maybe just sticking with the recommended dose. :)
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You're talking about the TD AI right? I thought the oral AI was the "strong" one and the TD AI a mild one is that correct?
 
yelis300 said:
You're talking about the TD AI right? I thought the oral AI was the "strong" one and the TD AI a mild one is that correct?
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Honestly i expected this to be pretty mild but perhaps its just mild orally. Its terrible orally. Ive also NEVER seen it used anywhere near this dose. For 100% certain this is an ai. Its not even debatable.
Youll see why when we release. I thought we would get slight= less than 50% ai and id add some fat burners to make it a solid fat burning /lean gains product. Turns out...the ai is fn strong. In this specific case it is the ai causing the joint pain because its the only thing they are taking. I dont know its from low estro exactly though. Might be from dehydrated joints or something. Im unsure.
We are testing for %of inhibition. So before release ill know one way or another how strong it is exactly.
I know theses things for certain.
It is an ai. 100% sure.
Its probably going to at least as strong as formestane and most likely quite a bit stronger.
The additional ingredients are awesome as well. They are not fluff ingredients. You could use each one solo at the doses used and they would give you results. The 4 ingredients combined will be wicked strong.
This will be a solid formeron replacement.

The oral will begin trials next week ish.
Ill keep everyone posted.
 
ELROCK said:
I would have brought this up earlier, but since I KNOW brundel would not even be bothering with it if it didnt actually lower estrogen levels. So for me it isnt about does it work or not, but more of how strong of an AI is it.
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I'm not doubting it's an AI and can't wait for this to come out. Just wondering why everyone thinks low estro equals 'dry' joints and if there's really a correlation between the two or if it's caused by something else.
 
muscle inc. said:
I'm not doubting it's an AI and can't wait for this to come out. Just wondering why everyone thinks low estro equals 'dry' joints and if there's really a correlation between the two or if it's caused by something else.
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I know everyone associates ai and low estro and joint pain.
I remember years ago i took ax tren extreme. It had a mix of prohormones in it one of which was 6oxo. My fn joints hurt so bad i couldnt train. Had to discontinue. I have prescription adex and aromasin and neither cause me joint pain.
So...i dont think its low estro exactly that causes it.
Ive never seen research to support low e and joint pain.

Might be inflammation
Dehydration from the diuretic properties of ais.
Might be a prostiglandin thing.
Who knows.

It does sure seem like some ais cause joint pain. Formeron did it for many users. Some even at 1 pump which is insanely low @75mg.

Just an fyi for you guys testing....
So far 100% of testers have complained of joint pain. Sorry lol.

Please just run the required dose. If joint pain shows up fine let me know and let us know here and well half the dose. it may not happen.
In this case its extremely important you run the 4 pumps so we can establish a proper dose.

Sorry for any typos. On phone.
 
madripper32 said:
I have got to have the worst luck with this kinda thing lol.
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Sorry brother. We have a ton of new products coming out in the next couple months and we will be running lots of tests. Im sure you can get in on something.
 
brundel said:
I know everyone associates ai and low estro and joint pain.
I remember years ago i took ax tren extreme. It had a mix of prohormones in it one of which was 6oxo. My fn joints hurt so bad i couldnt train. Had to discontinue. I have prescription adex and aromasin and neither cause me joint pain.
So...i dont think its low estro exactly that causes it.
Ive never seen research to support low e and joint pain.

Might be inflammation
Dehydration from the diuretic properties of ais.
Might be a prostiglandin thing.
Who knows.

It does sure seem like some ais cause joint pain. Formeron did it for many users. Some even at 1 pump which is insanely low @75mg.

Just an fyi for you guys testing....
So far 100% of testers have complained of joint pain. Sorry lol.

Please just run the required dose. If joint pain shows up fine let me know and let us know here and well half the dose. it may not happen.
In this case its extremely important you run the 4 pumps so we can establish a proper dose.

Sorry for any typos. On phone.
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Makes walking after leg day even more pleasant
 
brundel said:
Sorry brother. We have a ton of new products coming out in the next couple months and we will be running lots of tests. Im sure you can get in on something.
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I'll be sure to keep my eyes pealed.
 
One user of formeron said his joints began hurting at 2 pumps/day so he got some anti-inflammatory and the joint pain went away. Then he upped his dosage to 5-6 pumps/day and still felt fine with no joint issues. Perhaps something in the carrier itself is causing inflammation?
 
yelis300 said:
One user of formeron said his joints began hurting at 2 pumps/day so he got some anti-inflammatory and the joint pain went away. Then he upped his dosage to 5-6 pumps/day and still felt fine with no joint issues. Perhaps something in the carrier itself is causing inflammation?
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I dont think so. Here is why....
Oral formestane also causes joint pain.
Oral 6oxo caused me joint pain.
ATD caused joint pain for some.
Adex and letro and aromasin cause joint pain in some.

So it IS in come way related to the AI. The exact mechanism I cant say for certain. Maybe it IS low estrogen.
Interesting topic actually.

Can anyone find any studies regarding joint pain and aromatase inhibitors or low estrogen and joint pain?
 
This is the most current comprehensive review I have read on the topic. *** I will post it separately to have my post count reach 20 and be capable.

Estrogen regulation of inflammatory cytokines seems the most plausible theory in terms of pathogenesis of aromatase inhibitor mediated arthralgia- especially so considering considering the incidence is not sex discriminate- something this article does not address.
 
Piston Honda said:
And Brundel's near-death experience taking what was labeled Clomid but was actually Clen at Clomid dosage isn't enough to sway you to consider that maybe he has put a lot of time and effort to make a product he himself would use?
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Not funny but funny. Hmmm.... I would of thought it was a mis label, an 1ml =100mcg instead of 50mg.
Either way, it'd suck.
Curious to hear more about this experience
 
I remember thinking a long time ago that ellagic acid had a lot of promise. Awesome to see it being utilized.

I def want to check this out for on cycle control now, and recovery later. I may even get bloods done as I'm hella curious.
But, this may not have a huge effect on blood work either. Remember guys, SERMs displace estrogen from certain receptors, not eradicate it from the body. That is for your AI..

I seriously lol'd when I saw that some people think research chems are more reliable. Unbelievable. Anybody that has been in the game a while knows they are absolutely not. Seriously kids, rc's are like the most UNreliable out of anything out there. No way I'd touch any of them for recovery or estro management.

Apparently ellagic acid has some other benefits though.. Invalid Link Removed
 
Im with you on this. Ellagic was something I had been looking at for many years but the bioavailability was terrible.
There are studies, with ellagic acid cyclodextrin complex showing exceptional improvements in bioavailability.
When we started testing it the ellagic cyclodextrin complex really shined.
E cottonii looks promising and is cheap so we added it as well. It a solid combo.

And yes...I had a long drawn out response regarding the RC issue but there is no point.
If someone posts that they think RCs are super reliable they either have no idea what they are talking about or have reason to intentionally mislead.
Either way its nice to have other options.
 
brundel said:
How long have you had gyno?
What stage is it? Size? How does it feel? Solid mass?
How did you get it? Puberty or cycling?
Whats your present bodyfat %. Nipple puffiness doesnt always mean gyno. If there is no mass its probably not gyno.
If it is gyno and relatively new we can dominate it.
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100 percent gyno their are masses behind both nipples and they are sensitive. around 9-11% body fat i have visible abs when flexed. came off ostarine and believe that this is the culprit
 
The only RC site I trust are the one(s) that provide CoA and testing data to confirm what's in the product. Outside of that, accurate dosing is another concern.

Cannot wait to learn more about rebirth for its uses off/on cycle.
 
rowz4broz said:
100 percent gyno their are masses behind both nipples and they are sensitive. around 9-11% body fat i have visible abs when flexed. came off ostarine and believe that this is the culprit
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I would run rebirth and an ai. The ellagic cyclodextrin complex and e cottonii will acutely address the issue and the ai will help prevent it from returning.
If you buy the rebirth ill set you up with an ai.
Either our transdermal or the new oral depending on whats available.
I worked all day on a new transdermal carrier. Formeron had an amazing one but im improving it. Absorption should be exceptional.

You interested?
 
Volvo140G said:
The only RC site I trust are the one(s) that provide CoA and testing data to confirm what's in the product. Outside of that, accurate dosing is another concern.

Cannot wait to learn more about rebirth for its uses off/on cycle.
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The only issue with this is that these days anyone can photoshop a coa. So...its basically useless.
dl any coa
Erase the old info
Type in new info.
Viola...coa for anything you want.
 
So I'm about two weeks into a halo cycle at 75 mg. I'm having itching/burning sensation in my nips. Have been using 100 mg formestane a day to control it, seems to do the job. I also have clomid, Nolva, and exemestane on hand..... would this be a great time to try Rebirth?
 
Volvo140G said:
So I'm about two weeks into a halo cycle at 75 mg. I'm having itching/burning sensation in my nips. Have been using 100 mg formestane a day to control it, seems to do the job. I also have clomid, Nolva, and exemestane on hand..... would this be a great time to try Rebirth?
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Yes. Personally I would bump the Formestane to 200mg and add 2 caps per day Rebirth. Itll subside. 1 cap twice per day.
Halodrol is one of the worst gyno offenders I know of. Worst cases I have ever seen...halodrol. THis is why I recommend you hit it hard.
Maybe even switch to exem and Rebirth. Formestane is a relatively light AI. Exem is stronger. You could do 12.5 mg per day and 2 caps of Rebirth.
Either way get on this fast bro. Once it starts its hard to battle. Prevention > treatment.
 
Thanks for the advice, will do.... I'll have exemstane on hand Monday and have dropped halo dose in the meantime.
 
booneman77 said:
lucky. I'm jealous, I had hoped mine would too. Looks like I'll start tomorrow
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jgntyce said:
nice brother! I'm excited to get mine sometime next week. let us know how it goes!
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Will update on the things I notice on a daily basis. Would have started dosing today but I didnt check the mail yesterday so i just discovered it about 30 mins ago. Ill start dosing tomorrow as I said before. 2 pumps after morning shower and 2 pumps before bed.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Will update on the things I notice on a daily basis. Would have started dosing today but I didnt check the mail yesterday so i just discovered it about 30 mins ago. Ill start dosing tomorrow as I said before. 2 pumps after morning shower and 2 pumps before bed.
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nice! what part of the body will you be placing the AI?
 
mechka_grizli said:
Will update on the things I notice on a daily basis. Would have started dosing today but I didnt check the mail yesterday so i just discovered it about 30 mins ago. Ill start dosing tomorrow as I said before. 2 pumps after morning shower and 2 pumps before bed.
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jgntyce said:
nice! what part of the body will you be placing the AI?
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Can't wait to see both of your updates on AI.
 
mechka_grizli said:
By the way, the AI arrived yesterday. Will start dosing in the AM
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Epic. The gel has set more over time and is less watery in the bottle i have here so its not as bad as I expected. Do 2 pumps am 2 pm.
Let us know how things are going.
There are usually signs you are using an ai if its good.
 
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